QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Now you are trying to take this to the extreme but I will continue to play along. Of course Trey hasn't lived up to his draft status thus far. I said that Darnold was brought here to challenge Trey. Because he sure wasn't brought here to challenge Brock. As it stands now, all arrows point to Trey being a head of Darnold. Even if its only by a small margin. But ALL indications are there plain as day. You just choose to keep ingonring them.

I'm not ignoring the evidence you're citing, nor am I going to extremes by pointing out what is actually happening. I'm not putting as much weight into those things as you are, and I'm putting more weight into other evidence.

You're reading too much into insignificant details, and ignoring more significant details, in my opinion.

It means very little to me that Trey is 1st up and getting an extra rep or two per practice. There can be a variety of other explanations beyond your conclusion that Trey is ahead of Sam. It's also just a week into camp. I'm drawing zero conclusions about that competition at this point.

And this is really tangent to the point of the bulk of our discussion… which really centered around whether the team likes Darnold beyond being an insurance policy. I think indications are they do.

What are these indications? What are the more significant details? Would you still hold this as insignificant if Sam was the one a head of Trey?If your indications are the positive comments by Kyle, Brian, John and Sam's team mates? You could say there are indications for everyone of our QB's. No one has spoken a negative thing about any of them.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I haven't followed your guys discussion, but I just want to give props to YAC since he's one of the very few I've seen actually fight for both Trey and Jimmy. It's usually one or the other for most… which has never made sense to me if you're about fairness.

So regardless if I agree with him or not, it's nice to see that.

How about being critical of both?!

(Lol, I give more of a pass to Trey for his less than desirable play)

I promise you guys I'm objective. I'll reference my track record of putting the pieces together, though it's not always correct.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
What are these indications? What are the more significant details? Would you still hold this as insignificant if Sam was the one a head of Trey?If your indications are the positive comments by Kyle, Brian, John and Sam's team mates? You could say there are indications for everyone of our QB's. No one has spoken a negative thing about any of them.

As for as what they are saying, I put very little stock in it unless it lines up with their actions. Like pretty much zero stock.

Beyond that I have described the details you're asking about both in this conversation and several others.

And yes, I would put zero stock in Sam being 1st up and getting an extra rep or two, because I view it as insignificant. I'm not lying to you, brother.

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Maybe darnold didn't want to? Signing a multi year deal when you're not the starter, and you want to be, doesn't sound like a good plan.

He could be coming here to revitalize his career. Get some great coaching, play with some great players, learn. If he doesn't play a snap this year, it'll bode well for him next year because the teams will know the coaching he got here. He still could resign. Lol

Ding ding ding. There's at least two sides to a contractual agreement.

And you are speculating on that just as much as I am.

It is a matter of which side make sense. Of course we are all speculating since we are not the person directly involved in the contract negotiation. But your take that the team doesn't like Darnold very much because it was a one year contract just doesn't make much sense without looking at what Darnold wants out of this.

I never said that the team doesn't like Sam. Why do you all keep saying I said that? I said that they're is a possibility that they didn't like Sam enough to give him a multi year deal. They also are not showing any favorites toward Sam. It is still early and things could change but they are what they are atm.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Maybe darnold didn't want to? Signing a multi year deal when you're not the starter, and you want to be, doesn't sound like a good plan.

He could be coming here to revitalize his career. Get some great coaching, play with some great players, learn. If he doesn't play a snap this year, it'll bode well for him next year because the teams will know the coaching he got here. He still could resign. Lol

Ding ding ding. There's at least two sides to a contractual agreement.

And you are speculating on that just as much as I am.

It is a matter of which side make sense. Of course we are all speculating since we are not the person directly involved in the contract negotiation. But your take that the team doesn't like Darnold very much because it was a one year contract just doesn't make much sense without looking at what Darnold wants out of this.

I never said that the team doesn't like Sam. Why do you all keep saying I said that? I said that they're is a possibility that they didn't like Sam enough to give him a multi year deal. They also are not showing any favorites toward Sam. It is still early and things could change but they are what they are atm.

