QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

WELL, WELL, WELL

Some of us see the game on a different level.

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Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by NCommand:
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I pointed out that Purdy was throwing no-look passes from the very first game against Miami, and a few posters on here acted like I was seeing things.

But this kid is incredible. He's not your typical rookie QB.

i think hes the real deal, i just dont know how high his ceiling is

that game we are all waiting for, where he implodes for 3-4 picks i dont think is going to happen

That happens to every QB, so it will happen eventually. But it won't change my mind.

our lil brees

Just watched an ex-scout talking about Brock.....

It appears the scout, who did scout Brock... did not see his 49ers level drive on the ball in college. He did talk about how important platform is going to be for Brock, off balance, un-set type throws are going to a problem for him. If the 49ers are going to keep Brock looking down field the pocket is going to be important. If or when he fails it is going to be by getting manhandled. That all sounds generic to me...like every QB is going to have issues getting abused with no room to step into his passes.... Also the thing that stands out to him the most is comfort level. He can't think of any other rookie QB so poised and comfortable running an offense this early in their career. He does not think the playoff atmosphere is going to phase Brock. This is the best team Brock has played on, at no point did he have significantly better then average talent around him, every time he throws the ball on the 49ers the guys he is throwing too is one of the best in the NFL.

It was interesting, I was kinda listening kinda typing, it started off pretty strong talking about his footwork and NFL development then got really generic super fast. I guess it was not really that interesting after all. Yeah like no crap.... if the dude gets snapped in half several plays in a row he might not shake it off. We can say that about every QB to ever play the game.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by FunkyChicken:

Originally posted by libertyforever:
I think we want to be consistent here. If you don't like QB wins, then perhaps you should not like the number of rings a QB has to measure the QB performance either. If that is your position, maybe you can make a valid and solid argument that Dan Marino was better than Joe Montana.

QB wins and team success/ SB wins is often the reason Tom Brady is cited as 'The Goat' along with his crazy longevity.

But that is the point. For all of us Niners fans, if you think Joe Montana was GOAT (at least before Brady took the title), do you think QB wins and Rings are BS?

was Montana the caboose of those 9er teams .. no one has to bring up W/L for Montana.. you only bring up W/L when you have to prop someone up

His SB won loss record gets brought up a lot.

lol BS ..thanks for the laugh

Originally posted by Dshearn:
Just watched an ex-scout talking about Brock.....

It appears the scout, who did scout Brock... did not see his 49ers level drive on the ball in college. He did talk about how important platform is going to be for Brock, off balance, un-set type throws are going to a problem for him. If the 49ers are going to keep Brock looking down field the pocket is going to be important. If or when he fails it is going to be by getting manhandled. That all sounds generic to me...like every QB is going to have issues getting abused with no room to step into his passes.... Also the thing that stands out to him the most is comfort level. He can't think of any other rookie QB so poised and comfortable running an offense this early in their career. He does not think the playoff atmosphere is going to phase Brock. This is the best team Brock has played on, at no point did he have significantly better then average talent around him, every time he throws the ball on the 49ers the guys he is throwing too is one of the best in the NFL.

It was interesting, I was kinda listening kinda typing, it started off pretty strong talking about his footwork and NFL development then got really generic super fast. I guess it was not really that interesting after all. Yeah like no crap.... if the dude gets snapped in half several plays in a row he might not shake it off. We can say that about every QB to ever play the game.

hope it wasn't the that fake "former jets scout" lol

but ya that all sounds like boiler plate stuff for every qb that has ever played

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Brought to you by the Leprechaun!

I pointed out that Purdy was throwing no-look passes from the very first game against Miami, and a few posters on here acted like I was seeing things.

But this kid is incredible. He's not your typical rookie QB.

i think hes the real deal, i just dont know how high his ceiling is

that game we are all waiting for, where he implodes for 3-4 picks i dont think is going to happen

That happens to every QB, so it will happen eventually. But it won't change my mind.

our lil brees

Does that make Trey Lance our Phillip Rivers then?

