QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by 49erF90:

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:

Originally posted by Silky:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Miranda:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Purdy throws touchdowns and wins games. Fix the elbow and we go to the Super Bowl.

Purdy is the best 49ers QB since Steve Young

Let's hope so. Not putting his level of play ahead of Garcia or Kap just yet. Need to see more.

He's better than Trey and that's all you need to know.

We have no idea what Trey is. He could be Patrick Mahomes. We may never know. He just isn't getting the reps needed. He didn't get the college reps, and the injury has set him 2 years back with pro reps.

Steve Young didn't make his first Pro Bowl until he was 31. People have such a weird tendency to decide what a player is within his first few games.

We don't want to put a label on trey. But can we predict how he will perform next year with a good camp and ota? yeah. Probably not patrick mahomes, but maybe better than last year. Has he made progress on the important areas ? Delivery, self protection, accuracy, getting to read #3 and #4 in the pocket. If so, he has a future in the league with reps. Not sure it's with this team in our current situation, but he will be playing.

This is one of the tougher QB situations we'll ever see. And I didn't think it could get more awkward than the past two seasons with Jimmy and Trey.

Here we have a semi-proven commodity in Brock. I think most people fear regression back to the mean. He's what 7 or 8-1 as a starter? That is not sustainable. Will his level of play be sustainable as teams will have a full offseason to prep for him and the Niners offense? Plus he's coming off a serious injury. I personally fear regression and why we will see he was a 7th round pick. I also don't want to believe the organization brokered the future on Lance and for it to be a big flop.

Next we have Lance with a tremendous ceiling, but we haven't seen him break through yet. That's mainly due to injury. I also choose to believe the Niners coaching staff believes in him and did their homework on him during the draft. They believe he can be an elite QB, otherwise why give up all that capital? As it stands right now, I want to proceed with Lance and go all-in on him. I know that sounds crazy to some people, but we must "pick a side" eventually.

I also want the 49ers as a whole to be successful. I will be 100% behind Brock if they choose him over Lance. But this QB decision is a monumental one that will impact the next 10 years or so. It will either be a great decision that sets us up for 10 years of dominance, or we will fall back into the doldrums as a team always searching. We shall see what happens

"I personally fear regression and why we will see he was a 7th round pick"
-No, going undefeated is not sustainable but that doesn't mean regression. Brady didn't regress after getting more losses the season after the Pats only had one loss.

"I also don't want to believe the organization brokered the future on Lance and for it to be a big flop"
-You may not want to believe it but it gets more and more likely by the day. Also, see Solomon Thomas, Javon Kinlaw, Ruben Foster, and Mike McGlinchery...this team is awful at the top of the draft.

"As it stands right now, I want to proceed with Lance and go all-in on him. I know that sounds crazy to some people, but we must "pick a side" eventually."
-To each their own but I don't know how you don't go all in on Brock after what you've seen. And if you trust the coaches, it sounds like are more behind Brock than Lance. Lance's development in year 2 clearly didn't inspire any confidence in his coach or teammates.

Players weren't happy Lance got hurt but you could see a clear shift in morale and energy when Jimmy got back in, because the team had more confidence in him being able to lead and play at a pro level than they did Lance.

Even how they spoke about Lance was tepid at best "we're behind him, he's coming along, he's figuring it out, we support Lance and he's going to have a bright future."

Brock, somehow and some way, looked even better than Jimmy did this year...and JG was putting together his best season. That's remarkable. And you saw the trust Shanahan had in Brock in the playcalling. He didn't show that trust in Jimmy...and he didn't trust Lance at all. That's why he scaled back to RPO and running a high school offense for Lance.

I think the coaching staff already has a firm idea of what they have in Lance, regardless of the sample size. And his likelihood of success plummeted by missing this season and getting hurt again.

I'd love to be wrong because that means the 49ers have 2 viable QBs. But I'd be shocked if Lance is still in the league in a few years to be honest. He's missed out on far too much development at the college and pro level to recoup it now.

