QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
They had tape on him last year, the Seahawks even got to go at him in the playoffs after having plenty of tape on him. Bill Belichick says by the third or fourth game there's plenty of tape to get a feel for what someone can and can't do. Most qbs improve year two, not regress. Why would you think he would get worse after having time to learn more of the offense? That seems unlikely.

It's an interesting concept where someone apparently can only regress while the other person is assumed to get better. I guess Purdy can into the league at his top potential already.

Originally posted by Overkill:
Spending a year with Kyle isn't the worst idea in the world when there are several teams out there running the same system that may be looking for starters next year.

Also, I think the guy needed a break from the pressure. A chance to focus on how to be a pro without the rest of the noise. His challenges have been mental.

A bit off topic, but Kyle's offense is getting pretty popular in both college and the pros. Nice thing about college popularity that as more teams run a version of his offense, it should be easier on the 49er scouts to find college players for Kyle to draft.

I belive the Air Raid offense is a simplified version of the WCO and Pat Mahomes was found from a college that runs Air Raid. Now Pat runs Andy Reid's juggernaut WCO derivative in KC.

Originally posted by Giedi:
A bit off topic, but Kyle's offense is getting pretty popular in both college and the pros. Nice thing about college popularity that as more teams run a version of his offense, it should be easier on the 49er scouts to find college players for Kyle to draft.

I belive the Air Raid offense is a simplified version of the WCO and Pat Mahomes was found from a college that runs Air Raid. Now Pat runs Andy Reid's juggernaut WCO derivative in KC.

That's actually interesting and a good point. Will be easier to target prospects. I know michigan and Alabama use some of the same concepts, and I grabbed two players from them this draft - maybe that's why they wanted them, so then executing what we will ask them.

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Maybe darnold didn't want to? Signing a multi year deal when you're not the starter, and you want to be, doesn't sound like a good plan.

He could be coming here to revitalize his career. Get some great coaching, play with some great players, learn. If he doesn't play a snap this year, it'll bode well for him next year because the teams will know the coaching he got here. He still could resign. Lol

Ding ding ding. There's at least two sides to a contractual agreement.

And you are speculating on that just as much as I am.

It is a matter of which side make sense. Of course we are all speculating since we are not the person directly involved in the contract negotiation. But your take that the team doesn't like Darnold very much because it was a one year contract just doesn't make much sense without looking at what Darnold wants out of this.

I never said that the team doesn't like Sam. Why do you all keep saying I said that? I said that they're is a possibility that they didn't like Sam enough to give him a multi year deal. They also are not showing any favorites toward Sam. It is still early and things could change but they are what they are atm.

I don't understand why you think the team hates darnold?… 😈😈

I hope they don't show darnold any favoritism. I want it to be a true open competition between them. Let two talented young guys duke it out. It'll make them better. I think Lance has experienced some positive ups and downs already in camp. He's responded well. I feel like he needs this competition. He didn't really have that his first two years in a real way, like this one. I believe it'll make him better. If it doesn't, then we know he isn't the guy.

I am team Trey over Sam but not team Trey over Brock. If the FO didn't like Sam, they wouldn't have signed him at all let alone offer him the money that they did. I just don't understand the fan or media love affair over a 3rd string journey man QB that has had 10x as many starts as Trey to prove he is not a starter in this league. That and he wasn't drafted by the 49ers and that maybe means more to me than most.

Trey's issues have been more physical than mental where Sam's has been the opposite. Trey's mechanics have improved by a significant amount by all reports from camp. Has Sam's processing, pocket awareness and vision improved? We'll just have to wait and see two Sundays from now.

Darnold is a 3rd string caliber QB? I think you are way too hard on him. He is competing for the QB2 job as far as I can tell.

He is competing and so far is behind by all indications.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Giedi:
A bit off topic, but Kyle's offense is getting pretty popular in both college and the pros. Nice thing about college popularity that as more teams run a version of his offense, it should be easier on the 49er scouts to find college players for Kyle to draft.

