QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Montana:
Nothing small sample size about BCB imo. Lolol. The only reason BCB is not the long term guy rn is obviously his injury. Trey would defo been a backup. I bet anything we would have won against Philly had there not been such a cluster cluck of events. And a Mahomes/Brock showdown would have been awesome. So damn close.

The only reason why he isn't the clear #1 is because of his injury. His play last year earned the right to be QB1, but his injury changes that.

Until Sam or Trey prove to be better the injury hasn't changed anything

If Purdy can't throw a football, he is still QB1?

Is Brock your brother? Son? Not everything people say about Purdy that isn't rainbows and sunshine is a slight dude. I am just as big a Purdy fan as you are. I just like to live in reality.

If he can't throw a football to start the season a backup will play until QB1 is ready. If said backup plays better than Brock did he will earn the QB1 job.

When has a player ever been demoted by injury alone? They have to get Wally Pipped to lose their spot. You're acting like that has already happened, which isn't reality

.

Our offense scored more points and gained more yards with Kap than Alex. Alex's injury only opened the door, it's not the reason he lost the job

Alex still lost his job due to injury

the way Kaep fizzled out, should have kept Alex

No he lost his job because Kap came in and played better. Alex went on to hold another SB roster back until they also dumped him. No thanks

No ? If Alex didn't get injured, no Kaep. there's no way around it

I don't disagree, but the injury only opened the door. He didn't lose his job due to injury alone, he had to be outplayed too. That was my point, nobody loses their spot to injury alone, someone has to actually come in and take it

Alex was actually playing some of the best ball of his career before the injury. I remember he was at like 70% completion and just lit up the cards (I think). But he didn't have that explosive ability and he was never really good in the redzone or third down.

kap brought a whole other element to the offense that Alex couldn't. I don't think we would of made it to the super bowl with Alex.

this is also at the time where running QBs were dominating because defenses weren't sure how to defend it yet.

Brock > Alex

But, he could lose his job to Trey if he is out for 5 games and Trey lights it up or of he struggles upon his return. This could happen to most QBs.

Can't wait to hear some more positive news about Brocks recovery.

i wonder if we will get any news about things going on at phase 1. They aren't playing but it would be cool to hear from coaches about how everything is going and who's impressing in the position rooms. Curious to see how the players have been prepping during the off-season

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Brock > Alex

But, he could lose his job to Trey if he is out for 5 games and Trey lights it up or of he struggles upon his return. This could happen to most QBs.

I'm not directing this at you, just generally, but Honestly.. I just want to see Lance have ONE game on the level that Purdy played. Until then, him having some incredible stretch of play is just fairy world to me. If he operates the offense efficiency - that'll be a huge leap forward for him.

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
It isn't the wishful thinking that's the problem. It's a the LUDICROUS notion that Brock isn't worth MULTIPLE first round picks, let alone not even one.

I don't think that's a ludicrous notion. Every team scouted him as a udfa a year ago. He played at an extreme high level for short duration, on a loaded team. His throw arm is now jacked. I think many teams wouldn't even touch, thanks to the injury question, let alone part with a first, let alone part with multiple ones. The injury needs clarity.

Honestly, other than the injury, that same attitude is why people thought Mahomes would be a third round project: people don't trust their eyes. It's not like his success was because no one had ever seen the zone-read before. He had success playing standard QB. Worst case scenario he'll be an average starter, and a starting QB who has played at least half a season is worth at least a one. Let alone a guy who played at a very high level for basically half a season.

He had the same team as Jimmy and outplayed him. Jimmy, who we got for a second after two games of play. And Brock does not have the weakness Jimmy does (mediocre vision and improvisation).

Not to mention, his value to the 49ers. He is why Jimmy was let go. There is not a chance the 49ers will embrace uncertainty at the position without at least two firsts.

Brock is at minimum worth a one, and given the 49ers situation without him (uncertainty as t the QB position), he's going nowhere without two firsts round picks at minimum.

BROCK has only played 7 games? as much as he played very well, there is no way you can say he's better than Grappy already..