I believe the 49ers will give Lance all the chances and opportunities to compete for the starting QB but to say to go all in on him when we still have the SB window open, that's not going to happen. If Brock clearly comes out as the better QB, he's the starter, period. Every team in NFL at some point had to let go of their high prized draft pick/picks due to not playing to expectations, not able to reach presumed potential, and lacking in progress and development. Now, if the 49ers can afford to hold onto him for like 5 years as a back up and as a project, by all means let's keep him.

I feel like we are giving Lance the Zach Wilson treatment and that is not fair. The Jets fanbase has seen enough of Zach which was about 2 full seasons give or take a few games. They are done with him as they should be. He truly stunk it up. We barely have a 5 game synopsis on Lance and are ready to move past him? Because a truly remarkable and unprecedented thing happened with Brock?

That would be like me winning 15 spins in a row on the roulette table and i'm up $10K. The next night I go back to the casino expecting the same result. Except I wouldn't go back expecting to win 15 spins in a row because I know how unlikely that is. I hate to be a downer on Brock but i'm not ready to crown him yet. It would be a monumental disaster to give up on Trey only to find out Brock ain't it. Then what? We beg Lance to forgive us and should have given him the confidence right away?

Maybe my anxiety about this situation is fueled by my want for Trey to be the guy. I want him to be elite. I want him to be the franchise QB. I get that i'm basing this QB situation off of emotion and not sound logic. Of course i've seen what Brock did and how awesome he was. That's why this situation sucks that it will have to be a choice between him and Trey.

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Just curious, but did the first doc say he needed TJ surgery is that why he sought a second opinion???

No doctors said that according to David Lombardi. Those are false rumors. He needs the internal brace and 6 months recovery. No TJ required.

Originally posted by pdc20:
Purdy knows he has to do the surgery in the next few days. The guy clearly said he wanted to play in 2023. I think he just hoped that maybe by miracle he could avoid the surgery.
Purdy is not dumb. He knows that at the end of the day he´s just a 7th rounder and letting Trey Lance be the QB1 until August could be dangerous for him. There´s 99% of chance that Purdy is the starter week one but you never know with the type of player Lance is. Maybe he makes the jump. It would have been easier for Purdy to be healthy all offseason.
For now, if it´s confirmed that he doesn´t need TJ, that´s a great news.

It could be that once they go in they may change their mind about what's best. Lots of unknowns.

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:

Originally posted by Silky:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Miranda:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Purdy throws touchdowns and wins games. Fix the elbow and we go to the Super Bowl.

Purdy is the best 49ers QB since Steve Young

Let's hope so. Not putting his level of play ahead of Garcia or Kap just yet. Need to see more.

He's better than Trey and that's all you need to know.

We have no idea what Trey is. He could be Patrick Mahomes. We may never know. He just isn't getting the reps needed. He didn't get the college reps, and the injury has set him 2 years back with pro reps.

Steve Young didn't make his first Pro Bowl until he was 31. People have such a weird tendency to decide what a player is within his first few games.

We don't want to put a label on trey. But can we predict how he will perform next year with a good camp and ota? yeah. Probably not patrick mahomes, but maybe better than last year. Has he made progress on the important areas ? Delivery, self protection, accuracy, getting to read #3 and #4 in the pocket. If so, he has a future in the league with reps. Not sure it's with this team in our current situation, but he will be playing.

This is one of the tougher QB situations we'll ever see. And I didn't think it could get more awkward than the past two seasons with Jimmy and Trey.

Here we have a semi-proven commodity in Brock. I think most people fear regression back to the mean. He's what 7 or 8-1 as a starter? That is not sustainable. Will his level of play be sustainable as teams will have a full offseason to prep for him and the Niners offense? Plus he's coming off a serious injury. I personally fear regression and why we will see he was a 7th round pick. I also don't want to believe the organization brokered the future on Lance and for it to be a big flop.

Next we have Lance with a tremendous ceiling, but we haven't seen him break through yet. That's mainly due to injury. I also choose to believe the Niners coaching staff believes in him and did their homework on him during the draft. They believe he can be an elite QB, otherwise why give up all that capital? As it stands right now, I want to proceed with Lance and go all-in on him. I know that sounds crazy to some people, but we must "pick a side" eventually.

