We need to talk about the previous drafts

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Sickaa:
The trade up for Lance was the real killer. A decision that potentially prevented us from adding even more talent to an already loaded roster that could have helped us with winning a super bowl or two.

Funny that some fans are upset that they wasted draft picks but they also thnk the Niners don't draft well. So what difference does it make.

Both can be simultaneously true and both are indictments of the current GM and HC

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Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Sickaa:
The trade up for Lance was the real killer. A decision that potentially prevented us from adding even more talent to an already loaded roster that could have helped us with winning a super bowl or two.

Funny that some fans are upset that they wasted draft picks but they also thnk the Niners don't draft well. So what difference does it make.

if you look at the rams, they won a ring essentially over us. they walked over us to get their ring. they did it with von miller, ramsey, trading for stafford, etc. so even if you can't draft, you can flip these picks for proven stars. it was known as the eff them picks era for LA. they have pivoted since and are drafting pretty well with Les Snead.

100% this.

We should have done this. We could have drafted this guy. We should have signed that guy. I guess the team that went to the NFC title game 4 times in the last 5 seasons and 2 SBs is just dumb. They have no clue what they're doing. Lucky thing for the rest of the league that Lynch and Kyle are idiots or the Niners might have won 4 straight SBs.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Sickaa:
The trade up for Lance was the real killer. A decision that potentially prevented us from adding even more talent to an already loaded roster that could have helped us with winning a super bowl or two.

Funny that some fans are upset that they wasted draft picks but they also thnk the Niners don't draft well. So what difference does it make.

if you look at the rams, they won a ring essentially over us. they walked over us to get their ring. they did it with von miller, ramsey, trading for stafford, etc. so even if you can't draft, you can flip these picks for proven stars. it was known as the eff them picks era for LA. they have pivoted since and are drafting pretty well with Les Snead.

100% this.

We should have done this. We could have drafted this guy. We should have signed that guy. I guess the team that went to the NFC title game 4 times in the last 5 seasons and 2 SBs is just dumb. They have no clue what they're doing. Lucky thing for the rest of the league that Lynch and Kyle are idiots or the Niners might have won 4 straight SBs.

Let's not be dramatic

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Sickaa:
The trade up for Lance was the real killer. A decision that potentially prevented us from adding even more talent to an already loaded roster that could have helped us with winning a super bowl or two.

Funny that some fans are upset that they wasted draft picks but they also thnk the Niners don't draft well. So what difference does it make.

if you look at the rams, they won a ring essentially over us. they walked over us to get their ring. they did it with von miller, ramsey, trading for stafford, etc. so even if you can't draft, you can flip these picks for proven stars. it was known as the eff them picks era for LA. they have pivoted since and are drafting pretty well with Les Snead.

100% this.

We should have done this. We could have drafted this guy. We should have signed that guy. I guess the team that went to the NFC title game 4 times in the last 5 seasons and 2 SBs is just dumb. They have no clue what they're doing. Lucky thing for the rest of the league that Lynch and Kyle are idiots or the Niners might have won 4 straight SBs.

Let's not be dramatic

You prefer constantly saying Kyle should be fired? That's dramatic. You realize I was being sarcastic right.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Sickaa:
The trade up for Lance was the real killer. A decision that potentially prevented us from adding even more talent to an already loaded roster that could have helped us with winning a super bowl or two.

Funny that some fans are upset that they wasted draft picks but they also thnk the Niners don't draft well. So what difference does it make.

if you look at the rams, they won a ring essentially over us. they walked over us to get their ring. they did it with von miller, ramsey, trading for stafford, etc. so even if you can't draft, you can flip these picks for proven stars. it was known as the eff them picks era for LA. they have pivoted since and are drafting pretty well with Les Snead.

100% this.

We should have done this. We could have drafted this guy. We should have signed that guy. I guess the team that went to the NFC title game 4 times in the last 5 seasons and 2 SBs is just dumb. They have no clue what they're doing. Lucky thing for the rest of the league that Lynch and Kyle are idiots or the Niners might have won 4 straight SBs.

Let's not be dramatic

You prefer constantly saying Kyle should be fired? That's dramatic. You realize I was being sarcastic right.

My bad. I don't know who's being sarcastic or serious anymore.

