QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
This week was Brock's first noticeably less impressive games.

It's kind of funny though.. If you think about it. His worst start so far is one where, although he missed several guys and threw a pick, he still made some huge precision throws, scrambled out of pressure numerous times (he was pressured a lot), brought the team back from behind, drove the team down with just a minute left for a game winning field goal attempt, and ultimately won in a shootout where we almost put up 40 points -- something we rarely did these past few years.

And he's a seventh round rookie? Dang.

Is this a guy you can figure out? It seems like so far, the best you can do is hope to get pressure, which affects any QB, or bat balls down. He just seems to deliver in every other facet so far.

Pocket elusiveness/mobility
Quick release
Cool under defensive pressure
Calm in key situations
Adequate arm
Strong football IQ
Trusts his reads
Generally makes good decisions
Goes for the big play when available
Natural leader
Physically and mentally tough
Doesn't snowball after a mistake
High character player & humble

I have been cautiously optimistic and I'm still trying to keep some sense of that, although it's getting harder and harder to ignore the fact that the kid is checking off virtually every box there is for a franchise quarterback.

Next steps would be to be big time in big time games -- the playoffs.

1) How much of it do you equate to the super-offense he has with CMac here and Kittle now healthy? Jimmy looked pretty darn good in this CMac-infused offense as well,...the best he ever has, and that's without a training camp. So this obviously is an open-ended question. And the more important question @ hand with a guy like Purdy is....

2) As teams get more used to his game, is he already relatively close to his peak? Or does he have alot more room for growth?

youre always trying to attribute Purdy's success to others. lol. while Jimmy did look good, Purdy has elevated the offense by about 10 pts per game against better defenses.

Stop concerning yourself about what I'm personally doing when the entire post was about the potential of a rookie with a handful of starts. 49ers.

The potential of a rookie to improve is clearly a legit question.

Explain why you feel Purdy wouldn't improve?

WTF??? How did you come up with such lunacy? I asked a question and never suggested he can't improve.

Some guy's ceilings are higher than others. But please don't make up quotes that were never said or even suggested.

"The potential of a rookie to improve is clearly a legit question."

Do we view any similarities with Brocks first handful of games and Jimmy's?

Originally posted by Dshearn:
Just watched an ex-scout talking about Brock.....

It appears the scout, who did scout Brock... did not see his 49ers level drive on the ball in college. He did talk about how important platform is going to be for Brock, off balance, un-set type throws are going to a problem for him. If the 49ers are going to keep Brock looking down field the pocket is going to be important. If or when he fails it is going to be by getting manhandled. That all sounds generic to me...like every QB is going to have issues getting abused with no room to step into his passes.... Also the thing that stands out to him the most is comfort level. He can't think of any other rookie QB so poised and comfortable running an offense this early in their career. He does not think the playoff atmosphere is going to phase Brock. This is the best team Brock has played on, at no point did he have significantly better then average talent around him, every time he throws the ball on the 49ers the guys he is throwing too is one of the best in the NFL.

It was interesting, I was kinda listening kinda typing, it started off pretty strong talking about his footwork and NFL development then got really generic super fast. I guess it was not really that interesting after all. Yeah like no crap.... if the dude gets snapped in half several plays in a row he might not shake it off. We can say that about every QB to ever play the game.

The bold is absolutely thee most impressive thing for me about Purdy so far.

Originally posted by FunkyChicken:
Do we view any similarities with Brocks first handful of games and Jimmy's?

The comparison would have to be NE games, even then Jimmy G didn't start until has 3rd season in the league, which means he had plenty of time to get ready for the NFL.

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by Dshearn:
Just watched an ex-scout talking about Brock.....

It appears the scout, who did scout Brock... did not see his 49ers level drive on the ball in college. He did talk about how important platform is going to be for Brock, off balance, un-set type throws are going to a problem for him. If the 49ers are going to keep Brock looking down field the pocket is going to be important. If or when he fails it is going to be by getting manhandled. That all sounds generic to me...like every QB is going to have issues getting abused with no room to step into his passes.... Also the thing that stands out to him the most is comfort level. He can't think of any other rookie QB so poised and comfortable running an offense this early in their career. He does not think the playoff atmosphere is going to phase Brock. This is the best team Brock has played on, at no point did he have significantly better then average talent around him, every time he throws the ball on the 49ers the guys he is throwing too is one of the best in the NFL.

It was interesting, I was kinda listening kinda typing, it started off pretty strong talking about his footwork and NFL development then got really generic super fast. I guess it was not really that interesting after all. Yeah like no crap.... if the dude gets snapped in half several plays in a row he might not shake it off. We can say that about every QB to ever play the game.

The bold is absolutely thee most impressive thing for me about Purdy so far.

I agree. There are rookies who flash their arm talent, mobility and scrambling speed, and etc, but I don't think any rookie QB was ever is as ready to play in the NFL as Purdy.

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by FunkyChicken:
Do we view any similarities with Brocks first handful of games and Jimmy's?

The comparison would have to be NE games, even then Jimmy G didn't start until has 3rd season in the league, which means he had plenty of time to get ready for the NFL.

I was thinking to the 2017 SF games. I guess the comp would be comparing the first however many starts as a 49er.

Originally posted by FunkyChicken:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by FunkyChicken:
Do we view any similarities with Brocks first handful of games and Jimmy's?