I knew Mahomes was better than Jimmy before he was drafted, so yeah, I can. Brock stepped into the same team and that same team produced ten more points per game. Moreover, one of the main reasons why the team scored more points is because Purdy repeatedly saw people open that Jimmy never would have even looked at.

LOL.. comedy... you must have really hated Grappy then...

Did you end up blaming Shanny for not drafting an already better rookie QB in Mahomes or did you continue to support Shanny after the decision to stick with Grappy?

Uh, that was before Grappy dude. This was the spring of 2017. Jimmy joined us in the fall of 2017.

And yes of course I blamed Shanahan, but then I HOPED that Garopolo would be great. He wasn't. Which of course returned my searing anger. But at the end of the day, Shanahan took the offense to heights it hadn't seen since before the conferences were divided into four divisions. Jimmy was a serviceable, quality starter. That's better than Blaine Gabbert. But we could have had a perennial MVP contender.

The good news is that maybe we do now. Probably not, but at least Purdy has looked like a second tier guy, right behind the truly transcendental guys.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Montana:
Nothing small sample size about BCB imo. Lolol. The only reason BCB is not the long term guy rn is obviously his injury. Trey would defo been a backup. I bet anything we would have won against Philly had there not been such a cluster cluck of events. And a Mahomes/Brock showdown would have been awesome. So damn close.

The only reason why he isn't the clear #1 is because of his injury. His play last year earned the right to be QB1, but his injury changes that.

Until Sam or Trey prove to be better the injury hasn't changed anything

If Purdy can't throw a football, he is still QB1?

Is Brock your brother? Son? Not everything people say about Purdy that isn't rainbows and sunshine is a slight dude. I am just as big a Purdy fan as you are. I just like to live in reality.

This.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Montana:
Nothing small sample size about BCB imo. Lolol. The only reason BCB is not the long term guy rn is obviously his injury. Trey would defo been a backup. I bet anything we would have won against Philly had there not been such a cluster cluck of events. And a Mahomes/Brock showdown would have been awesome. So damn close.

The only reason why he isn't the clear #1 is because of his injury. His play last year earned the right to be QB1, but his injury changes that.

Until Sam or Trey prove to be better the injury hasn't changed anything

If Purdy can't throw a football, he is still QB1?

Is Brock your brother? Son? Not everything people say about Purdy that isn't rainbows and sunshine is a slight dude. I am just as big a Purdy fan as you are. I just like to live in reality.

If he can't throw a football to start the season a backup will play until QB1 is ready. If said backup plays better than Brock did he will earn the QB1 job.

When has a player ever been demoted by injury alone? They have to get Wally Pipped to lose their spot. You're acting like that has already happened, which isn't reality

.

Drew Bledsoe multiple times. Montana. Tony Romo for Dak. s**t you could talk about Wentz with Foles (if we want to talk about a small sample size go look at Foles 6 starts when Wentz was hurt). Only reason Wentz regained that s**t was because he was a MVP candidate before the injury. What a weird career he's had

been a ton of QBs who got hurt that lost their gig…it's not like Brock is some highly paid vet either.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Montana:
Nothing small sample size about BCB imo. Lolol. The only reason BCB is not the long term guy rn is obviously his injury. Trey would defo been a backup. I bet anything we would have won against Philly had there not been such a cluster cluck of events. And a Mahomes/Brock showdown would have been awesome. So damn close.

The only reason why he isn't the clear #1 is because of his injury. His play last year earned the right to be QB1, but his injury changes that.

Until Sam or Trey prove to be better the injury hasn't changed anything

If Purdy can't throw a football, he is still QB1?

Is Brock your brother? Son? Not everything people say about Purdy that isn't rainbows and sunshine is a slight dude. I am just as big a Purdy fan as you are. I just like to live in reality.

If he can't throw a football to start the season a backup will play until QB1 is ready. If said backup plays better than Brock did he will earn the QB1 job.

When has a player ever been demoted by injury alone? They have to get Wally Pipped to lose their spot. You're acting like that has already happened, which isn't reality

.

