We need to talk about the previous drafts

Originally posted by jreff22:
2020 we took Kinlaw at 14.

Lynch blows.

And the Kinlaw pick was the value we got for getting rid of Defo

If we had the Saints draft in 2017, we would of won a SB already!

Failure to address the offensive line has costs us SBs and another wasted year

Originally posted by linkboy:
This team is clearly suffering from blowing the 21, 22 and 23 drafts.

2021 Draft

• Trey Lance (not on roster) - Obvious mistake, reason why I'm against tanking for a QB
• Ambry Thomas (bust) - Can't argue here, he sucks
• Jaylon Moore - Not a bad pick IMO, he's done a good job when needed
• Deommodore Lenoir (starter, stud) - Yup, a stud & starter, earned that $89.9M deal
• Talanoa Hafunga (starter, injury prone) - Is he injury prone? Maybe, it sucks, but I wouldn't call him a bad pick
• Elijah Mitchell (injury prone) - Same as Hufanga, he produced for us, but he's a goner, and a 6th rd pick isn't a big deal IMO

2022 Draft

• Drake Jackson (bust, injury prone) - I kinda agree right now, as Sam Okuayinonu looks so much better for a guy who I think was either late rd or UDFA, I'll reserve 100% judgement till 2025
• Tyrion Davis-Price (not on roster) - Not gonna disagree, terrible pick
• Danny Gray (not on roster) - Same as TDP, terrible pick
• Spencer Burford (average backup) - Better than average backup, he can play both LG & RG, he's a guy I'm glad we have
• Samuel Womack (not on roster) - Not a bad pick, but a bad idea to waive him
• Nick Zakejl (not good backup) - Idk about him, he has to have done something to win the backup C spot, the Feliciano injury hurt us big time
• Kaila Davis (hasn't shown much, injured) - Disagree, he's been good IMO, I'm a fan of Kalia Davis.
• Tariq Castro-Fields (not on roster) - Hated when we waived him, but clear as a 6th rd pick that it is what it is, he's not on a 53 man roster I don't think anyway
• Brock Purdy (Starting QB) - Franchise QB IMO, nuff said

2023 Draft

• Ji'Ayir Brown (average starter) - Had a promising rookie season, can't judge him based off of less than a full year of starting games, I still like him for the future, he's a hard hitting safety
• Jake Moody (average kicker) - Not a fan of picking him at 99, but he's a better kicker than people give him credit for, I don't think he was fully ready to come back when he missed 3 FGs
• Cameron Latu (not on roster) - Bust, I was really wrong on him, thought he'd be a good player
• Darrell Luter (bad ST player) - Disagree, he's an average ST'er, and has promise as a CB
• Robert Beal (hasn't done much) - True that he hasn't done much, but they have Bosa, Floyd, Gross-Matos, & now Okyuanoninu ahead of him
• Dee Winters (backup) - Future starting WLB or SAM LB IMO, he's been really good IMO
• Brayden Willis (backup) - Not gonna b***h about him, a 6th rd pick, not a big deal, he's a good backup
• Ronnie Bell (terrible backup) - Not gonna disagree, I want him off the 53, but he's a great ST player on punts, but that's it, can't keep a guy because he can do just ST stuff when he's also a WR, that's reserved for the PK, P, & LS IMO
• Jalen Graham (backup, cut a few times) - Hasn't been great, looked really good in preseason in 2023, didn't look good this year, but 7th round pick, not gonna complain

2024 Draft

• Ricky Pearsall (looks good) - Agree, I'd like to see him get more PT especially over Bell & Conley
• Renardo Green (looks good) - Looks like a stud in the making IMO
• Dominick Puni (stud) - Early to call him a stud, but one in the making
• Malik Mustapha (looks good) - Hard hitter, he's the future at SS, stud IMO
• Isaac Guerendo (looks good) - Another good player, good KR, good runner, he's looked promising, even if just the 3rd back
• Jacob Cowing (average, with potential) - Not mad, he obviously needs to earn playing time, but from what I've seen he has promise as a deep threat
• Jarrett Kingston (not on roster) - This pisses me off, idk why we waived him, hoping to clear, he looked good in preseason, obvious he'd get claimed, oh well.
• Tatum Bathune (backup) - Has actually looked good on STs, and I like him a lot.
  