I belive the Air Raid offense is a simplified version of the WCO and Pat Mahomes was found from a college that runs Air Raid. Now Pat runs Andy Reid's juggernaut WCO derivative in KC.

That's actually interesting and a good point. Will be easier to target prospects. I know michigan and Alabama use some of the same concepts, and I grabbed two players from them this draft - maybe that's why they wanted them, so then executing what we will ask them.

Yup, Trey was from a College that ran a version of Kyle's offense.

Another off topic point - I was reading John Madden's bio a few years ago. He mentioned being at a clinic with Vince Lombardi. Vince talked for 8 hours on *one* play - the Green Bay sweep. One day, at a university library, I found a copy of Vince's lecture on the green bay sweep, there were like 12 pages on one position (the Tight End) on that play. It went through every variation against a four man line, three man line, blitz situations, overloads, etc... The TE's alignment - a foot here or there, closer or further, made a huge difference in the success of the play.

One example was if the DE lined up too far wide to prevent the Sweep, the Tackle and TE would double the DE. If the DE lined up inside too much to prevent the trap play, the Tackle would pull outside as the TE down blocked the DE. Vice would ask the TE to basically line up inches from the Tackle in those situations, and then have the Fullback actually step a couple of feet (cheat in a sense) closer to the LOS, to get to the LB quicker on those plays where the defense is focused on stopping the inside game. etc... it was fascinating.

I can only imagine all the adjustments the players have to make on Kyle's base play - the Boot action fake to the RB with the TE faking a block and going on a drag route. Just that one play in Kyle's system, I bet, has a hundred adjustments.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Giedi:
A bit off topic, but Kyle's offense is getting pretty popular in both college and the pros. Nice thing about college popularity that as more teams run a version of his offense, it should be easier on the 49er scouts to find college players for Kyle to draft.

I belive the Air Raid offense is a simplified version of the WCO and Pat Mahomes was found from a college that runs Air Raid. Now Pat runs Andy Reid's juggernaut WCO derivative in KC.

That's actually interesting and a good point. Will be easier to target prospects. I know michigan and Alabama use some of the same concepts, and I grabbed two players from them this draft - maybe that's why they wanted them, so then executing what we will ask them.

Oddly enough that reminds me of OG Bill Walsh. By the mid 90's every defense was built to combat the West Coast offense. So Kyle will need to think ahead because his offense is literally everywhere now. I think he has been adjusting quite well by bulking up the lineman a bit and obviously running like mad to wear defenses out as they tend to be faster, but lighter today although almost every player today is a huge fast freak. It mostly works, but the game today is all geared for passing, rules included so coaches cant just flip back to I-form and pound the ball to counter a faster defense anymore.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Giedi:
A bit off topic, but Kyle's offense is getting pretty popular in both college and the pros. Nice thing about college popularity that as more teams run a version of his offense, it should be easier on the 49er scouts to find college players for Kyle to draft.

I belive the Air Raid offense is a simplified version of the WCO and Pat Mahomes was found from a college that runs Air Raid. Now Pat runs Andy Reid's juggernaut WCO derivative in KC.

That's actually interesting and a good point. Will be easier to target prospects. I know michigan and Alabama use some of the same concepts, and I grabbed two players from them this draft - maybe that's why they wanted them, so then executing what we will ask them.

Oddly enough that reminds me of OG Bill Walsh. By the mid 90's every defense was built to combat the West Coast offense. So Kyle will need to think ahead because his offense is literally everywhere now. I think he has been adjusting quite well by bulking up the lineman a bit and obviously running like mad to wear defenses out as they tend to be faster, but lighter today although almost every player today is a huge fast freak. It mostly works, but the game today is all geared for passing, rules included so coaches cant just flip back to I-form and pound the ball to counter a faster defense anymore.