I also want the 49ers as a whole to be successful. I will be 100% behind Brock if they choose him over Lance. But this QB decision is a monumental one that will impact the next 10 years or so. It will either be a great decision that sets us up for 10 years of dominance, or we will fall back into the doldrums as a team always searching. We shall see what happens

"I personally fear regression and why we will see he was a 7th round pick"
-No, going undefeated is not sustainable but that doesn't mean regression. Brady didn't regress after getting more losses the season after the Pats only had one loss.

"I also don't want to believe the organization brokered the future on Lance and for it to be a big flop"
-You may not want to believe it but it gets more and more likely by the day. Also, see Solomon Thomas, Javon Kinlaw, Ruben Foster, and Mike McGlinchery...this team is awful at the top of the draft.

"As it stands right now, I want to proceed with Lance and go all-in on him. I know that sounds crazy to some people, but we must "pick a side" eventually."
-To each their own but I don't know how you don't go all in on Brock after what you've seen. And if you trust the coaches, it sounds like are more behind Brock than Lance. Lance's development in year 2 clearly didn't inspire any confidence in his coach or teammates.

Players weren't happy Lance got hurt but you could see a clear shift in morale and energy when Jimmy got back in, because the team had more confidence in him being able to lead and play at a pro level than they did Lance.

Even how they spoke about Lance was tepid at best "we're behind him, he's coming along, he's figuring it out, we support Lance and he's going to have a bright future."

Brock, somehow and some way, looked even better than Jimmy did this year...and JG was putting together his best season. That's remarkable. And you saw the trust Shanahan had in Brock in the playcalling. He didn't show that trust in Jimmy...and he didn't trust Lance at all. That's why he scaled back to RPO and running a high school offense for Lance.

I think the coaching staff already has a firm idea of what they have in Lance, regardless of the sample size. And his likelihood of success plummeted by missing this season and getting hurt again.

I'd love to be wrong because that means the 49ers have 2 viable QBs. But I'd be shocked if Lance is still in the league in a few years to be honest. He's missed out on far too much development at the college and pro level to recoup it now.

Pretty much this.

Suppose purdy experiences soreness and has trouble throwing on and off. Who is the best choice for back up do you think?

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by goldlame2013:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Miranda:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Purdy throws touchdowns and wins games. Fix the elbow and we go to the Super Bowl.

Purdy is the best 49ers QB since Steve Young

Let's hope so. Not putting his level of play ahead of Garcia or Kap just yet. Need to see more.

He's better than Trey and that's all you need to know.

We have no idea what Trey is. He could be Patrick Mahomes. We may never know. He just isn't getting the reps needed. He didn't get the college reps, and the injury has set him 2 years back with pro reps.

Steve Young didn't make his first Pro Bowl until he was 31. People have such a weird tendency to decide what a player is within his first few games.

Trey is talented, but a misfit for this offense. He's not a west coast offense QB. So the Mahomes comparison is way off. He's more like Steve McNair. Drop back 5 steps behind a big physical offensive line. He's not a 3 step throw quick QB.

Trey is Mahomes. Except he has no mechanics, accuracy, can't read the field and throws 48%. LOL.

Mahomes doesn't have good mechanics. He's about as unorthodox as you can get. He just has the uncanny ability to know where every receiver is when he scrambles and finds some way to get them the ball. Whether it's a deep pass, underhand toss, sidearm throw. Whatever. He can make it.

As far as completion percentage goes, Trey has only had 102 attempts. That includes the really bad game in Chicago with terrible weather conditions where he was a little over 46%. That's way too small a sample size to determine that he's not accurate. He was very accurate in college so I suspect that accuracy number will improve.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

No surgery yet for #49ers quarterback Brock Purdy. Per an orthopedic surgeon not involved in this case, the idea is to make sure conditions are as good as possible -- no swelling, etc. -- before going in and making the repair.

— Matt Barrows (@mattbarrows) February 6, 2023

So, it's going to be the repair.

Well Brady announced he's not starting with FOX until fall of 2024.....here comes the Brady to SF rumors the next few months!