  

The 21, 22 and 23 drafts are a huge reason why the team is in the state it is. There's no depth because of how bad those drafts were.

We're an aging, top heavy roster and this season the starters are getting wrecked with injuries, and the lack of depth is rearing it's head. This really wasn't an issue last season, as everyone was relatively healthy.

Teams are built, and maintained thru the draft, and we've done a pretty terrible job at the maintaining part. This is where the Lance trade is killing us.

It's looking like the 24 draft is showing promise, but it's still to early for the overall class.

They really need another draft like this in April to continue to rebuild that depth, and replace the old core as they start to age out.

My Comments next to the picks.

2021 is saved by Lenoir & Hufanga IMO, 2022 by Brock, simple as that, 2023 it's too early, but not good with Latu, but good with Brown, Moody has been good, not gonna base him off the 1 game he missed 3 FGs, 2024 looks promising, but too early to tell.

We also have to look at UDFAs that this regime has found, Evan Anderson, Kevin Givens, Jordan Mason all are good, I don't think their drafts have been horrible, 2017's saved by Kittle, plus first draft so not gonna fault them, 2018 saved by Warner, 2019 was great, Bosa, Deebo, Wish, & Dre are all good to great players, 2020 is saved by Aiyuk, no matter what people say I see Aiyuk coming back stronger, look at Nick, he came back from the ACL injury better, I get the holdout hurt him, but could have happened at any moment, can't blame the torn ACL on holdout, he was still working out, running routes on his own, not a fan of how he went about his business, but glad he's a 49er.

Also, you can't nail every pick, if you hit on 30%-35% of your picks then you've done a good to great job, most picks don't last it past their 3rd year of their rookie deal, let along get a second deal, plus when you draft a stud in each draft, I can't say anything bad about it, but that's me.

Originally posted by 49erfaninAZ:
Failure to address the offensive line has costs us SBs and another wasted year

Here's the thing our OC/HC/GM is happy with the IOL. We know this after 7 years of same BS over and over again. He's also a Shanahan and they believe in scheme over talent.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by linkboy:
This team is clearly suffering from blowing the 21, 22 and 23 drafts.

2021 Draft

• Trey Lance (not on roster) - Obvious mistake, reason why I'm against tanking for a QB
• Ambry Thomas (bust) - Can't argue here, he sucks
• Jaylon Moore - Not a bad pick IMO, he's done a good job when needed
• Deommodore Lenoir (starter, stud) - Yup, a stud & starter, earned that $89.9M deal
• Talanoa Hafunga (starter, injury prone) - Is he injury prone? Maybe, it sucks, but I wouldn't call him a bad pick
• Elijah Mitchell (injury prone) - Same as Hufanga, he produced for us, but he's a goner, and a 6th rd pick isn't a big deal IMO

2022 Draft

• Drake Jackson (bust, injury prone) - I kinda agree right now, as Sam Okuayinonu looks so much better for a guy who I think was either late rd or UDFA, I'll reserve 100% judgement till 2025
• Tyrion Davis-Price (not on roster) - Not gonna disagree, terrible pick
• Danny Gray (not on roster) - Same as TDP, terrible pick
• Spencer Burford (average backup) - Better than average backup, he can play both LG & RG, he's a guy I'm glad we have
• Samuel Womack (not on roster) - Not a bad pick, but a bad idea to waive him
• Nick Zakejl (not good backup) - Idk about him, he has to have done something to win the backup C spot, the Feliciano injury hurt us big time
• Kaila Davis (hasn't shown much, injured) - Disagree, he's been good IMO, I'm a fan of Kalia Davis.
• Tariq Castro-Fields (not on roster) - Hated when we waived him, but clear as a 6th rd pick that it is what it is, he's not on a 53 man roster I don't think anyway
• Brock Purdy (Starting QB) - Franchise QB IMO, nuff said