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Sickaa:
The trade up for Lance was the real killer. A decision that potentially prevented us from adding even more talent to an already loaded roster that could have helped us with winning a super bowl or two.

Funny that some fans are upset that they wasted draft picks but they also thnk the Niners don't draft well. So what difference does it make.

if you look at the rams, they won a ring essentially over us. they walked over us to get their ring. they did it with von miller, ramsey, trading for stafford, etc. so even if you can't draft, you can flip these picks for proven stars. it was known as the eff them picks era for LA. they have pivoted since and are drafting pretty well with Les Snead.

100% this.

We should have done this. We could have drafted this guy. We should have signed that guy. I guess the team that went to the NFC title game 4 times in the last 5 seasons and 2 SBs is just dumb. They have no clue what they're doing. Lucky thing for the rest of the league that Lynch and Kyle are idiots or the Niners might have won 4 straight SBs.

Let's not be dramatic

You prefer constantly saying Kyle should be fired? That's dramatic. You realize I was being sarcastic right.

My bad. I don't know who's being sarcastic or serious anymore.

I know what you mean. That's why I try and use an emoji to indicate it was meant to be sarcasm. Hard to pick the right one from all the choices.

Originally posted by linkboy:
This team is clearly suffering from blowing the 21, 22 and 23 drafts.

2021 Draft

• Trey Lance (not on roster)
• Ambry Thomas (bust)
• Jaylon Moore
• Deommodore Lenoir (starter, stud)
• Talanoa Hafunga (starter, injury prone)
• Elijah Mitchell (injury prone)

2022 Draft

• Drake Jackson (bust, injury prone)
• Tyrion Davis-Price (not on roster)
• Danny Gray (not on roster)
• Spencer Burford (average backup)
• Samuel Womack (not on roster)
• Nick Zakejl (not good backup)
• Kaila Davis (hasn't shown much, injured)
• Tariq Castro-Fields (not on roster)
• Brock Purdy (Starting QB)

2023 Draft

• Ji'Ayir Brown (average starter)
• Jake Moody (average kicker)
• Cameron Latu (not on roster)
• Darrell Luter (bad ST player)
• Robert Beal (hasn't done much)
• Dee Winters (backup)
• Brayden Willis (backup)
• Ronnie Bell (terrible backup)
• Jalen Graham (backup, cut a few times)

2024 Draft

• Ricky Pearsall (looks good)
• Renardo Green (looks good)
• Dominick Puni (stud)
• Malik Mustapha (looks good)
• Isaac Guerendo (looks good)
• Jacob Cowing (average, with potential)
• Jarrett Kingston (not on roster)
• Tatum Bathune (backup)
  
  

The 21, 22 and 23 drafts are a huge reason why the team is in the state it is. There's no depth because of how bad those drafts were.

We're an aging, top heavy roster and this season the starters are getting wrecked with injuries, and the lack of depth is rearing it's head. This really wasn't an issue last season, as everyone was relatively healthy.

Teams are built, and maintained thru the draft, and we've done a pretty terrible job at the maintaining part. This is where the Lance trade is killing us.

It's looking like the 24 draft is showing promise, but it's still to early for the overall class.

They really need another draft like this in April to continue to rebuild that depth, and replace the old core as they start to age out.

EXCELLENT post!!

This should be brought up at press conferences w/KS/JL.

Don't let them squirm out of hard questions.

Originally posted by Niners99:
The 49ers consistently find at least one star player in about every draft, which ANY team would take. Landing any All-Pro caliber talent in a draft is rare. Our drafts might be feast or famine, but id rather hit big on a difference maker once a draft than hit on 3-4 average starters per draft.

2017: Kittle
2018: Warner
2019: Bosa, Deebo, Greenlaw
2020: Aiyuk, Jennings
2021: Lenoir, Hufanga
2022: Purdy

From 2023 and 2024, which are still way too early to judge, we have promising players in Brown, Pearsall, Green, Puni, and Mustapha.

I'm not seeing any issues with our drafting TBH. The only glaring aspect is we've found studs at about every position except OL, which is really apparent now that Trent looks finished. Puni has nice potential, but the OL we've built is embarrassing. Getting Trent masked the smell for a while now, but now its exposed. I will never understand NFL teams' obsession with trying to save money on the OL and paying star skill position guys. If your OL is great you don't need as much talent because the QB has time to find open guys.

