How Do You Feel Going Into 2025?

Originally posted by Niners418:
You can say the team for any team. If they lose they're best players they're cooked.

Yes, and the comment I responded to was limiting it to just CMC. That was my point.

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
sounds like some real modern 'art' aka crap

"Modern art" started in the 1860s and includes Picasso, Van Gogh, Matisse, Monet, etc. They are all "crap"?

picasso is known as cubism. he was a cubist. van gogh is known as an impressionist. van gogh was in the 1800s. i don't consider that 'modern'. you may be going from the dictionary or encyclopedic definition. i'm talking about art produced in modern times. for example, someone duct taped a banana to a wall in recent times, and called it art. that's modern art. if you look at a history of art we are moving in reverse.

to add on here, probably the biggest name in modern art is jackson pollock and he sucks. he was just flinging paint on canvas. the whole shock appeal was wow, this looks like crap compared to actual art, so it was considered novel. he defied conventions, cuz up until that point it was a convention that art be good, and not dog crap.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
picasso is known as cubism. he was a cubist. van gogh is known as an impressionist. van gogh was in the 1800s. i don't consider that 'modern'. you may be going from the dictionary or encyclopedic definition. i'm talking about art produced in modern times. for example, someone duct taped a banana to a wall in recent times, and called it art. that's modern art. if you look at a history of art we are moving in reverse.

Yes, when someone says "modern art" the assumption is that they mean the movement that started in the late 1800s and includes cubism and impressionism. Just like music recorded yesterday can be called "classical" music and understanding it's the kind of music, not when it was made. In music "popular music" is generally understood to have started early in the 20th century. The art installation I was talking about started in the 1970s.

Every era and every type of art includes crap, but that doesn't mean it's ALL crap. What survives tends to be better quality.

When do "modern times" start for you?

Okay the banana thing was stupid.

To keep it 49ers related: I can always find something to be excited about about the coming season since I was watching the 49ers in 1979 and 80 and know you can't always see a big improvement coming. I can see this team dominating the entire season, I just don't think it's likely.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
picasso is known as cubism. he was a cubist. van gogh is known as an impressionist. van gogh was in the 1800s. i don't consider that 'modern'. you may be going from the dictionary or encyclopedic definition. i'm talking about art produced in modern times. for example, someone duct taped a banana to a wall in recent times, and called it art. that's modern art. if you look at a history of art we are moving in reverse.

to add on here, probably the biggest name in modern art is jackson pollock and he sucks. he was just flinging paint on canvas. the whole shock appeal was wow, this looks like crap compared to actual art, so it was considered novel. he defied conventions, cuz up until that point it was a convention that art be good, and not dog crap.

Pollock is not the biggest name in modern art, and he wasn't just flinging paint.

The "convention" in music is to make successful music, and yet there is still endless crap in every era.

Interesting thing ... the cold war caused the CIA to create a psy-op to promote modern art because the Soviets were not good at it. Literally the huge expansion of the modern art scene in the 60s and 70s was directly funded by the CIA. And a lot of it was crap. :)

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
picasso is known as cubism. he was a cubist. van gogh is known as an impressionist. van gogh was in the 1800s. i don't consider that 'modern'. you may be going from the dictionary or encyclopedic definition. i'm talking about art produced in modern times. for example, someone duct taped a banana to a wall in recent times, and called it art. that's modern art. if you look at a history of art we are moving in reverse.

to add on here, probably the biggest name in modern art is jackson pollock and he sucks. he was just flinging paint on canvas. the whole shock appeal was wow, this looks like crap compared to actual art, so it was considered novel. he defied conventions, cuz up until that point it was a convention that art be good, and not dog crap.

Pollock is not the biggest name in modern art, and he wasn't just flinging paint.

The "convention" in music is to make successful music, and yet there is still endless crap in every era.

Interesting thing ... the cold war caused the CIA to create a psy-op to promote modern art because the Soviets were not good at it. Literally the huge expansion of the modern art scene in the 60s and 70s was directly funded by the CIA. And a lot of it was crap. :)

i googled jackson pollock most famous painting, here is the result



this is stored in the metropolitan museum. they say yes, he flung paint: In 1947, he devised a radically new technique whereby paint was dripped and poured (as well as spattered, flung, and pooled)

i think the above is crap. a usual complaint is that a 5 year old can produce the above. which is probably true. maybe not the same methods, but same end product. anything good has to involve skill. like NFL football, i can play football, but the reason the NFL is good, is the insane skill involved. far beyond ordinary capability. just google art from a thousand years ago, it smokes this pollock, which sells for probably many millions. btw, once you consider the above art, and put it in the met, you lead to ppl sticking bananas on walls and calling that art. one piece of crap leads to another, it's degeneration.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
i googled jackson pollock most famous painting, here is the result



this is stored in the metropolitan museum. they say yes, he flung paint: In 1947, he devised a radically new technique whereby paint was dripped and poured (as well as spattered, flung, and pooled)

i think the above is crap. a usual complaint is that a 5 year old can produce the above. which is probably true. maybe not the same methods, but same end product. anything good has to involve skill. like NFL football, i can play football, but the reason the NFL is good, is the insane skill involved. far beyond ordinary capability. just google art from a thousand years ago, it smokes this pollock, which sells for probably many millions. btw, once you consider the above art, and put it in the met, you lead to ppl sticking bananas on walls and calling that art. one piece of crap leads to another, it's degeneration.