The comparison would have to be NE games, even then Jimmy G didn't start until has 3rd season in the league, which means he had plenty of time to get ready for the NFL.

I was thinking to the 2017 SF games. I guess the comp would be comparing the first however many starts as a 49er.

Jimmy G didn't really know the playbook. He was playing backyard football. So I don't think any comparison would be meaningful.

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by FunkyChicken:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by FunkyChicken:
Do we view any similarities with Brocks first handful of games and Jimmy's?

The comparison would have to be NE games, even then Jimmy G didn't start until has 3rd season in the league, which means he had plenty of time to get ready for the NFL.

I was thinking to the 2017 SF games. I guess the comp would be comparing the first however many starts as a 49er.

Jimmy G didn't really know the playbook. He was playing backyard football. So I don't think any comparison would be meaningful.

I see. Perhaps this is why they didn't give him a playbook recently. Trying to get that old magic back.

Originally posted by boast:
Niner Talk told me QB WINS are team stat so i guess TOWPs are too.

horrible take at best

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by boast:
so teams with poor OLs will have a greater influence on a QBs TOWP percentage because the QB is constantly getting pressured and create more chances for getting the ball loose.

You could say the same thing about INT's. Fumbles will always be charged to the player holding the ball and rightfully so.

Fumbles are an actual outcome recorded as a statistic.

Okay?

No clue what's going on here.

Several threads bickering about stats.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by boast:
so teams with poor OLs will have a greater influence on a QBs TOWP percentage because the QB is constantly getting pressured and create more chances for getting the ball loose.

You could say the same thing about INT's.

Niner Talk told me QB WINS are team stat so i guess TOWPs are too.

Wtf are QB wins? Wins are a team stat.

PFR lists the QBs record as a statistic associated with the QB, so do many other stat sites.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PurdBr00.htm

I must be blind so please forgive me but I do not see a win/loss column on that link you provided.

Under the passing section it says QBrec. But it's not a QB stat but unfortunately people need to associate a team accomplishment to a single person. Same with baseball a pitcher gets credit for a win even if the batters scored 12 runs in the first inning and said pitcher gives up 9 runs in the first but if they ultimately win he gets the "win"

Your point is understood and true, but the W/L column of a pitcher is much more valid in comparisons, actually, since @ least he's not allowed to be responsible for scoring and his job is specifically to be the only one throw the ball @ batters to prevent scoring.

You have QBs getting "wins" for the scoring efforts of RBs on one team,...and the actual efforts of the QB on another team. So it's just a complete mess of a stat.

If anything, it's just a reference point. In that regard, it's cool.

But people here try to use it to win arguments over the player's effectiveness playing the game. A complete mess.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
There's plenty of pointless stats. 3rd down sacks, TTT, anything PFF scores. It's about being honest about it.

Lol no sense in calling them pointless, because the stats (and the "references" used as stats) are never the problem. How you want to go about USING them in comparison to another individual's use of them is the problem.

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

This week was Brock's first noticeably less impressive games.

It's kind of funny though.. If you think about it. His worst start so far is one where, although he missed several guys and threw a pick, he still made some huge precision throws, scrambled out of pressure numerous times (he was pressured a lot), brought the team back from behind, drove the team down with just a minute left for a game winning field goal attempt, and ultimately won in a shootout where we almost put up 40 points -- something we rarely did these past few years.

And he's a seventh round rookie? Dang.

Is this a guy you can figure out? It seems like so far, the best you can do is hope to get pressure, which affects any QB, or bat balls down. He just seems to deliver in every other facet so far.

Pocket elusiveness/mobility
Quick release
Cool under defensive pressure
Calm in key situations
Adequate arm
Strong football IQ
Trusts his reads
Generally makes good decisions
Goes for the big play when available
Natural leader
Physically and mentally tough
Doesn't snowball after a mistake
High character player & humble

I have been cautiously optimistic and I'm still trying to keep some sense of that, although it's getting harder and harder to ignore the fact that the kid is checking off virtually every box there is for a franchise quarterback.

Next steps would be to be big time in big time games -- the playoffs.

1) How much of it do you equate to the super-offense he has with CMac here and Kittle now healthy? Jimmy looked pretty darn good in this CMac-infused offense as well,...the best he ever has, and that's without a training camp. So this obviously is an open-ended question. And the more important question @ hand with a guy like Purdy is....

2) As teams get more used to his game, is he already relatively close to his peak? Or does he have alot more room for growth?

youre always trying to attribute Purdy's success to others. lol. while Jimmy did look good, Purdy has elevated the offense by about 10 pts per game against better defenses.

Stop concerning yourself about what I'm personally doing when the entire post was about the potential of a rookie with a handful of starts. 49ers.

The potential of a rookie to improve is clearly a legit question.

Explain why you feel Purdy wouldn't improve?

WTF??? How did you come up with such lunacy? I asked a question and never suggested he can't improve.

Some guy's ceilings are higher than others. But please don't make up quotes that were never said or even suggested.

"The potential of a rookie to improve is clearly a legit question."

Some people think it is a legit question for one QB but not another apparently.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Trey Lance's replacement. lol

Only a matter of time before we see fans cheering for Purdy.

Lmao this was from the first page. Gave me a good laugh! Fortune tellers!