QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by thl408:
If TJ surgery makes the arm stronger, as said by some pitchers, then Brock should have gotten the TJ. He'd be a better player for it. Small short term sacrifice for a long term boost. And while he's at it, get TJ surgery for his leg ligaments and make those stronger too.

Take it for what it is worth, since I am no expert and can only regurgitate what I have read prior......but......I think the medical consensus on that is that Tommy Johns does not make the arm stronger then it can be.

What it does is remove the years of wear and tear that have weakened the arm though-out the career of the pitcher.

So Tommy Johns can make a pitcher return to prior levels of velocity IE..stronger then they were last year, but not stronger in a general sense. I am sure in some cases the Pitcher adopted better mechanics and added muscle along with the degradation of his arm.....in that case a pitcher might have more velocity then he has ever produce prior to the surgery, but what I gathered is that situation is akin to a vet Pitcher getting a "new" arm to wear out, not an arm better then he was born with.

I'm sure Purdy is well aware of all this. His dad was a pitcher. His pre-draft workouts were with people that deal with pitchers and similar injuries. He also mentioned in a recent presser that he had already read a lot about both procedures. With all that is at stake, he is going to make the best long-term decision...and that may also be repair rather than TJ. In either case, it will be a well-considered choice.

Fairly certain the difference between tommy johns and repair is just ligament vs collagen tape and the fastening method.

If the tape is sutured in well I would expect it to be as strong as a human ligament or stronger. The ligament is not a muscle it's just stability. It lets him torque it more vs having a torn ucl.

In theory either surgery would only let a pitcher or thrower just torque their arm more due to stability. Maybe having perceived more "strength". It's not a muscle though so there is no real gain in torque from any kind of muscle gain.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30943085/

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Just curious, but did the first doc say he needed TJ surgery is that why he sought a second opinion???

No doctors said that according to David Lombardi. Those are false rumors. He needs the internal brace and 6 months recovery. No TJ required.

Sounds good. I'm just praying he has no setbacks and picks up where he left off!!! I'll bet if he comes back healthy, the 49ers will be in the Super Bowl in 2024, Las Vegas!!!

I could be wrong but I think the true extent of injury isn't known until they go in there and TJ could still be a possibility despite the "brace" repair news. Either way I hope for the best for Brock

Originally posted by 49ers808:
I could be wrong but I think the true extent of injury isn't known until they go in there and TJ could still be a possibility despite the "brace" repair news. Either way I hope for the best for Brock

Wrong, the MRI showed all they needed to see. No TJ.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
I could be wrong but I think the true extent of injury isn't known until they go in there and TJ could still be a possibility despite the "brace" repair news. Either way I hope for the best for Brock

Wrong, the MRI showed all the need to see. No TJ.

Dr. Mayo will see you now… at the Mayo clinic

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
I could be wrong but I think the true extent of injury isn't known until they go in there and TJ could still be a possibility despite the "brace" repair news. Either way I hope for the best for Brock

Wrong, the MRI showed all the need to see. No TJ.

Dr. Mayo will see you now… at the Mayo clinic

Originally posted by Silky:

Originally posted by 49erF90:

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:

Originally posted by Silky:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Miranda:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Purdy throws touchdowns and wins games. Fix the elbow and we go to the Super Bowl.

Purdy is the best 49ers QB since Steve Young

Let's hope so. Not putting his level of play ahead of Garcia or Kap just yet. Need to see more.

He's better than Trey and that's all you need to know.

We have no idea what Trey is. He could be Patrick Mahomes. We may never know. He just isn't getting the reps needed. He didn't get the college reps, and the injury has set him 2 years back with pro reps.

Steve Young didn't make his first Pro Bowl until he was 31. People have such a weird tendency to decide what a player is within his first few games.

We don't want to put a label on trey. But can we predict how he will perform next year with a good camp and ota? yeah. Probably not patrick mahomes, but maybe better than last year. Has he made progress on the important areas ? Delivery, self protection, accuracy, getting to read #3 and #4 in the pocket. If so, he has a future in the league with reps. Not sure it's with this team in our current situation, but he will be playing.

This is one of the tougher QB situations we'll ever see. And I didn't think it could get more awkward than the past two seasons with Jimmy and Trey.