Drew Bledsoe multiple times. Montana. Tony Romo for Dak. s**t you could talk about Wentz with Foles (if we want to talk about a small sample size go look at Foles 6 starts when Wentz was hurt). Only reason Wentz regained that s**t was because he was a MVP candidate before the injury. What a weird career he's had

been a ton of QBs who got hurt that lost their gig…it's not like Brock is some highly paid vet either.

All we know is that unless Trey or Darnold plays at the level Brock played out (which was borderline elite), they are not taking the job. But, if either one does, that is a great problem to have.

Unfortunately it would weaken Brock's trade value (because clearly if one of those two plays at Brock's level, you keep the guy with more physical talent). For the same reason drafting Trey weakened Jimmy's trade value.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
All we know is that unless Trey or Darnold plays at the level Brock played out (which was borderline elite), they are not taking the job. But, if either one does, that is a great problem to have.

Unfortunately it would weaken Brock's trade value (because clearly if one of those two plays at Brock's level, you keep the guy with more physical talent). For the same reason drafting Trey weakened Jimmy's trade value.

Why does everything have to be if he's not the guy we gotta trade him? Brock makes peanuts for 3 more yrs. Lance is here for two years. We go through QBs like water. I'll bet money we see all 3 QBs play this yr during the season. Just how it goes. We got no idea who the starter will be.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
All we know is that unless Trey or Darnold plays at the level Brock played out (which was borderline elite), they are not taking the job. But, if either one does, that is a great problem to have.

Unfortunately it would weaken Brock's trade value (because clearly if one of those two plays at Brock's level, you keep the guy with more physical talent). For the same reason drafting Trey weakened Jimmy's trade value.

Why does everything have to be if he's not the guy we gotta trade him? Brock makes peanuts for 3 more yrs. Lance is here for two years. We go through QBs like water. I'll bet money we see all 3 QBs play this yr during the season. Just how it goes. We got no idea who the starter will be.

Because if Trey supplants Brock, then Brock is a high draft pick just waiting to be acquired. But yes, having a great starter as a back up would be a good thing.

But the most likely scenario is Brock takes the job back in the fall, and whether or not we trade Trey depends on the compensation offered.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
All we know is that unless Trey or Darnold plays at the level Brock played out (which was borderline elite), they are not taking the job. But, if either one does, that is a great problem to have.

Unfortunately it would weaken Brock's trade value (because clearly if one of those two plays at Brock's level, you keep the guy with more physical talent). For the same reason drafting Trey weakened Jimmy's trade value.

Why does everything have to be if he's not the guy we gotta trade him? Brock makes peanuts for 3 more yrs. Lance is here for two years. We go through QBs like water. I'll bet money we see all 3 QBs play this yr during the season. Just how it goes. We got no idea who the starter will be.

Because if Trey supplants Brock, then Brock is a high draft pick just waiting to be acquired. But yes, having a great starter as a back up would be a good thing.

But the most likely scenario is Brock takes the job back in the fall, and whether or not we trade Trey depends on the compensation offered.

Almost every scenario that's been proposed as to why we should trade Trey just assumes Brock Purdy will stay healthy all season long... if that happens, we're probably a top 3 seed in the NFC. I don't think we'll have any regrets at that point. I know I wouldn't.

That's like drafting another RB in the 3rd round but CMC and Elijah Mitchell stay healthy all year. Sign me up for that!

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
All we know is that unless Trey or Darnold plays at the level Brock played out (which was borderline elite), they are not taking the job. But, if either one does, that is a great problem to have.

Unfortunately it would weaken Brock's trade value (because clearly if one of those two plays at Brock's level, you keep the guy with more physical talent). For the same reason drafting Trey weakened Jimmy's trade value.

Why does everything have to be if he's not the guy we gotta trade him? Brock makes peanuts for 3 more yrs. Lance is here for two years. We go through QBs like water. I'll bet money we see all 3 QBs play this yr during the season. Just how it goes. We got no idea who the starter will be.

Because if Trey supplants Brock, then Brock is a high draft pick just waiting to be acquired. But yes, having a great starter as a back up would be a good thing.