2023 Draft

• Ji'Ayir Brown (average starter) - Had a promising rookie season, can't judge him based off of less than a full year of starting games, I still like him for the future, he's a hard hitting safety
• Jake Moody (average kicker) - Not a fan of picking him at 99, but he's a better kicker than people give him credit for, I don't think he was fully ready to come back when he missed 3 FGs
• Cameron Latu (not on roster) - Bust, I was really wrong on him, thought he'd be a good player
• Darrell Luter (bad ST player) - Disagree, he's an average ST'er, and has promise as a CB
• Robert Beal (hasn't done much) - True that he hasn't done much, but they have Bosa, Floyd, Gross-Matos, & now Okyuanoninu ahead of him
• Dee Winters (backup) - Future starting WLB or SAM LB IMO, he's been really good IMO
• Brayden Willis (backup) - Not gonna b***h about him, a 6th rd pick, not a big deal, he's a good backup
• Ronnie Bell (terrible backup) - Not gonna disagree, I want him off the 53, but he's a great ST player on punts, but that's it, can't keep a guy because he can do just ST stuff when he's also a WR, that's reserved for the PK, P, & LS IMO
• Jalen Graham (backup, cut a few times) - Hasn't been great, looked really good in preseason in 2023, didn't look good this year, but 7th round pick, not gonna complain

2024 Draft

• Ricky Pearsall (looks good) - Agree, I'd like to see him get more PT especially over Bell & Conley
• Renardo Green (looks good) - Looks like a stud in the making IMO
• Dominick Puni (stud) - Early to call him a stud, but one in the making
• Malik Mustapha (looks good) - Hard hitter, he's the future at SS, stud IMO
• Isaac Guerendo (looks good) - Another good player, good KR, good runner, he's looked promising, even if just the 3rd back
• Jacob Cowing (average, with potential) - Not mad, he obviously needs to earn playing time, but from what I've seen he has promise as a deep threat
• Jarrett Kingston (not on roster) - This pisses me off, idk why we waived him, hoping to clear, he looked good in preseason, obvious he'd get claimed, oh well.
• Tatum Bathune (backup) - Has actually looked good on STs, and I like him a lot.
  
  

The 21, 22 and 23 drafts are a huge reason why the team is in the state it is. There's no depth because of how bad those drafts were.

We're an aging, top heavy roster and this season the starters are getting wrecked with injuries, and the lack of depth is rearing it's head. This really wasn't an issue last season, as everyone was relatively healthy.

Teams are built, and maintained thru the draft, and we've done a pretty terrible job at the maintaining part. This is where the Lance trade is killing us.

It's looking like the 24 draft is showing promise, but it's still to early for the overall class.

They really need another draft like this in April to continue to rebuild that depth, and replace the old core as they start to age out.

My Comments next to the picks.

2021 is saved by Lenoir & Hufanga IMO, 2022 by Brock, simple as that, 2023 it's too early, but not good with Latu, but good with Brown, Moody has been good, not gonna base him off the 1 game he missed 3 FGs, 2024 looks promising, but too early to tell.

We also have to look at UDFAs that this regime has found, Evan Anderson, Kevin Givens, Jordan Mason all are good, I don't think their drafts have been horrible, 2017's saved by Kittle, plus first draft so not gonna fault them, 2018 saved by Warner, 2019 was great, Bosa, Deebo, Wish, & Dre are all good to great players, 2020 is saved by Aiyuk, no matter what people say I see Aiyuk coming back stronger, look at Nick, he came back from the ACL injury better, I get the holdout hurt him, but could have happened at any moment, can't blame the torn ACL on holdout, he was still working out, running routes on his own, not a fan of how he went about his business, but glad he's a 49er.