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
our lil brees

Nah Joe burrow

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Does that make Trey Lance our Phillip Rivers then?

Hahaha

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by Dshearn:
Just watched an ex-scout talking about Brock.....

It appears the scout, who did scout Brock... did not see his 49ers level drive on the ball in college. He did talk about how important platform is going to be for Brock, off balance, un-set type throws are going to a problem for him. If the 49ers are going to keep Brock looking down field the pocket is going to be important. If or when he fails it is going to be by getting manhandled. That all sounds generic to me...like every QB is going to have issues getting abused with no room to step into his passes.... Also the thing that stands out to him the most is comfort level. He can't think of any other rookie QB so poised and comfortable running an offense this early in their career. He does not think the playoff atmosphere is going to phase Brock. This is the best team Brock has played on, at no point did he have significantly better then average talent around him, every time he throws the ball on the 49ers the guys he is throwing too is one of the best in the NFL.

It was interesting, I was kinda listening kinda typing, it started off pretty strong talking about his footwork and NFL development then got really generic super fast. I guess it was not really that interesting after all. Yeah like no crap.... if the dude gets snapped in half several plays in a row he might not shake it off. We can say that about every QB to ever play the game.

hope it wasn't the that fake "former jets scout" lol

but ya that all sounds like boiler plate stuff for every qb that has ever played

I didn't catch the team...

I thought it was going to be better then it was

The most I gleamed from it was late draft pick because of his arm. Purdy needed a perfect platform to get the ball out with any velocity, because of that angling the ball outside was going to make the ball float. He didn't exactly say this, but the gist was Purdy cannot make every throw in the NFL. The guy changed his mind after the last 5 games and thinks his ball velocity is significantly better.

He did mention Alex Smith's arm in relation to Purdy. So I am guessing he thinks they are similar.

I have no idea who the heck he is, it was a phone interview that just popped on the stream I was watching.

Real Scout, fake scout now idea... It was some John Madden level stuff

(John Madden Voice). " You see... the team that is going to win....well they have to score more points then the other team.... That's how we know they won...."

" if you want Purdy..to...be.... the best QB... you se...e this big guy..he is a DT... you can't let him put his foot in Purdy's arse... cause that's bad..... Can't throw a football with DT foot in your arse"

Yeah... John Madden......

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
our lil brees

Nah Joe burrow

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Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by NCommand:

And typically every single subjective stat has an operational definition tied to it. I'd imagine the public gets the general definition of it but within a company like PFF, it's even more detailed and there are 4-5 levels of review and consensus...meaning, there is a strong attempt at objectivity and consistency.

You and I saw this with Time to Throw with PFF and NextGen. Even though each defined this differently in raw numbers, since they were consistent, we saw the same "patterns of data."

I would be shocked if it was more than a single employee or intern who made the determination for each throw.

I respect the effort a lot. But there's so much to football.

Even within an X & O, there's intent, timing, why it's in the playbook, coaching points, goals of the play, how it's set up by another play, etc. And that's before any action takes place to grade.

https://www.pff.com/grades

Each position has its own grading rubric so our analysts know how to put a grade on the various expectations for a quarterback on a 10-yard pass beyond the sticks or what the range of grades might look like for a frontside offensive tackle down blocking on a "power" play

WHO IS DOING THE GRADING?
PFF employs over 600 full or part-time analysts, but less than 10% of analysts are trained to the level that they can grade plays. Only the top two to three percent of analysts are on the team of "senior analysts" in charge of finalizing each grade after review. Our graders have been training for months, and sometimes years, in order to learn, understand and show mastery of our process that includes our 300-page training manual and video playbook. We have analysts from all walks of life, including former players, coaches and scouts. We don't care if you played.