I'm not sure how you can say the Niners draft well. I agree they have hit on some great players but they miss on a ton. Look at the list above, outside of Bosa and Deebo, the others were late round picks. Their drafting results are a bit of an enigma. They are horrific in the first two days (rounds 1-3) and pretty incredible in 4-7. It would be great to see a ranking by round.
I have two major issues with the Niners drafting. First, get Kyle and coaches to stop drafting in the first three rounds. You suck. Let the scouts do their job. If we didn't show up to draft day 1 & 2 and let my mom use a mock draft in the first three rounds we literally do better. No joke
Would you like 7 1st round picks for this group?
Solomon Thomas, Reuben Foster, J Kinlaw, Lance, McGlinchey

Second, stop zeroing in on 1-2 guys per round. I have a theory they know before the draft begins who they want to draft. And so they end up reaching for them instead of taking best player available. Moody, Wish, Banks, Kinlaw, Jackson. Problem with this strategy is you don't evaluate other positions (admitting they didn't evaluate Mahomes) or you ignore surprise drops in the draft cause you get your guy (Banks over Creed Humphrey who slid).
And going back to this thread. Lance trade is absolutely the reason we are in this hole. Do y'all remember what Kyle said when the draft was made? "We don't yet know who we want to draft but moving up to 3 puts us in a position to get one of the top 3." that's great but what if you evaluate and they aren't good enough? Look QB was a huge need at the time, but sitting at 12 and selecting would be better than trading away two 1s. Simply malpractice.

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by lamontb:
I'm not sure I can out Pearsall or IG in the looking good category. Still crazy that they spent a 3rd rounder on a fg kicker. That's a ton of bad draft picks. No way around it and it shows everywhere on this roster.

This. IG had one good game and Pearsall has been meh.

Not sold on this draft class at all (I still recall some fans hyping up rookies like Ji'Ayir Brown, Ambry Thomas or Aaron Banks )

Either way it's way too early to call it on the 2024 class. Guys regress at times or improve.

I'd say the only pick we can really say looks to be a hit is Puni. He's the one guy who has played the majority of starting snaps and has looked good to great most of the time.

I think Green and Mustafa have shown really good things and SHOULD trend the right way. Pearsall, Cowing, Guerendo and Bethune simply haven't played enough meaningful snaps to call it one way or another.

I do think Pearsall will be a very good player for us and I think Cowing is a baller who hasn't gotten a chance but seems to have produced big plays every time he's gotten on the field on offense. Pearsall missed time in camp and then got shot...he's not going to hit the ground running like others but he's shown good things. All you can ask for given the crazy circumstances with him.

Originally posted by linkboy:
This team is clearly suffering from blowing the 21, 22 and 23 drafts.

2021 Draft

• Trey Lance (not on roster)
• Ambry Thomas (bust)
• Jaylon Moore
• Deommodore Lenoir (starter, stud)
• Talanoa Hafunga (starter, injury prone)
• Elijah Mitchell (injury prone)

2022 Draft

• Drake Jackson (bust, injury prone)
• Tyrion Davis-Price (not on roster)
• Danny Gray (not on roster)
• Spencer Burford (average backup)
• Samuel Womack (not on roster)
• Nick Zakejl (not good backup)
• Kaila Davis (hasn't shown much, injured)
• Tariq Castro-Fields (not on roster)
• Brock Purdy (Starting QB)

2023 Draft

• Ji'Ayir Brown (average starter)
• Jake Moody (average kicker)
• Cameron Latu (not on roster)
• Darrell Luter (bad ST player)
• Robert Beal (hasn't done much)
• Dee Winters (backup)
• Brayden Willis (backup)
• Ronnie Bell (terrible backup)
• Jalen Graham (backup, cut a few times)

2024 Draft

• Ricky Pearsall (looks good)
• Renardo Green (looks good)
• Dominick Puni (stud)
• Malik Mustapha (looks good)
• Isaac Guerendo (looks good)
• Jacob Cowing (average, with potential)
• Jarrett Kingston (not on roster)
• Tatum Bathune (backup)
  
  

The 21, 22 and 23 drafts are a huge reason why the team is in the state it is. There's no depth because of how bad those drafts were.

We're an aging, top heavy roster and this season the starters are getting wrecked with injuries, and the lack of depth is rearing it's head. This really wasn't an issue last season, as everyone was relatively healthy.