Here we have a semi-proven commodity in Brock. I think most people fear regression back to the mean. He's what 7 or 8-1 as a starter? That is not sustainable. Will his level of play be sustainable as teams will have a full offseason to prep for him and the Niners offense? Plus he's coming off a serious injury. I personally fear regression and why we will see he was a 7th round pick. I also don't want to believe the organization brokered the future on Lance and for it to be a big flop.

Next we have Lance with a tremendous ceiling, but we haven't seen him break through yet. That's mainly due to injury. I also choose to believe the Niners coaching staff believes in him and did their homework on him during the draft. They believe he can be an elite QB, otherwise why give up all that capital? As it stands right now, I want to proceed with Lance and go all-in on him. I know that sounds crazy to some people, but we must "pick a side" eventually.

I also want the 49ers as a whole to be successful. I will be 100% behind Brock if they choose him over Lance. But this QB decision is a monumental one that will impact the next 10 years or so. It will either be a great decision that sets us up for 10 years of dominance, or we will fall back into the doldrums as a team always searching. We shall see what happens

"I personally fear regression and why we will see he was a 7th round pick"
-No, going undefeated is not sustainable but that doesn't mean regression. Brady didn't regress after getting more losses the season after the Pats only had one loss.

"I also don't want to believe the organization brokered the future on Lance and for it to be a big flop"
-You may not want to believe it but it gets more and more likely by the day. Also, see Solomon Thomas, Javon Kinlaw, Ruben Foster, and Mike McGlinchery...this team is awful at the top of the draft.

"As it stands right now, I want to proceed with Lance and go all-in on him. I know that sounds crazy to some people, but we must "pick a side" eventually."
-To each their own but I don't know how you don't go all in on Brock after what you've seen. And if you trust the coaches, it sounds like are more behind Brock than Lance. Lance's development in year 2 clearly didn't inspire any confidence in his coach or teammates.

Players weren't happy Lance got hurt but you could see a clear shift in morale and energy when Jimmy got back in, because the team had more confidence in him being able to lead and play at a pro level than they did Lance.

Even how they spoke about Lance was tepid at best "we're behind him, he's coming along, he's figuring it out, we support Lance and he's going to have a bright future."

Brock, somehow and some way, looked even better than Jimmy did this year...and JG was putting together his best season. That's remarkable. And you saw the trust Shanahan had in Brock in the playcalling. He didn't show that trust in Jimmy...and he didn't trust Lance at all. That's why he scaled back to RPO and running a high school offense for Lance.

I think the coaching staff already has a firm idea of what they have in Lance, regardless of the sample size. And his likelihood of success plummeted by missing this season and getting hurt again.

I'd love to be wrong because that means the 49ers have 2 viable QBs. But I'd be shocked if Lance is still in the league in a few years to be honest. He's missed out on far too much development at the college and pro level to recoup it now.

I believe the 49ers will give Lance all the chances and opportunities to compete for the starting QB but to say to go all in on him when we still have the SB window open, that's not going to happen. If Brock clearly comes out as the better QB, he's the starter, period. Every team in NFL at some point had to let go of their high prized draft pick/picks due to not playing to expectations, not able to reach presumed potential, and lacking in progress and development. Now, if the 49ers can afford to hold onto him for like 5 years as a back up and as a project, by all means let's keep him.

I feel like we are giving Lance the Zach Wilson treatment and that is not fair. The Jets fanbase has seen enough of Zach which was about 2 full seasons give or take a few games. They are done with him as they should be. He truly stunk it up. We barely have a 5 game synopsis on Lance and are ready to move past him? Because a truly remarkable and unprecedented thing happened with Brock?

That would be like me winning 15 spins in a row on the roulette table and i'm up $10K. The next night I go back to the casino expecting the same result. Except I wouldn't go back expecting to win 15 spins in a row because I know how unlikely that is. I hate to be a downer on Brock but i'm not ready to crown him yet. It would be a monumental disaster to give up on Trey only to find out Brock ain't it. Then what? We beg Lance to forgive us and should have given him the confidence right away?