But the most likely scenario is Brock takes the job back in the fall, and whether or not we trade Trey depends on the compensation offered.

Almost every scenario that's been proposed as to why we should trade Trey just assumes Brock Purdy will stay healthy all season long... if that happens, we're probably a top 3 seed in the NFC. I don't think we'll have any regrets at that point. I know I wouldn't.

That's like drafting another RB in the 3rd round but CMC and Elijah Mitchell stay healthy all year. Sign me up for that!

We just went through five QBs last year: Trey, Jimmy, Brock, Johnson, and Brock's dead body.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
All we know is that unless Trey or Darnold plays at the level Brock played out (which was borderline elite), they are not taking the job. But, if either one does, that is a great problem to have.

Unfortunately it would weaken Brock's trade value (because clearly if one of those two plays at Brock's level, you keep the guy with more physical talent). For the same reason drafting Trey weakened Jimmy's trade value.

Why does everything have to be if he's not the guy we gotta trade him? Brock makes peanuts for 3 more yrs. Lance is here for two years. We go through QBs like water. I'll bet money we see all 3 QBs play this yr during the season. Just how it goes. We got no idea who the starter will be.

Because if Trey supplants Brock, then Brock is a high draft pick just waiting to be acquired. But yes, having a great starter as a back up would be a good thing.

But the most likely scenario is Brock takes the job back in the fall, and whether or not we trade Trey depends on the compensation offered.

Almost every scenario that's been proposed as to why we should trade Trey just assumes Brock Purdy will stay healthy all season long... if that happens, we're probably a top 3 seed in the NFC. I don't think we'll have any regrets at that point. I know I wouldn't.

That's like drafting another RB in the 3rd round but CMC and Elijah Mitchell stay healthy all year. Sign me up for that!

We just went through five QBs last year: Trey, Jimmy, Brock, Johnson, and Brock's dead body.

Yeah and it's not like that's the only time we've dealt with a handful of QBs starting in a yr.

you'd think fans would have figured that s**t out by now.

also I'm wondering what the difference is between that S2 test and the wonderlic? Brock scored in the high 90s in the S2 test but was below avg in the wonderlic scoring a 23?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
All we know is that unless Trey or Darnold plays at the level Brock played out (which was borderline elite), they are not taking the job. But, if either one does, that is a great problem to have.

Unfortunately it would weaken Brock's trade value (because clearly if one of those two plays at Brock's level, you keep the guy with more physical talent). For the same reason drafting Trey weakened Jimmy's trade value.

Why does everything have to be if he's not the guy we gotta trade him? Brock makes peanuts for 3 more yrs. Lance is here for two years. We go through QBs like water. I'll bet money we see all 3 QBs play this yr during the season. Just how it goes. We got no idea who the starter will be.

Because if Trey supplants Brock, then Brock is a high draft pick just waiting to be acquired. But yes, having a great starter as a back up would be a good thing.

But the most likely scenario is Brock takes the job back in the fall, and whether or not we trade Trey depends on the compensation offered.

Almost every scenario that's been proposed as to why we should trade Trey just assumes Brock Purdy will stay healthy all season long... if that happens, we're probably a top 3 seed in the NFC. I don't think we'll have any regrets at that point. I know I wouldn't.

That's like drafting another RB in the 3rd round but CMC and Elijah Mitchell stay healthy all year. Sign me up for that!

We just went through five QBs last year: Trey, Jimmy, Brock, Johnson, and Brock's dead body.

Yeah and it's not like that's the only time we've dealt with a handful of QBs starting in a yr.

you'd think fans would have figured that s**t out by now.

also I'm wondering what the difference is between that S2 test and the wonderlic? Brock scored in the high 90s in the S2 test but was below avg in the wonderlic scoring a 23?

Don't hold me to this but my understanding is that the S2 is more of your mental recognition, response, processing etc. the wonderlic is more of an intelligence test.

i think it's better for QBs to have a higher S2 score then wonderlic, I don't know why players even take the wonderlic.