Teams are built, and maintained thru the draft, and we've done a pretty terrible job at the maintaining part. This is where the Lance trade is killing us.

It's looking like the 24 draft is showing promise, but it's still to early for the overall class.

They really need another draft like this in April to continue to rebuild that depth, and replace the old core as they start to age out.

This highlights how bad the Trey Lance trade was for the San Francisco 49ers. For a refresher:

49ers get:

• 2021 first-round pick (No. 3 overall)

Dolphins get:

• 2021 first-round pick (No. 12 overall)
• 2022 first-round pick (No. 29 overall)
• 2022 third-round pick (No. 101 overall)
• 2023 first-round pick (No. 29 overall)

For fun, the Cowboys selected Micah Parsons at 12 in 2021. If Brock didn't exist this team would be a dumpster fire at QB. Imagine Parsons opposite Bosa.

Originally posted by bzborow1:
This highlights how bad the Trey Lance trade was for the San Francisco 49ers. For a refresher:

49ers get:

• 2021 first-round pick (No. 3 overall)

Dolphins get:

• 2021 first-round pick (No. 12 overall)
• 2022 first-round pick (No. 29 overall)
• 2022 third-round pick (No. 101 overall)
• 2023 first-round pick (No. 29 overall)

For fun, the Cowboys selected Micah Parsons at 12 in 2021. If Brock didn't exist this team would be a dumpster fire at QB. Imagine Parsons opposite Bosa.

Yeah those picks became

Michah Parsons
OG Cole Stange
TE Jeremy Ruckert
DT Bryan Bresee

I'm not saying we would have selected exactly those same guys, but that is who was taken with the picks we gave up.

Originally posted by CardinalGold:

Originally posted by bzborow1:
This highlights how bad the Trey Lance trade was for the San Francisco 49ers. For a refresher:

49ers get:

• 2021 first-round pick (No. 3 overall)

Dolphins get:

• 2021 first-round pick (No. 12 overall)
• 2022 first-round pick (No. 29 overall)
• 2022 third-round pick (No. 101 overall)
• 2023 first-round pick (No. 29 overall)

For fun, the Cowboys selected Micah Parsons at 12 in 2021. If Brock didn't exist this team would be a dumpster fire at QB. Imagine Parsons opposite Bosa.

Yeah those picks became

Michah Parsons
OG Cole Stange
TE Jeremy Ruckert
DT Bryan Bresee

I'm not saying we would have selected exactly those same guys, but that is who was taken with the picks we gave up.

Yeah and we still wouldn't have a QB… as you can see "QB", trumps all

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
Our 49ers leadership team is blinded by arrogance. We let guys walk (Defo, D.J Jones, Armstead) rather than paying them because we thought we were a QB led team (Jimmy G/Trey Lance) and now we realize just how important all those 1st round D-Line players were. We have consistently neglected the O-Line while wasting Ickes on throw away running backs and WR's. We let a future H.O.F QB (Mahomes) slip through our fingers because Shanahan thought he knew better (Beathard).

We literally throw away draft picks see T. Lance and all of the 2nd and 3rd round reaches.

At som point we were going to be humbled. CMC, Debo, and Kittle can't bail us out this time around. Not even lucking into aMr. Irrelevant all world QB can mask the issues we are having. When panic sets in, get the ball to CMC, well…

It's not a total rebuild but I hope our leadership has learned from their mistakes. For example; Kinlaw is not Defo. Patch work F/A's didn't come through this time.

So, what are we going to do about this mess we've made???

A lot of good points in there.

There has been some good moves as well. Just pointing out what we need to fix.

We've had some less than gret drfts recently but I went back and looked at the all time draft list. I the 4 years form 1990 thru 1993 the Niners had 39 draft picks. ( the draft had 12 rounds in some of those years) They had 5 #1 picks and 6 #2 picks. They got 5 good players out of all that. Stubblefield in 1993, Watters and Hanks in 1991 and Eric Davis and Dennis Brown in 1990. All the other 34 players either made no impact or were fringe players at best. I only post this to show that sometimes teams miss no matter who the coach and GM are. Sometomes the talent just doesn't fall their way. During those years the 49ers were much like the current team. Always battling for the top spot so they ended up pickng near the end of the round.