Thanks for the insight my dude 👍

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by FunkyChicken:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

I think we want to be consistent here. If you don't like QB wins, then perhaps you should not like the number of rings a QB has to measure the QB performance either. If that is your position, maybe you can make a valid and solid argument that Dan Marino was better than Joe Montana.

QB wins and team success/ SB wins is often the reason Tom Brady is cited as 'The Goat' along with his crazy longevity.

But that is the point. For all of us Niners fans, if you think Joe Montana was GOAT (at least before Brady took the title), do you think QB wins and Rings are BS?

was Montana the caboose of those 9er teams .. no one has to bring up W/L for Montana.. you only bring up W/L when you have to prop someone up

His SB won loss record gets brought up a lot.

lol BS ..thanks for the laugh

People talk about Montana being 4-0 all the time when talking about his greatness.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by FunkyChicken:

Originally posted by libertyforever:
I think we want to be consistent here. If you don't like QB wins, then perhaps you should not like the number of rings a QB has to measure the QB performance either. If that is your position, maybe you can make a valid and solid argument that Dan Marino was better than Joe Montana.

QB wins and team success/ SB wins is often the reason Tom Brady is cited as 'The Goat' along with his crazy longevity.

But that is the point. For all of us Niners fans, if you think Joe Montana was GOAT (at least before Brady took the title), do you think QB wins and Rings are BS?

was Montana the caboose of those 9er teams .. no one has to bring up W/L for Montana.. you only bring up W/L when you have to prop someone up

His SB won loss record gets brought up a lot.

lol BS ..thanks for the laugh

He's right though.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
This week was Brock's first noticeably less impressive games.

It's kind of funny though.. If you think about it. His worst start so far is one where, although he missed several guys and threw a pick, he still made some huge precision throws, scrambled out of pressure numerous times (he was pressured a lot), brought the team back from behind, drove the team down with just a minute left for a game winning field goal attempt, and ultimately won in a shootout where we almost put up 40 points -- something we rarely did these past few years.

And he's a seventh round rookie? Dang.

Is this a guy you can figure out? It seems like so far, the best you can do is hope to get pressure, which affects any QB, or bat balls down. He just seems to deliver in every other facet so far.

Pocket elusiveness/mobility
Quick release
Cool under defensive pressure
Calm in key situations
Adequate arm
Strong football IQ
Trusts his reads
Generally makes good decisions
Goes for the big play when available
Natural leader
Physically and mentally tough
Doesn't snowball after a mistake
High character player & humble

I have been cautiously optimistic and I'm still trying to keep some sense of that, although it's getting harder and harder to ignore the fact that the kid is checking off virtually every box there is for a franchise quarterback.

Next steps would be to be big time in big time games -- the playoffs.

1) How much of it do you equate to the super-offense he has with CMac here and Kittle now healthy? Jimmy looked pretty darn good in this CMac-infused offense as well,...the best he ever has, and that's without a training camp. So this obviously is an open-ended question. And the more important question @ hand with a guy like Purdy is....

2) As teams get more used to his game, is he already relatively close to his peak? Or does he have alot more room for growth?

youre always trying to attribute Purdy's success to others. lol. while Jimmy did look good, Purdy has elevated the offense by about 10 pts per game against better defenses.

Stop concerning yourself about what I'm personally doing when the entire post was about the potential of a rookie with a handful of starts. 49ers.

The potential of a rookie to improve is clearly a legit question.

Explain why you feel Purdy wouldn't improve?

WTF??? How did you come up with such lunacy? I asked a question and never suggested he can't improve.

Some guy's ceilings are higher than others. But please don't make up quotes that were never said or even suggested.

"The potential of a rookie to improve is clearly a legit question."

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wWC7q8Oyq7A&feature=emb_logo

Great interview with his dad. That part when he talk about dan marino and dolphins is their favorite team and how brock wears no.13 because of him and his dad predicting that brock's gonna go in in that game gives me chills. Also I realized that game was on week 13


that's some cosmic weirdness right there.