I don't understand why you think the team hates darnold?… 😈😈

I hope they don't show darnold any favoritism. I want it to be a true open competition between them. Let two talented young guys duke it out. It'll make them better. I think Lance has experienced some positive ups and downs already in camp. He's responded well. I feel like he needs this competition. He didn't really have that his first two years in a real way, like this one. I believe it'll make him better. If it doesn't, then we know he isn't the guy.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Now you are trying to take this to the extreme but I will continue to play along. Of course Trey hasn't lived up to his draft status thus far. I said that Darnold was brought here to challenge Trey. Because he sure wasn't brought here to challenge Brock. As it stands now, all arrows point to Trey being a head of Darnold. Even if its only by a small margin. But ALL indications are there plain as day. You just choose to keep ingonring them.

I'm not ignoring the evidence you're citing, nor am I going to extremes by pointing out what is actually happening. I'm not putting as much weight into those things as you are, and I'm putting more weight into other evidence.

You're reading too much into insignificant details, and ignoring more significant details, in my opinion.

It means very little to me that Trey is 1st up and getting an extra rep or two per practice. There can be a variety of other explanations beyond your conclusion that Trey is ahead of Sam. It's also just a week into camp. I'm drawing zero conclusions about that competition at this point.

And this is really tangent to the point of the bulk of our discussion… which really centered around whether the team likes Darnold beyond being an insurance policy. I think indications are they do.

What are these indications? What are the more significant details? Would you still hold this as insignificant if Sam was the one a head of Trey?If your indications are the positive comments by Kyle, Brian, John and Sam's team mates? You could say there are indications for everyone of our QB's. No one has spoken a negative thing about any of them.

What makes you think, Noddle arm can't be challenged for the starting spot? He has the weakest arm from all 4 qbs! 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I never said that the team doesn't like Sam. Why do you all keep saying I said that? I said that they're is a possibility that they didn't like Sam enough to give him a multi year deal. They also are not showing any favorites toward Sam. It is still early and things could change but they are what they are atm.

Because you countered my statement that they did by asking why he wasn't signed to a multi-year deal (again).

They don't have to show favoritism towards Sam to prove that they like him beyond being an insurance policy. There can be MANY explanations for the couple things you are relying on as evidence. There can be less explanations for the things I am relying on as evidence (at least in my opinion, and apparently a few others).

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Now you are trying to take this to the extreme but I will continue to play along. Of course Trey hasn't lived up to his draft status thus far. I said that Darnold was brought here to challenge Trey. Because he sure wasn't brought here to challenge Brock. As it stands now, all arrows point to Trey being a head of Darnold. Even if its only by a small margin. But ALL indications are there plain as day. You just choose to keep ingonring them.

I'm not ignoring the evidence you're citing, nor am I going to extremes by pointing out what is actually happening. I'm not putting as much weight into those things as you are, and I'm putting more weight into other evidence.

You're reading too much into insignificant details, and ignoring more significant details, in my opinion.

It means very little to me that Trey is 1st up and getting an extra rep or two per practice. There can be a variety of other explanations beyond your conclusion that Trey is ahead of Sam. It's also just a week into camp. I'm drawing zero conclusions about that competition at this point.

And this is really tangent to the point of the bulk of our discussion… which really centered around whether the team likes Darnold beyond being an insurance policy. I think indications are they do.

I haven't followed your guys discussion, but I just want to give props to YAC since he's one of the very few I've seen actually fight for both Trey and Jimmy. It's usually one or the other for most… which has never made sense to me if you're about fairness.

So regardless if I agree with him or not, it's nice to see that.

Did you mean Brock and Trey? Not Jimmy and Trey?

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by RedGoldSquatch:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Yeah I have the same thoughts, but when you argue Trey didn't have CMC or Kittle its on deaf ears.

All I know is if Purdy doesn't play well its going to get interesting. Also for a lot of this fan base if Purdy doesn't look nearly as good as last year (what are the odds of that) its still going to get noisy lol

He looked fantastic though, but my rational mind still says expect a regression to to average compared to what we saw since he is no longer a surprise and opponents have tape on him.