I think that is the reason why we have began to see more and more inside runs over the past few seasons.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Giedi:
A bit off topic, but Kyle's offense is getting pretty popular in both college and the pros. Nice thing about college popularity that as more teams run a version of his offense, it should be easier on the 49er scouts to find college players for Kyle to draft.

I belive the Air Raid offense is a simplified version of the WCO and Pat Mahomes was found from a college that runs Air Raid. Now Pat runs Andy Reid's juggernaut WCO derivative in KC.

That's actually interesting and a good point. Will be easier to target prospects. I know michigan and Alabama use some of the same concepts, and I grabbed two players from them this draft - maybe that's why they wanted them, so then executing what we will ask them.

Oddly enough that reminds me of OG Bill Walsh. By the mid 90's every defense was built to combat the West Coast offense. So Kyle will need to think ahead because his offense is literally everywhere now. I think he has been adjusting quite well by bulking up the lineman a bit and obviously running like mad to wear defenses out as they tend to be faster, but lighter today although almost every player today is a huge fast freak. It mostly works, but the game today is all geared for passing, rules included so coaches cant just flip back to I-form and pound the ball to counter a faster defense anymore.

Agree, Kyle has adjusted his offense well. One of the key aspects of Bill's offense was the cut block - which is now - in a majority of cases, has been made illegal. The zone run was a counter to the zone blitz, in a sense. The zone blitz, in a sense, was a counter to Walsh's WCO. The game has definitely changed since Bill's time, that's for sure. Kyle's done a good job of dealing with folks countering his offense by, as you said, bulking up his OLine for more Gap/Power runs in addition to his Zone runs.

I think Kyle's ahead of everybody by at least half a decade, in a sense, because he's so brilliant offensively. One example is the QB Collective, Kyle's father's organization which Kyle is a member of, is literally about five plus years ahead of most pro scouting organizations in scouting QB's. They are already looking at QB's currently playing in High School. I view it as a high school QB version of National, BLESTO, and Quadra Scouting organizations that were established back in 1977.

Originally posted by Giedi:
Yup, Trey was from a College that ran a version of Kyle's offense.

Another off topic point - I was reading John Madden's bio a few years ago. He mentioned being at a clinic with Vince Lombardi. Vince talked for 8 hours on *one* play - the Green Bay sweep. One day, at a university library, I found a copy of Vince's lecture on the green bay sweep, there were like 12 pages on one position (the Tight End) on that play. It went through every variation against a four man line, three man line, blitz situations, overloads, etc... The TE's alignment - a foot here or there, closer or further, made a huge difference in the success of the play.

One example was if the DE lined up too far wide to prevent the Sweep, the Tackle and TE would double the DE. If the DE lined up inside too much to prevent the trap play, the Tackle would pull outside as the TE down blocked the DE. Vice would ask the TE to basically line up inches from the Tackle in those situations, and then have the Fullback actually step a couple of feet (cheat in a sense) closer to the LOS, to get to the LB quicker on those plays where the defense is focused on stopping the inside game. etc... it was fascinating.

I can only imagine all the adjustments the players have to make on Kyle's base play - the Boot action fake to the RB with the TE faking a block and going on a drag route. Just that one play in Kyle's system, I bet, has a hundred adjustments.

Damn, I didn't realize the game was that nuanced back then. It seemed so much more simple but he's a legend for a reason - explains why his teams were so ahead of everyone else back then, they had an answer for everything. You had to just beat them straight up, couldn't really out scheme them.

yeah, then kyles system must be ridiculous. He's talked about how he will go over a play for an entire meeting, just one play. That explains the little stuff they're going over.

That's why when people ask me why I love football so much , I always tell them I view it as poetry. 11 people in sync having to stop another 11 men, all the different things they have to do or can do. Just to execute one play. That's why when you see a successful offense like ours, well rounded, it's beautiful cause you can just see how much everyone has bought in and really focused on the little things.