Maybe my anxiety about this situation is fueled by my want for Trey to be the guy. I want him to be elite. I want him to be the franchise QB. I get that i'm basing this QB situation off of emotion and not sound logic. Of course i've seen what Brock did and how awesome he was. That's why this situation sucks that it will have to be a choice between him and Trey.

I think you're quicker to negate the proof Brock has shown in favor of a want for Trey to be something he just isn't yet...and may never be.

At best he's a complete unknown. All the words like elite, upside, etc. are irrelevant right now and based off of nothing because he's yet to be able to demonstrate anything. But the coaches and players that worked with him in training camp and know him likely already have their minds made up.

Comparing the tangible results with Purdy to complete chance at a roulette table just isn't analogous. Roulette is all luck and chance...nothing Purdy showed was flukey or indicates he won't continue playing at that level and getting even better.

I don't think these are mutually exclusive ideas and this is why the 49ers are going to proceed as follows:

1. You can keep Lance, develop him, and give him every opportunity to prove himself and beat out Purdy for the starting job
2. You ensure Purdy is healthy and if he's a full go in camp and they have to decide who gets more first-team reps...he's earned it and you give it to Purdy, knowing that he led your team to an NFC Championship game.

It's really hard to discount what Purdy has shown and the poise, intelligence, and maturity he plays with. He made the absolute most of his opportunity and has earned the right to be the team's starter until his play or Lance's determines otherwise.

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:
"I personally fear regression and why we will see he was a 7th round pick"
-No, going undefeated is not sustainable but that doesn't mean regression. Brady didn't regress after getting more losses the season after the Pats only had one loss.

"I also don't want to believe the organization brokered the future on Lance and for it to be a big flop"
-You may not want to believe it but it gets more and more likely by the day. Also, see Solomon Thomas, Javon Kinlaw, Ruben Foster, and Mike McGlinchery...this team is awful at the top of the draft.

"As it stands right now, I want to proceed with Lance and go all-in on him. I know that sounds crazy to some people, but we must "pick a side" eventually."
-To each their own but I don't know how you don't go all in on Brock after what you've seen. And if you trust the coaches, it sounds like are more behind Brock than Lance. Lance's development in year 2 clearly didn't inspire any confidence in his coach or teammates.

Players weren't happy Lance got hurt but you could see a clear shift in morale and energy when Jimmy got back in, because the team had more confidence in him being able to lead and play at a pro level than they did Lance.

Even how they spoke about Lance was tepid at best "we're behind him, he's coming along, he's figuring it out, we support Lance and he's going to have a bright future."

Brock, somehow and some way, looked even better than Jimmy did this year...and JG was putting together his best season. That's remarkable. And you saw the trust Shanahan had in Brock in the playcalling. He didn't show that trust in Jimmy...and he didn't trust Lance at all. That's why he scaled back to RPO and running a high school offense for Lance.

I think the coaching staff already has a firm idea of what they have in Lance, regardless of the sample size. And his likelihood of success plummeted by missing this season and getting hurt again.

I'd love to be wrong because that means the 49ers have 2 viable QBs. But I'd be shocked if Lance is still in the league in a few years to be honest. He's missed out on far too much development at the college and pro level to recoup it now.

The fact that Brady did not regress does not guarantee the Purdy will likewise not regress. I'm not implying that he will, but your euphoria over Purdy is based off a very small sample size. Garoppolo was undefeated and looked all-world in his first half season with the team. He "regressed" after only one full season of play. I'm not expecting that from Purdy, but we don't really know HOW good he is.

It gets "more and more likely by the day" that Lance will be a "flop"! Huh?! What's happening on a daily basis that is causing Lance to get worse?

Yes . . . the FO track record on first round picks has not been stellar. I have been very critical of those also. But I guess Bosa and Aiyuk are flops also. There is no Guarantee that Lance will be everything the coaches expect or hope for, and I'm not going to deny that I was also skeptical of how they went about acquiring Lance. But I don't have all the scouting reports in front of me to evaluate the decision and it may end up being an inspired choice after all. Or it may have just been a miscalculation and Purdy may well be the better choice. You just have to give it a chance to play out. Instead of creating specious narratives.

Kindly point out where the "coaches sound like they are more behind Brock than Lance". In truth, Shanahan has steadfastly refused to say that Purdy is our starting QB, even though some fans and media have been clamoring for him to do just that.