Guys are open in SF, you have a HOF LT, and a top in NFL gameday HC. I have doubts the supporting cast will allow him to struggle. I have a hard time seeing it. If by regression, you mean he will lose a game he starts and finishes, sure. He was on a bit of a silly pace. But if you are talking the fanbase wanting to see another QB in there.. defenses aren't gonna have an answer for all we can put on the field. And he will find and hit, open guys.

By that logic Trey shouldn't struggle if he was in the lineup either. There is an immense amount of talent all over the field.

Cisco is on the money though. What if Brock comes out in the first 3 games and looks like Jimmy? 175/1/1 type of stats with that int coming at the worst possible time. If that's the case and that luster is rubbed off it may be time to check out investment in Trey with a healthy roster around him.

And the above statement is exactly why they should be directly competing for the QB 1 spot in camp instead of him being given the job based on the stretch at the end of the year when our team was clicking on all cylinders.

Excellent counter point you made in bold above. I wasn't even thinking QB1 tbh, the fact Trey is competing for reps for QB2 tells me Kyle doesn't think much of Lance.

My understanding is Brock sits every 3rd day? We need to see how Trey does with the first team reps, but apparently it's a committee so we wont have much to really go on.

I also believe with the history of this offense Purdy is no way lasting 17 games. He had a cracked rib in his first start? I keep dreaming they draft 8 o-lineman one year but we didn't even get a backup Tackle! We keep debating QB and the odds are they will be running for the their lives regardless.

I don't think the team would pay a guy they don't think much of $9 million to be qb2. I think they still like him as much as they always have. I don't think they're giving up on him like some seem to think. It's as simple as the injuries have set Trey back even more. I guarantee that they still see him as an asset and would very much like to see enough improvement from him to warrant keeping him around. He just needs to keep stacking days, honing his skillset, and be ready to take advantage of the situation when and if it presents itself.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I haven't followed your guys discussion, but I just want to give props to YAC since he's one of the very few I've seen actually fight for both Trey and Jimmy. It's usually one or the other for most… which has never made sense to me if you're about fairness.

So regardless if I agree with him or not, it's nice to see that.

How about being critical of both?!

(Lol, I give more of a pass to Trey for his less than desirable play)

I promise you guys I'm objective. I'll reference my track record of putting the pieces together, though it's not always correct.

Lol… "it's much harder to smile at your enemy than frown at your best friend" - said probably by someone at sometime

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Maybe darnold didn't want to? Signing a multi year deal when you're not the starter, and you want to be, doesn't sound like a good plan.

He could be coming here to revitalize his career. Get some great coaching, play with some great players, learn. If he doesn't play a snap this year, it'll bode well for him next year because the teams will know the coaching he got here. He still could resign. Lol

Ding ding ding. There's at least two sides to a contractual agreement.

And you are speculating on that just as much as I am.

It is a matter of which side make sense. Of course we are all speculating since we are not the person directly involved in the contract negotiation. But your take that the team doesn't like Darnold very much because it was a one year contract just doesn't make much sense without looking at what Darnold wants out of this.

I never said that the team doesn't like Sam. Why do you all keep saying I said that? I said that they're is a possibility that they didn't like Sam enough to give him a multi year deal. They also are not showing any favorites toward Sam. It is still early and things could change but they are what they are atm.

I don't understand why you think the team hates darnold?… 😈😈

I hope they don't show darnold any favoritism. I want it to be a true open competition between them. Let two talented young guys duke it out. It'll make them better. I think Lance has experienced some positive ups and downs already in camp. He's responded well. I feel like he needs this competition. He didn't really have that his first two years in a real way, like this one. I believe it'll make him better. If it doesn't, then we know he isn't the guy.

I am team Trey over Sam but not team Trey over Brock. If the FO didn't like Sam, they wouldn't have signed him at all let alone offer him the money that they did. I just don't understand the fan or media love affair over a 3rd string journey man QB that has had 10x as many starts as Trey to prove he is not a starter in this league. That and he wasn't drafted by the 49ers and that maybe means more to me than most.