I wouldn't say that was his most famous work, but okay. I don't particularly like that one either. I didn't say he didn't fling paint I said he didn't JUST fling paint (which is what you said). He had a plan. And yeah, I think his most valuable painting is supposedly worth around $250M.

Again, there has ALWAYS been crap art. I like a lot of different musical genres, I can usually find something in a genre that I like but a lot of it I can't stand or just don't get. I'm sure some people consider Frank Zappa or Taylor Swift genius, and some who consider them crap. Art is subjective.

The Gorillaz song Clint Eastwood was "just" hitting 'Rock 1' on an Omnichord instrument. It's still a good song.

On the 5-year old, it's funny you say that because there is literally a book titled "Why Your Five-Year-Old Could Not Have Done That" about modern art.

Originally posted by bigpete50:
My biggest concern is the Niners lack team speed especially on offense. This will allow opponents to load the box and make Purdy beat them with a depleted WR group. Guess the good news is with the addition of Saleh, Kyle can really concentrate on dialing up good plays for the Niners to compete.

They do? What kind of speed are you looking for?

Aiyuk if healthy has plenty of speed to get open.
Pearsall ran a 4.41
Cowing ran a 4.38
Watkins who they just added ran a 4.37
Guerendo ran a 4.33

That's plenty of speed...question is can those young guys use that timed speed properly.

Originally posted by genus49:
They do? What kind of speed are you looking for?

Aiyuk if healthy has plenty of speed to get open.
Pearsall ran a 4.41
Cowing ran a 4.38
Watkins who they just added ran a 4.37
Guerendo ran a 4.33

That's plenty of speed...question is can those young guys use that timed speed properly.

Maybe he meant speed on defense?

Sigle ran a 4.36
Beal ran a 4.44
Luter ran a 4.46
Winters and Green ran a 4.49

Even when this team was loaded we couldn't win it all twice. Very little optimism this season

Originally posted by teylo31:
Even when this team was loaded we couldn't win it all twice. Very little optimism this season

Different fans watch sports for different reasons. I prefer to be an optimist because it's supposed to be entertaining :)

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by teylo31:
Even when this team was loaded we couldn't win it all twice. Very little optimism this season

Different fans watch sports for different reasons. I prefer to be an optimist because it's supposed to be entertaining :)

True, my dad was a huge Brett Favre fan where he went that was his team then it was Aaron Rodgers until my and my brother 9ers kept kicking the packers ass he decided he's a 9er fan 😂. I'm so heart broken at this point feel I need a full on dynasty to help me cope.

2019 I watched us lose the SB with my father on his death bed
2011 Kyle Williams ruins a magical season
2012 Rise and fall of Kaepernick End of an era, failed Willis, Bowman, Gore, Staley, Cowboy, on a ring
2022 Mr Irrelevant takes the NFL by storm, I'm not religious at all but I prayed to god all I ask is to see Purdy win it as a Mr irrelevant rookie to help heal my broken heart. Blows out his elbow in the NFC championship
2023 Our revenge year only to lose to Taylor Swift

I'll always be a 9er fan but at this point if we win the SB I think I'd be melancholy at best…

I'm really looking forward to the kids on the team taking the next step. Malik, Renardo, Dominick, even Nugent, Pleasants and Pline. Oh and Evan Anderson ... I feel like he could take a significant step.

Originally posted by Since07:
True, my dad was a huge Brett Favre fan where he went that was his team then it was Aaron Rodgers until my and my brother 9ers kept kicking the packers ass he decided he's a 9er fan 😂. I'm so heart broken at this point feel I need a full on dynasty to help me cope.

2019 I watched us lose the SB with my father on his death bed
2011 Kyle Williams ruins a magical season
2012 Rise and fall of Kaepernick End of an era, failed Willis, Bowman, Gore, Staley, Cowboy, on a ring
2022 Mr Irrelevant takes the NFL by storm, I'm not religious at all but I prayed to god all I ask is to see Purdy win it as a Mr irrelevant rookie to help heal my broken heart. Blows out his elbow in the NFC championship
2023 Our revenge year only to lose to Taylor Swift

I'll always be a 9er fan but at this point if we win the SB I think I'd be melancholy at best…

My Mom got pajamas from the discount bin when I was a kid, they were Vikings PJs so I was a Vikings fan for a while, then in 1978 I switched to the 49ers who were my local team after my brother took me to their training camp.

I find life is easier if you remember the good times and forget the bad ones :)

It kind of feels like 2016 to me. We just experienced an exodus, but I still think there's a core that we can win with. Let's hope the results are different than what they were then.

Originally posted by teylo31:
Even when this team was loaded we couldn't win it all twice. Very little optimism this season

Then why watch?