You seriously saying you are glad Burford is on this roster after his SB performance and overall s**tty play? That's a crazy statement to me.

Originally posted by linkboy:
This team is clearly suffering from blowing the 21, 22 and 23 drafts.

2021 Draft

• Trey Lance (not on roster)
• Ambry Thomas (bust)
• Jaylon Moore
• Deommodore Lenoir (starter, stud)
• Talanoa Hafunga (starter, injury prone)
• Elijah Mitchell (injury prone)

2022 Draft

• Drake Jackson (bust, injury prone)
• Tyrion Davis-Price (not on roster)
• Danny Gray (not on roster)
• Spencer Burford (average backup)
• Samuel Womack (not on roster)
• Nick Zakejl (not good backup)
• Kaila Davis (hasn't shown much, injured)
• Tariq Castro-Fields (not on roster)
• Brock Purdy (Starting QB)

2023 Draft

• Ji'Ayir Brown (average starter)
• Jake Moody (average kicker)
• Cameron Latu (not on roster)
• Darrell Luter (bad ST player)
• Robert Beal (hasn't done much)
• Dee Winters (backup)
• Brayden Willis (backup)
• Ronnie Bell (terrible backup)
• Jalen Graham (backup, cut a few times)

2024 Draft

• Ricky Pearsall (looks good)
• Renardo Green (looks good)
• Dominick Puni (stud)
• Malik Mustapha (looks good)
• Isaac Guerendo (looks good)
• Jacob Cowing (average, with potential)
• Jarrett Kingston (not on roster)
• Tatum Bathune (backup)
  
  

The 21, 22 and 23 drafts are a huge reason why the team is in the state it is. There's no depth because of how bad those drafts were.

We're an aging, top heavy roster and this season the starters are getting wrecked with injuries, and the lack of depth is rearing it's head. This really wasn't an issue last season, as everyone was relatively healthy.

Teams are built, and maintained thru the draft, and we've done a pretty terrible job at the maintaining part. This is where the Lance trade is killing us.

It's looking like the 24 draft is showing promise, but it's still to early for the overall class.

They really need another draft like this in April to continue to rebuild that depth, and replace the old core as they start to age out.

As tough as it is to say…good post. Look no further than so many of those names above as to why this team lacks talented depth right now. Those poor drafts are really showing up this season with all the injuries.

OP spot on man. And it's glaringly obvious now that these drafts have absolutely killed our depth and it's showing.

Listening to Larry K post game, he made a great point. You take away personnel decisions by Shanahan and have him focus only on coaching. Bring in someone to help make sure we nail these drafts.

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by linkboy:
This team is clearly suffering from blowing the 21, 22 and 23 drafts.

2021 Draft

• Trey Lance (not on roster) - Obvious mistake, reason why I'm against tanking for a QB
• Ambry Thomas (bust) - Can't argue here, he sucks
• Jaylon Moore - Not a bad pick IMO, he's done a good job when needed
• Deommodore Lenoir (starter, stud) - Yup, a stud & starter, earned that $89.9M deal
• Talanoa Hafunga (starter, injury prone) - Is he injury prone? Maybe, it sucks, but I wouldn't call him a bad pick
• Elijah Mitchell (injury prone) - Same as Hufanga, he produced for us, but he's a goner, and a 6th rd pick isn't a big deal IMO