Trey's issues have been more physical than mental where Sam's has been the opposite. Trey's mechanics have improved by a significant amount by all reports from camp. Has Sam's processing, pocket awareness and vision improved? We'll just have to wait and see two Sundays from now.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
I don't think the team would pay a guy they don't think much of $9 million to be qb2. I think they still like him as much as they always have. I don't think they're giving up on him like some seem to think. It's as simple as the injuries have set Trey back even more. I guarantee that they still see him as an asset and would very much like to see enough improvement from him to warrant keeping him around. He just needs to keep stacking days, honing his skillset, and be ready to take advantage of the situation when and if it presents itself.

The one problem with this is the bulk of that money is fully guaranteed, so their options are limited beyond eating a huge chunk of it. I also disagree with your second sentence (that they like him as much as they always have).

I agree with the bulk of the rest though. It makes little to no sense for them to view it differently from that.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
I don't think the team would pay a guy they don't think much of $9 million to be qb2. I think they still like him as much as they always have. I don't think they're giving up on him like some seem to think. It's as simple as the injuries have set Trey back even more. I guarantee that they still see him as an asset and would very much like to see enough improvement from him to warrant keeping him around. He just needs to keep stacking days, honing his skillset, and be ready to take advantage of the situation when and if it presents itself.

I think they still like Trey and see him as an asset, they're hoping he improves for sure. I still think they've been disappointed by him so far, which helps explain him fighting for QB2. I think both can be true.

regarding his salary, they don't really have a choice, his contract is guaranteed. They're paying him regardless. They could trade him now and save $5.5M this year and next but I think a trade is last resort though, I think it's much more likely he stays around.

BREAKING NEWS! GRANT COHN NOT CONVINCED BROCK PURDY HAS STARTING TALENT, HAS THE WEAKEST ARM IN THE QB ROOM, 4TH PRACTICE AFTER ELBOW SIRGERY! SAYS NICK BOSA SUCKS TOO!

Lol.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Maybe darnold didn't want to? Signing a multi year deal when you're not the starter, and you want to be, doesn't sound like a good plan.

He could be coming here to revitalize his career. Get some great coaching, play with some great players, learn. If he doesn't play a snap this year, it'll bode well for him next year because the teams will know the coaching he got here. He still could resign. Lol

Ding ding ding. There's at least two sides to a contractual agreement.

And you are speculating on that just as much as I am.

It is a matter of which side make sense. Of course we are all speculating since we are not the person directly involved in the contract negotiation. But your take that the team doesn't like Darnold very much because it was a one year contract just doesn't make much sense without looking at what Darnold wants out of this.

I never said that the team doesn't like Sam. Why do you all keep saying I said that? I said that they're is a possibility that they didn't like Sam enough to give him a multi year deal. They also are not showing any favorites toward Sam. It is still early and things could change but they are what they are atm.

I don't understand why you think the team hates darnold?… 😈😈

I hope they don't show darnold any favoritism. I want it to be a true open competition between them. Let two talented young guys duke it out. It'll make them better. I think Lance has experienced some positive ups and downs already in camp. He's responded well. I feel like he needs this competition. He didn't really have that his first two years in a real way, like this one. I believe it'll make him better. If it doesn't, then we know he isn't the guy.

I am team Trey over Sam but not team Trey over Brock. If the FO didn't like Sam, they wouldn't have signed him at all let alone offer him the money that they did. I just don't understand the fan or media love affair over a 3rd string journey man QB that has had 10x as many starts as Trey to prove he is not a starter in this league. That and he wasn't drafted by the 49ers and that maybe means more to me than most.

Trey's issues have been more physical than mental where Sam's has been the opposite. Trey's mechanics have improved by a significant amount by all reports from camp. Has Sam's processing, pocket awareness and vision improved? We'll just have to wait and see two Sundays from now.

Darnold is a 3rd string caliber QB? I think you are way too hard on him. He is competing for the QB2 job as far as I can tell.