Originally posted by Silky:

That would be like me winning 15 spins in a row on the roulette table and i'm up $10K. The next night I go back to the casino expecting the same result. Except I wouldn't go back expecting to win 15 spins in a row because I know how unlikely that is. I hate to be a downer on Brock but i'm not ready to crown him yet. It would be a monumental disaster to give up on Trey only to find out Brock ain't it. Then what? We beg Lance to forgive us and should have given him the confidence right away?

That is a beyond terrible analogy.......

There is a mathematical constant when you are dealing with a roulette wheel that is ALWAYS going to be stacked against you. Your best bet is 48% and the rest go down hill from there.

You have no skill or strategy to effect the outcome, you can only play or walk away....

That has no correlation to NFL QBs, any of them....including Brock or Trey.

Originally posted by Silky:
Well Brady announced he's not starting with FOX until fall of 2024.....here comes the Brady to SF rumors the next few months!

That ship has sailed along time ago and Brady is done with football.

Originally posted by thl408:
If TJ surgery makes the arm stronger, as said by some pitchers, then Brock should have gotten the TJ. He'd be a better player for it. Small short term sacrifice for a long term boost. And while he's at it, get TJ surgery for his leg ligaments and make those stronger too.

Take it for what it is worth, since I am no expert and can only regurgitate what I have read prior......but......I think the medical consensus on that is that Tommy Johns does not make the arm stronger then it can be.

What it does is remove the years of wear and tear that have weakened the arm though-out the career of the pitcher.

So Tommy Johns can make a pitcher return to prior levels of velocity IE..stronger then they were last year, but not stronger in a general sense. I am sure in some cases the Pitcher adopted better mechanics and added muscle along with the degradation of his arm.....in that case a pitcher might have more velocity then he has ever produce prior to the surgery, but what I gathered is that situation is akin to a vet Pitcher getting a "new" arm to wear out, not an arm better then he was born with.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

No surgery yet for #49ers quarterback Brock Purdy. Per an orthopedic surgeon not involved in this case, the idea is to make sure conditions are as good as possible -- no swelling, etc. -- before going in and making the repair.

— Matt Barrows (@mattbarrows) February 6, 2023

"No swelling." That is the key. Until the swelling goes down, the surgeon will not have the unrestricted access to the impacted area that he will need.

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by thl408:
If TJ surgery makes the arm stronger, as said by some pitchers, then Brock should have gotten the TJ. He'd be a better player for it. Small short term sacrifice for a long term boost. And while he's at it, get TJ surgery for his leg ligaments and make those stronger too.

Take it for what it is worth, since I am no expert and can only regurgitate what I have read prior......but......I think the medical consensus on that is that Tommy Johns does not make the arm stronger then it can be.

What it does is remove the years of wear and tear that have weakened the arm though-out the career of the pitcher.

So Tommy Johns can make a pitcher return to prior levels of velocity IE..stronger then they were last year, but not stronger in a general sense. I am sure in some cases the Pitcher adopted better mechanics and added muscle along with the degradation of his arm.....in that case a pitcher might have more velocity then he has ever produce prior to the surgery, but what I gathered is that situation is akin to a vet Pitcher getting a "new" arm to wear out, not an arm better then he was born with.

I'm sure Purdy is well aware of all this. His dad was a pitcher. His pre-draft workouts were with people that deal with pitchers and similar injuries. He also mentioned in a recent presser that he had already read a lot about both procedures. With all that is at stake, he is going to make the best long-term decision...and that may also be repair rather than TJ. In either case, it will be a well-considered choice.

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by Silky:

That would be like me winning 15 spins in a row on the roulette table and i'm up $10K. The next night I go back to the casino expecting the same result. Except I wouldn't go back expecting to win 15 spins in a row because I know how unlikely that is. I hate to be a downer on Brock but i'm not ready to crown him yet. It would be a monumental disaster to give up on Trey only to find out Brock ain't it. Then what? We beg Lance to forgive us and should have given him the confidence right away?

That is a beyond terrible analogy.......

There is a mathematical constant when you are dealing with a roulette wheel that is ALWAYS going to be stacked against you. Your best bet is 48% and the rest go down hill from there.

You have no skill or strategy to effect the outcome, you can only play or walk away....

That has no correlation to NFL QBs, any of them....including Brock or Trey.

He just needs to throw left handed.