2022 Draft

• Drake Jackson (bust, injury prone) - I kinda agree right now, as Sam Okuayinonu looks so much better for a guy who I think was either late rd or UDFA, I'll reserve 100% judgement till 2025
• Tyrion Davis-Price (not on roster) - Not gonna disagree, terrible pick
• Danny Gray (not on roster) - Same as TDP, terrible pick
• Spencer Burford (average backup) - Better than average backup, he can play both LG & RG, he's a guy I'm glad we have
• Samuel Womack (not on roster) - Not a bad pick, but a bad idea to waive him
• Nick Zakejl (not good backup) - Idk about him, he has to have done something to win the backup C spot, the Feliciano injury hurt us big time
• Kaila Davis (hasn't shown much, injured) - Disagree, he's been good IMO, I'm a fan of Kalia Davis.
• Tariq Castro-Fields (not on roster) - Hated when we waived him, but clear as a 6th rd pick that it is what it is, he's not on a 53 man roster I don't think anyway
• Brock Purdy (Starting QB) - Franchise QB IMO, nuff said

2023 Draft

• Ji'Ayir Brown (average starter) - Had a promising rookie season, can't judge him based off of less than a full year of starting games, I still like him for the future, he's a hard hitting safety
• Jake Moody (average kicker) - Not a fan of picking him at 99, but he's a better kicker than people give him credit for, I don't think he was fully ready to come back when he missed 3 FGs
• Cameron Latu (not on roster) - Bust, I was really wrong on him, thought he'd be a good player
• Darrell Luter (bad ST player) - Disagree, he's an average ST'er, and has promise as a CB
• Robert Beal (hasn't done much) - True that he hasn't done much, but they have Bosa, Floyd, Gross-Matos, & now Okyuanoninu ahead of him
• Dee Winters (backup) - Future starting WLB or SAM LB IMO, he's been really good IMO
• Brayden Willis (backup) - Not gonna b***h about him, a 6th rd pick, not a big deal, he's a good backup
• Ronnie Bell (terrible backup) - Not gonna disagree, I want him off the 53, but he's a great ST player on punts, but that's it, can't keep a guy because he can do just ST stuff when he's also a WR, that's reserved for the PK, P, & LS IMO
• Jalen Graham (backup, cut a few times) - Hasn't been great, looked really good in preseason in 2023, didn't look good this year, but 7th round pick, not gonna complain

2024 Draft

• Ricky Pearsall (looks good) - Agree, I'd like to see him get more PT especially over Bell & Conley
• Renardo Green (looks good) - Looks like a stud in the making IMO
• Dominick Puni (stud) - Early to call him a stud, but one in the making
• Malik Mustapha (looks good) - Hard hitter, he's the future at SS, stud IMO
• Isaac Guerendo (looks good) - Another good player, good KR, good runner, he's looked promising, even if just the 3rd back
• Jacob Cowing (average, with potential) - Not mad, he obviously needs to earn playing time, but from what I've seen he has promise as a deep threat
• Jarrett Kingston (not on roster) - This pisses me off, idk why we waived him, hoping to clear, he looked good in preseason, obvious he'd get claimed, oh well.
• Tatum Bathune (backup) - Has actually looked good on STs, and I like him a lot.
  
  

The 21, 22 and 23 drafts are a huge reason why the team is in the state it is. There's no depth because of how bad those drafts were.

We're an aging, top heavy roster and this season the starters are getting wrecked with injuries, and the lack of depth is rearing it's head. This really wasn't an issue last season, as everyone was relatively healthy.

Teams are built, and maintained thru the draft, and we've done a pretty terrible job at the maintaining part. This is where the Lance trade is killing us.

It's looking like the 24 draft is showing promise, but it's still to early for the overall class.

They really need another draft like this in April to continue to rebuild that depth, and replace the old core as they start to age out.

My Comments next to the picks.

2021 is saved by Lenoir & Hufanga IMO, 2022 by Brock, simple as that, 2023 it's too early, but not good with Latu, but good with Brown, Moody has been good, not gonna base him off the 1 game he missed 3 FGs, 2024 looks promising, but too early to tell.