"Lance's development in year two CLEARLY didn't inspire any confidence in his coaches or teammates." LOL . . . after one game played in a thunderstorm! And his "probability of success has plummeted" because he got hurt and didn't play! SMH! Got any quotes to back up that assertion? Aaron Rodgers sat for three years and played zero regular season games. Turned out just fine.

That implication about players were secretly pleased that Lance got injured, has no basis in reality. It's just something that you've conjured up to support your obvious bias. Players voiced their support of Lance during his stint as Number I. Just like they supported Jimmy when he took over. That's what teammates do. But don't let that stop you from drawing "obvious" conclusions.

You have no idea about the amount of "trust" Shanahan had in Lance. An educated guess might lead one to believe that the coach was drawing up plays that exploited a player's strengths. Or that the coach was experimenting with what strategies he could devise under real game conditions. No . . . you just "know" that the coach didn't trust his anointed QB and was deliberately sabotaging the team's chances of success.

Let's be honest: You wouldn't "love to be wrong", because if you are, you're going to look awfully witless after making all the insubstantiable statements you've made supporting your "insights". I'd say that you're pretty much invested in Lance failing.

Originally posted by Rsrkshn:

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:
"I personally fear regression and why we will see he was a 7th round pick"
-No, going undefeated is not sustainable but that doesn't mean regression. Brady didn't regress after getting more losses the season after the Pats only had one loss.

"I also don't want to believe the organization brokered the future on Lance and for it to be a big flop"
-You may not want to believe it but it gets more and more likely by the day. Also, see Solomon Thomas, Javon Kinlaw, Ruben Foster, and Mike McGlinchery...this team is awful at the top of the draft.

"As it stands right now, I want to proceed with Lance and go all-in on him. I know that sounds crazy to some people, but we must "pick a side" eventually."
-To each their own but I don't know how you don't go all in on Brock after what you've seen. And if you trust the coaches, it sounds like are more behind Brock than Lance. Lance's development in year 2 clearly didn't inspire any confidence in his coach or teammates.

Players weren't happy Lance got hurt but you could see a clear shift in morale and energy when Jimmy got back in, because the team had more confidence in him being able to lead and play at a pro level than they did Lance.

Even how they spoke about Lance was tepid at best "we're behind him, he's coming along, he's figuring it out, we support Lance and he's going to have a bright future."

Brock, somehow and some way, looked even better than Jimmy did this year...and JG was putting together his best season. That's remarkable. And you saw the trust Shanahan had in Brock in the playcalling. He didn't show that trust in Jimmy...and he didn't trust Lance at all. That's why he scaled back to RPO and running a high school offense for Lance.

I think the coaching staff already has a firm idea of what they have in Lance, regardless of the sample size. And his likelihood of success plummeted by missing this season and getting hurt again.

I'd love to be wrong because that means the 49ers have 2 viable QBs. But I'd be shocked if Lance is still in the league in a few years to be honest. He's missed out on far too much development at the college and pro level to recoup it now.

The fact that Brady did not regress does not guarantee the Purdy will likewise not regress. I'm not implying that he will, but your euphoria over Purdy is based off a very small sample size. Garoppolo was undefeated and looked all-world in his first half season with the team. He "regressed" after only one full season of play. I'm not expecting that from Purdy, but we don't really know HOW good he is.

It gets "more and more likely by the day" that Lance will be a "flop"! Huh?! What's happening on a daily basis that is causing Lance to get worse?

Yes . . . the FO track record on first round picks has not been stellar. I have been very critical of those also. But I guess Bosa and Aiyuk are flops also. There is no Guarantee that Lance will be everything the coaches expect or hope for, and I'm not going to deny that I was also skeptical of how they went about acquiring Lance. But I don't have all the scouting reports in front of me to evaluate the decision and it may end up being an inspired choice after all. Or it may have just been a miscalculation and Purdy may well be the better choice. You just have to give it a chance to play out. Instead of creating specious narratives.

Kindly point out where the "coaches sound like they are more behind Brock than Lance". In truth, Shanahan has steadfastly refused to say that Purdy is our starting QB, even though some fans and media have been clamoring for him to do just that.