Originally posted by Giedi:
Agree, Kyle has adjusted his offense well. One of the key aspects of Bill's offense was the cut block - which is now - in a majority of cases, has been made illegal. The zone run was a counter to the zone blitz, in a sense. The zone blitz, in a sense, was a counter to Walsh's WCO. The game has definitely changed since Bill's time, that's for sure. Kyle's done a good job of dealing with folks countering his offense by, as you said, bulking up his OLine for more Gap/Power runs in addition to his Zone runs.

I think Kyle's ahead of everybody by at least half a decade, in a sense, because he's so brilliant offensively. One example is the QB Collective, Kyle's father's organization which Kyle is a member of, is literally about five plus years ahead of most pro scouting organizations in scouting QB's. They are already looking at QB's currently playing in High School. I view it as a high school QB version of National, BLESTO, and Quadra Scouting organizations that were established back in 1977.

Their Instagram page for the qb collective posted a Brock Purdy thing, I wonder if he went to the collective

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Giedi:
A bit off topic, but Kyle's offense is getting pretty popular in both college and the pros. Nice thing about college popularity that as more teams run a version of his offense, it should be easier on the 49er scouts to find college players for Kyle to draft.

I belive the Air Raid offense is a simplified version of the WCO and Pat Mahomes was found from a college that runs Air Raid. Now Pat runs Andy Reid's juggernaut WCO derivative in KC.

That's actually interesting and a good point. Will be easier to target prospects. I know michigan and Alabama use some of the same concepts, and I grabbed two players from them this draft - maybe that's why they wanted them, so then executing what we will ask them.

Oddly enough that reminds me of OG Bill Walsh. By the mid 90's every defense was built to combat the West Coast offense. So Kyle will need to think ahead because his offense is literally everywhere now. I think he has been adjusting quite well by bulking up the lineman a bit and obviously running like mad to wear defenses out as they tend to be faster, but lighter today although almost every player today is a huge fast freak. It mostly works, but the game today is all geared for passing, rules included so coaches cant just flip back to I-form and pound the ball to counter a faster defense anymore.

Agree, Kyle has adjusted his offense well. One of the key aspects of Bill's offense was the cut block - which is now - in a majority of cases, has been made illegal. The zone run was a counter to the zone blitz, in a sense. The zone blitz, in a sense, was a counter to Walsh's WCO. The game has definitely changed since Bill's time, that's for sure. Kyle's done a good job of dealing with folks countering his offense by, as you said, bulking up his OLine for more Gap/Power runs in addition to his Zone runs.

I think Kyle's ahead of everybody by at least half a decade, in a sense, because he's so brilliant offensively. One example is the QB Collective, Kyle's father's organization which Kyle is a member of, is literally about five plus years ahead of most pro scouting organizations in scouting QB's. They are already looking at QB's currently playing in High School. I view it as a high school QB version of National, BLESTO, and Quadra Scouting organizations that were established back in 1977.

Another oddity, QB seems to be the one position he hasn't nailed down yet He is finicky as hell with these qb's.

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Check that. It looks like Brock Purdy will be going today after all. Perhaps he will be a full go from here on out. #49ers https://t.co/aTMWysZY8F

— Jack Hammer (@JackHammer_NFL) August 3, 2023

HOLY

Just to break up some of this QB talk...if you want to laugh and feel good about Brock's first game last season this is worth a watch, especially knowing what happened in this game.

Absolutely hilarious

The amount of disrespect this guy gets is outrageous. Because he doesn't fit a combine height, weight, speed profile. Plus his draft status.

Steve Smith really says it best. it's not about all that stuff. Look at how he easily and quickly goes through reads and progressions. He makes the right decisions. He has good mechanics and throws an accurate ball. He has great confidence and the team behind him. You can win with Brock Purdy. He's much better than where he was drafted and the best guy on this team in years.