How Do You Feel Going Into 2025?

Let's see. We had stacked teams these past few years and Kyle still couldn't get out of his own way.

We have less talent than those teams, and Stubborn Kyle is still Stubborn Kyle.

We got a glimpse last year of what this team can look like with less talent. Brock and other players tried to do too much, and made mistakes they haven't made before. We/Brock struggled when we fell behind.

Common sense says expect to see the late 2024 9ers.

BUT Saleh is here.... if he can get the defense to play lights out... cause turnovers and shorten fields for our offense. And Kyle plays conservative on offense (through CMC)... then we have a chance to beat most teams... but probably not in the Playoffs vs those teams if we got in a shoot out.

Another year where I hope we finally use the speed we have on the team.. finally speed at the safety position again...and speed at WR. But knowning Kyle... nope. Same o'l s**t with Boy Genius.

If the players play to their ability and don't take time off, Kyle cannot control the effort or lack thereof.

10-7 wildcard. Just don't see them being better than the Rams

Originally posted by ninersrule4:
10-7 wildcard. Just don't see them being better than the Rams

As bad as the team was last year, if we don't drop 2 passes we likely sweep them and potentially win the division or at minimum tie with them for the same record.

That's not even bringing up the key injuries we had, terrible special teams play we had, bad coaching on defense/special teams.

Yes the Rams DL looks excellent after their overhaul and on paper Kupp for Adams looks like an upgrade for them. However outside of that have they really improved on last season where you can say they're that much better if both teams are healthy?

I've seen lots of people point to our vets and somehow automatically claim they'll be injured again...what about Matt Stafford? Guy isn't even practicing right now cuz of a back issue which they're trying to paint as simple maintenance/precaution. How many hits will he take if he plays? Davante Adams would be the 4th oldest player on our offense if he was here after Trent, Juice and Brendel. Nobody talks about him falling off or getting injured...why?

It's certainly too early to know what we have in our young players but if we take injuries(which cannot be projected) out of it then we can certainly be better than the Rams, especially with the schedule we have.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by ninersrule4:
10-7 wildcard. Just don't see them being better than the Rams

As bad as the team was last year, if we don't drop 2 passes we likely sweep them and potentially win the division or at minimum tie with them for the same record.

That's not even bringing up the key injuries we had, terrible special teams play we had, bad coaching on defense/special teams.

Yes the Rams DL looks excellent after their overhaul and on paper Kupp for Adams looks like an upgrade for them. However outside of that have they really improved on last season where you can say they're that much better if both teams are healthy?

I've seen lots of people point to our vets and somehow automatically claim they'll be injured again...what about Matt Stafford? Guy isn't even practicing right now cuz of a back issue which they're trying to paint as simple maintenance/precaution. How many hits will he take if he plays? Davante Adams would be the 4th oldest player on our offense if he was here after Trent, Juice and Brendel. Nobody talks about him falling off or getting injured...why?

It's certainly too early to know what we have in our young players but if we take injuries(which cannot be projected) out of it then we can certainly be better than the Rams, especially with the schedule we have.

I think schedule strength projections are not as big of a difference maker than many seem to think.
Rams get Eagles, Lions, and Ravens
49ers get Giants, Bears, and Browns
The rest of the schedule is the same.

Much like we don't know what injuries will hit the 49ers, every year we see "bad" teams jump way up and we see "good" teams fall off a cliff.
I could see both the 49ers and Rams going 2-1 in those games.

Realistically if the kids show up on defense and CMC, Kittle, Trent, and Purdy stay relatively healthy the 49ers having a better record than the Rams is reasonable.

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by ninersrule4:
10-7 wildcard. Just don't see them being better than the Rams

As bad as the team was last year, if we don't drop 2 passes we likely sweep them and potentially win the division or at minimum tie with them for the same record.

That's not even bringing up the key injuries we had, terrible special teams play we had, bad coaching on defense/special teams.

Yes the Rams DL looks excellent after their overhaul and on paper Kupp for Adams looks like an upgrade for them. However outside of that have they really improved on last season where you can say they're that much better if both teams are healthy?

I've seen lots of people point to our vets and somehow automatically claim they'll be injured again...what about Matt Stafford? Guy isn't even practicing right now cuz of a back issue which they're trying to paint as simple maintenance/precaution. How many hits will he take if he plays? Davante Adams would be the 4th oldest player on our offense if he was here after Trent, Juice and Brendel. Nobody talks about him falling off or getting injured...why?

It's certainly too early to know what we have in our young players but if we take injuries(which cannot be projected) out of it then we can certainly be better than the Rams, especially with the schedule we have.

I think schedule strength projections are not as big of a difference maker than many seem to think.
Rams get Eagles, Lions, and Ravens
49ers get Giants, Bears, and Browns
The rest of the schedule is the same.

Much like we don't know what injuries will hit the 49ers, every year we see "bad" teams jump way up and we see "good" teams fall off a cliff.
I could see both the 49ers and Rams going 2-1 in those games.

Realistically if the kids show up on defense and CMC, Kittle, Trent, and Purdy stay relatively healthy the 49ers having a better record than the Rams is reasonable.

3 games as you know is a pretty big swing but you're right we never know which team can rise and which can drop.