"Lance's development in year two CLEARLY didn't inspire any confidence in his coaches or teammates." LOL . . . after one game played in a thunderstorm! And his "probability of success has plummeted" because he got hurt and didn't play! SMH! Got any quotes to back up that assertion? Aaron Rodgers sat for three years and played zero regular season games. Turned out just fine.

That implication about players were secretly pleased that Lance got injured, has no basis in reality. It's just something that you've conjured up to support your obvious bias. Players voiced their support of Lance during his stint as Number I. Just like they supported Jimmy when he took over. That's what teammates do. But don't let that stop you from drawing "obvious" conclusions.

You have no idea about the amount of "trust" Shanahan had in Lance. An educated guess might lead one to believe that the coach was drawing up plays that exploited a player's strengths. Or that the coach was experimenting with what strategies he could devise under real game conditions. No . . . you just "know" that the coach didn't trust his anointed QB and was deliberately sabotaging the team's chances of success.

Let's be honest: You wouldn't "love to be wrong", because if you are, you're going to look awfully witless after making all the insubstantiable statements you've made supporting your "insights". I'd say that you're pretty much invested in Lance failing.

I mean there were reports of Warner chewing up Lance and getting on him. Warner meanwhile heaped praise on Brock and said they got to where they were because of him.

at the end of the day, I want whoever the best qb is to be starting. We know what Brock showed in an 8 game sample size including two playoff wins during a rookie year in which he was forced into action.

Lance and Rodgers sitting aren't a great comparison. Rodgers was far more seasoned and had a significant college career. And he only sat because he was behind Favre. They also sat and drafted him at the end of the first vs moving three picks for him to be the guy.

im not pulling for one over the other. I want whoever gives Sf the chance to finally win a super bowl. We saw Brock get close and elevate the offense's efficiency and scoring. That's a much more known quantity than Lance that's all I'm saying.

Id love for Lance to succeed, I'm not saying he can't but my personal opinion is that I don't see it happening or at least is far less likely than him stumbling due to all the circumstances.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
I could be wrong but I think the true extent of injury isn't known until they go in there and TJ could still be a possibility despite the "brace" repair news. Either way I hope for the best for Brock

Wrong, the MRI showed all they needed to see. No TJ.

Lol you even read what I wrote mayo? MRI's don't always tell the whole story, nothing is more sure than when you actually get in there. That's not debatable

Originally posted by Kolohe:

We don't know what we don't know.......

You can say something like don't read more into a statement or body language then is actually there, or say something like the player/coach didn't mean a statement in xyz sort of way...... but the truth is you have to say that pretty darn often about Trey Lance.

It would not shock me if his teammates think he is not the best option at QB right now.

Most of these guys walk on eggshells when they talk to the media, It is not like we are talking about T.O here....most these guys are not off running their mouth.

I know I absolutely got the vibe that the team was elated when Jimmy J went back on the field in game 2. So when we have different tidbits come out, like Shanny talking about how difficult it ended up being getting a young QB with limited games under his belt up to speed, or someone saying like "hey when Brock is in we have to fully run our routs because no telling when he will throw the ball" it does sort of paint a picture we are not looking at Trey Lance just having a lack of opportunity, but possibly him just not being equal to other QBs on the roster at this point in his career.

I didn't watch that whole video but the guy did touch on a key point. Guys want to keep their jobs. Guys on offense want to be thrown to, they don't want 3 and outs, the want the best QB to help them keep their job and get paid. Guys on defense want the defense to stay off the field, they also don't want a ton of 3 and outs to the point they end up tired and making mistakes they get blamed for....

It would not shock me if right now they think the best option is Brock.

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
I could be wrong but I think the true extent of injury isn't known until they go in there and TJ could still be a possibility despite the "brace" repair news. Either way I hope for the best for Brock

Wrong, the MRI showed all they needed to see. No TJ.

Lol you even read what I wrote mayo? MRI's don't always tell the whole story, nothing is more sure than when you actually get in there. That's not debatable

Yeah, I read it, I just think the doctors feel that they don't need to go in to determine any further damage.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

That's common sense to almost everybody.

My biggest fear for Brock is if he loses his arm strength and becomes a more mobile Nick Mullens