We also have to look at UDFAs that this regime has found, Evan Anderson, Kevin Givens, Jordan Mason all are good, I don't think their drafts have been horrible, 2017's saved by Kittle, plus first draft so not gonna fault them, 2018 saved by Warner, 2019 was great, Bosa, Deebo, Wish, & Dre are all good to great players, 2020 is saved by Aiyuk, no matter what people say I see Aiyuk coming back stronger, look at Nick, he came back from the ACL injury better, I get the holdout hurt him, but could have happened at any moment, can't blame the torn ACL on holdout, he was still working out, running routes on his own, not a fan of how he went about his business, but glad he's a 49er.

You seriously saying you are glad Burford is on this roster after his SB performance and overall s**tty play? That's a crazy statement to me.

Yeah Burford is trash. Aside Bosa no d line they have drafted has done well at all and if he did, he's no longer on the team lol

O line very similar, but these guys don't develop at all which needs to change.

Those drafts are awful, way too many misses. Thankfully, last years draft was a step in the right direction and they can build off of that this off season.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
We traded away 3 first round picks for Trey_ning Wheels Lance.

Shana_FANS never have a problem with that. We were supposed to be rebuilding the roster.

Not true. They traded 3 1st rounders but they got a first rounder in exchange so it was a swap. They actually traded away 2 first rounders which still turned out to be bad.

Looking back on that draft the Niners would have been better off trading their 1st for a future 1st since none of the QBs from that class turned out to be good. That was a bad draft because of Covid and what it did to college schedules.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Not true. They traded 3 1st rounders but they got a first rounder in exchange so it was a swap. They actually traded away 2 first rounders which still turned out to be bad.

Looking back on that draft the Niners would have been better off trading their 1st for a future 1st since none of the QBs from that class turned out to be good. That was a bad draft because of Covid and what it did to college schedules.

Or they could have stayed put at their original draft slot in 2021 and taken Parsons, Slater, etc.

Great post, OP. Sad thing is that despite the numerous bad drafting examples, if the team had managed to secure just one or two more good OL, then at least one SB is likely ours.

The 2021 draft was the height of idiocy and I called it at the time (not meaning to brag but it was obvious to even me). How is the #3 overall pick in any draft worth 3 first rounders? And to give up all that without even know who you are taking (based on their own accounting of their actions)??? And then to take a guy who hasn't proven himself against top level college talent? That whole series of stupidity was fire able IMO and I wouldn't have allowed that as the owner.

Originally posted by CardinalGold:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Not true. They traded 3 1st rounders but they got a first rounder in exchange so it was a swap. They actually traded away 2 first rounders which still turned out to be bad.

Looking back on that draft the Niners would have been better off trading their 1st for a future 1st since none of the QBs from that class turned out to be good. That was a bad draft because of Covid and what it did to college schedules.

Or they could have stayed put at their original draft slot in 2021 and taken Parsons, Slater, etc.

Great post, OP. Sad thing is that despite the numerous bad drafting examples, if the team had managed to secure just one or two more good OL, then at least one SB is likely ours.

The 2021 draft was the height of idiocy and I called it at the time (not meaning to brag but it was obvious to even me). How is the #3 overall pick in any draft worth 3 first rounders? And to give up all that without even know who you are taking (based on their own accounting of their actions)??? And then to take a guy who hasn't proven himself against top level college talent? That whole series of stupidity was fire able IMO and I wouldn't have allowed that as the owner.

They wanted a QB because JG was an injury in waiting. He couldn't be relied on so they had to find a QB. It ws just unfortunate that when they had the opportunity it was a bad draft. On some years getting that 3rd overall pick could have netted a really good QB. In 2024 they could have had Maye, Penix or Nix. All much better than Lance. 2020 theyycould hae had Herbert. 2018 they coud hav edrfted Allen or Lamar Jackson.

It always comes down to need and quality of the draft when you need a certain type of player.

Originally posted by BP13:
Those drafts are awful, way too many misses. Thankfully, last years draft was a step in the right direction and they can build off of that this off season.

yeah that's how you hollow out a team and end up with your window closed. lance deal was setting fire to so much draft capital. now the team is old without much young talent. just old and expensive and good enough not to get a good draft pick. but not good enough to win it.