Alex smith had a super high wonderlic score but it didn't necessarily transfer to him being a great field general. Gore scored a horrible score on the wonderlic but his football iq was really high.

to play football at a high level, the game has to be instinctual to you. You can't be out there thinking a lot, needs to be just responding. That split second of trying to think out there is massive. It's why I say you either have some things and you don't. If you have to be thinking out there, I don't think you can ever be elite, it needs to be instinctual and responsive.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
All we know is that unless Trey or Darnold plays at the level Brock played out (which was borderline elite), they are not taking the job. But, if either one does, that is a great problem to have.

Unfortunately it would weaken Brock's trade value (because clearly if one of those two plays at Brock's level, you keep the guy with more physical talent). For the same reason drafting Trey weakened Jimmy's trade value.

Why does everything have to be if he's not the guy we gotta trade him? Brock makes peanuts for 3 more yrs. Lance is here for two years. We go through QBs like water. I'll bet money we see all 3 QBs play this yr during the season. Just how it goes. We got no idea who the starter will be.

Because if Trey supplants Brock, then Brock is a high draft pick just waiting to be acquired. But yes, having a great starter as a back up would be a good thing.

But the most likely scenario is Brock takes the job back in the fall, and whether or not we trade Trey depends on the compensation offered.

Almost every scenario that's been proposed as to why we should trade Trey just assumes Brock Purdy will stay healthy all season long... if that happens, we're probably a top 3 seed in the NFC. I don't think we'll have any regrets at that point. I know I wouldn't.

That's like drafting another RB in the 3rd round but CMC and Elijah Mitchell stay healthy all year. Sign me up for that!

We just went through five QBs last year: Trey, Jimmy, Brock, Johnson, and Brock's dead body.

Yeah and it's not like that's the only time we've dealt with a handful of QBs starting in a yr.

you'd think fans would have figured that s**t out by now.

also I'm wondering what the difference is between that S2 test and the wonderlic? Brock scored in the high 90s in the S2 test but was below avg in the wonderlic scoring a 23?

Wonderlic is basically an aptitude and cognitive test that tested their general intelligence and people said had nothing to do with football and has since been scraped.

The S2 test they said instead determines the speed at which players can process split-second information, and how fast they can act on it. They in front of a computer screen . Per the website of the creators-scientifically measures an athlete's game-speed cognitive abilities down to a millisecond level.

It instead determines the speed at which players can process split-second information, and how fast they can act on it.

Per the bargaining NFLPA- it can't be used at the combine or among current players. So it can only used at the Allstar-games.

Also per the website:
S2 Cognition helps athletes better understand why they excel and struggle in certain areas of their game by revealing how their brain is wired to perform. The S2 Eval is the only sports evaluation that scientifically measures an athlete's game-speed cognitive abilities down to a millisecond level — and provides tailored, on-field drills designed by top-level coaches to measurably improve performance.

The Athletic reports the S2 evaluation takes 40 to 45 minutes to complete and consists of nine different tests, all of which measure varying aspects of processing speed. Per S2's site, five of the mental "instincts" it tests for include:

• Perception Speed
• Visual Search Efficiency
• Trajectory Prediction
• Impulse Control
• Improvisation

Ally told The Athletic the three most important scores for quarterbacks in the test are tracking multiple objects; decision complexity; and improvisation. The scores for those three tasks, as well as the remaining six tests, are graded separately. They're then plugged into a formula to determine a player's overall score.

"It's like the decathlon. You don't have to win a single event, but you can actually win the decathlon," Ally told The Athletic. "It looks at the pattern of scores based on how others did on those nine tasks."

Per a February breakdown from The Athletic's Matt Barrows, one such test consists of a series of diamonds flashing on a screen for 16 milliseconds (the average human blinks in about 100 to 150 milliseconds). Test-takers must indicate which point of the diamond is missing by using one of the left, right, up or down keys.

Another test aims to see how many objects a test-taker can keep track of at the same time, while another asks them to locate one of 22 figures on the screen (such as a red triangle embedded in other red-hued shapes).