Hard for me to see Browns and Giants having a major glow up on offense and I sure would rather our defense have to go up against aging Russell Wilson/old man Flacco or any of their rookie QBs vs Lamar Jackson or the Lions/Eagles offense. We'll see where the Bears will be by the time we play them but we get them at home so that's a plus.

I think a lot of people simply overlook the fact of how beat up we were last season and how much the coaching changes on defense and special teams make us better by default.

I'm certainly not going to discount McVay and Matt Stafford combo with an improving defense but I'm also not going to forget that overall their defense was middle of the pack and Kyle has always had a way of getting to them.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by ninersrule4:
10-7 wildcard. Just don't see them being better than the Rams

As bad as the team was last year, if we don't drop 2 passes we likely sweep them and potentially win the division or at minimum tie with them for the same record.

That's not even bringing up the key injuries we had, terrible special teams play we had, bad coaching on defense/special teams.

Yes the Rams DL looks excellent after their overhaul and on paper Kupp for Adams looks like an upgrade for them. However outside of that have they really improved on last season where you can say they're that much better if both teams are healthy?

I've seen lots of people point to our vets and somehow automatically claim they'll be injured again...what about Matt Stafford? Guy isn't even practicing right now cuz of a back issue which they're trying to paint as simple maintenance/precaution. How many hits will he take if he plays? Davante Adams would be the 4th oldest player on our offense if he was here after Trent, Juice and Brendel. Nobody talks about him falling off or getting injured...why?

It's certainly too early to know what we have in our young players but if we take injuries(which cannot be projected) out of it then we can certainly be better than the Rams, especially with the schedule we have.

I think schedule strength projections are not as big of a difference maker than many seem to think.
Rams get Eagles, Lions, and Ravens
49ers get Giants, Bears, and Browns
The rest of the schedule is the same.

Much like we don't know what injuries will hit the 49ers, every year we see "bad" teams jump way up and we see "good" teams fall off a cliff.
I could see both the 49ers and Rams going 2-1 in those games.

Realistically if the kids show up on defense and CMC, Kittle, Trent, and Purdy stay relatively healthy the 49ers having a better record than the Rams is reasonable.

3 games as you know is a pretty big swing but you're right we never know which team can rise and which can drop.

Hard for me to see Browns and Giants having a major glow up on offense and I sure would rather our defense have to go up against aging Russell Wilson/old man Flacco or any of their rookie QBs vs Lamar Jackson or the Lions/Eagles offense. We'll see where the Bears will be by the time we play them but we get them at home so that's a plus.

I think a lot of people simply overlook the fact of how beat up we were last season and how much the coaching changes on defense and special teams make us better by default.

I'm certainly not going to discount McVay and Matt Stafford combo with an improving defense but I'm also not going to forget that overall their defense was middle of the pack and Kyle has always had a way of getting to them.

For whatever reason Kyle's best games always seem to be regular season games against the best opponents.

I don't think the Rams are going to be great this year.

Originally posted by scottym:
If the players play to their ability and don't take time off, Kyle cannot control the effort or lack thereof.

Actually he can, it's called discipline and accountability.

It Feels better than last season….Go Niners

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by scottym:
If the players play to their ability and don't take time off, Kyle cannot control the effort or lack thereof.

Actually he can, it's called discipline and accountability.

No he cannot. Look at Mooney's comments as proof. Coaches were giving him coaching points and he simply didn't care but he was on the field playing. Coach can't assume someone isn't all in if they're at least putting in an honest effort.

Some folks need to nut up...

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by scottym:
If the players play to their ability and don't take time off, Kyle cannot control the effort or lack thereof.

Actually he can, it's called discipline and accountability.

No he cannot. Look at Mooney's comments as proof. Coaches were giving him coaching points and he simply didn't care but he was on the field playing. Coach can't assume someone isn't all in if they're at least putting in an honest effort.

Mooney's case only reflects how bad last year's roster was, so much so that the coaching staff's best option was a player half-assing on the field.

But honestly, how many underperforming players have really been held accountable by Kyle?

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by scottym:
If the players play to their ability and don't take time off, Kyle cannot control the effort or lack thereof.

Actually he can, it's called discipline and accountability.

No he cannot. Look at Mooney's comments as proof. Coaches were giving him coaching points and he simply didn't care but he was on the field playing. Coach can't assume someone isn't all in if they're at least putting in an honest effort.

Mooney's case only reflects how bad last year's roster was, so much so that the coaching staff's best option was a player half-assing on the field.

But honestly, how many underperforming players have really been held accountable by Kyle?

This is the difference between a Bill Walsh or BB and just your everyday coaches. There were layers of accountability on the Walsh led teams, players Lott/Dean/etc., coaches, and then ownership.

Times have changed.

Back in the day, a player wasn't allowed to ruin the culture or vision.

Better than last year. Optimistic.

Originally posted by glorydayz:
This is the difference between a Bill Walsh or BB and just your everyday coaches. There were layers of accountability on the Walsh led teams, players Lott/Dean/etc., coaches, and then ownership.

Times have changed.

Back in the day, a player wasn't allowed to ruin the culture or vision.

That's because back in the day you didn't have the salary cap and you could actually hold guys accountable because you didn't have depth issues.

Also pretending that Shanahan doesn't keep guys accountable when he's benched a bunch of highly drafted players before is revisionist history.