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Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Originally posted by TyCore:
Great breakdowns, that was f**kin' dismal.

This makes me wonder how other teams will adjust to Kyle's predictable playcalling.

I hope we look like an all new team Saturday, or we might be in a bit of trouble.

We'll be ok - Shanny will adjust.

Yeah, not worries there either. It's not like Kyle is Chip Kelly and after 2 years has shown almost everything he has. He's been calling plays a along time and it's stuff that's been run for over 30 years and still works. He just has to be more varied in the situation.

Dan Quinn also showed how he knows Kyle very well.

i wish you replied on twitter
Originally posted by raywm3:
I saw where Greg Cosell said in the Atlanta game, our O-line "got handled". I never thought our o-line was an area of emphasis in the upcoming offseason because is it pretty good 'enough'. BUT, I'm starting to think how much better we could be if we had a Dallas Cowboy type o-line.

their line has been trash
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
One of the problems with Goodwin is he isn't a great route runner and he is on the small side so it's easy to bump him off his route which screws up the timing on any deep throw. Jimmy has enough problems with deep throws so he doesn't need a small Goodwin thrown in to make it worse. He's only 5'9" and 180 lbs. I like guys a little taller or at least tougher that can battle for the ball since a lot of deep throws are often contested unless someone blows a coverage or falls down like the one to Sanders against NO.

that's why thl was specifying goodwin's only value; clearing routes and deep seams to open up others. no one was talking about him for any other purpose
Interesting takes of Eric Davis on his bleav in podcast. He also had an ex pro on there too discussing the defense and even they disagreed on coverage. But I liked ED's take on zone to man vs. zone to covering grass (his big take away). And the 5 man front.
[ Edited by NCommand on Dec 19, 2019 at 11:44 AM ]
Originally posted by raywm3:
I saw where Greg Cosell said in the Atlanta game, our O-line "got handled". I never thought our o-line was an area of emphasis in the upcoming offseason because is it pretty good 'enough'. BUT, I'm starting to think how much better we could be if we had a Dallas Cowboy type o-line.

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Originally posted by NCommand:
Interesting takes of Eric Davis on his bleav in podcast. He also had an ex pro on there too discussing the defense and even they disagreed on coverage. But I liked ED's take on zone to man vs. zone to covering grass (his big take away).

Was ED referring to pattern matching vs spot dropping? The 49ers do pattern match (all teams do), but can you give me more detail into why they were talking about this and if it was just about this ATL game in particular, or whether they were talking about the defense for the entire season?

If they were talking about why didn't the 49ers pattern match more in this ATL game, perhaps it's because of the number of backups that had significant playing time in this game. Pattern matching is always better imo, but if it's not done right it leads to blown coverages.
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Interesting takes of Eric Davis on his bleav in podcast. He also had an ex pro on there too discussing the defense and even they disagreed on coverage. But I liked ED's take on zone to man vs. zone to covering grass (his big take away).

Was ED referring to pattern matching vs spot dropping? The 49ers do pattern match (all teams do), but can you give me more detail into why they were talking about this and if it was just about this ATL game in particular, or whether they were talking about the defense for the entire season?

If they were talking about why didn't the 49ers pattern match more in this ATL game, perhaps it's because of the number of backups that had significant playing time in this game. Pattern matching is always better imo, but if it's not done right it leads to blown coverages.

thl. I was on a bike ride in a wind storm but here it is so I may not have picked up every detail.

https://bleav.com/podcast-show/bleav-in-49ers/

IIRC, it was on double coverage on Julio. The other pro (Kirk Morrison) thought we're susceptible to stacks and rub routes and ED thought they did good but later talked about knowing when to stop covering grass in your zone.
[ Edited by NCommand on Dec 19, 2019 at 12:08 PM ]
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I won't be showing much from this game because I've been spoiled with winning football this season so I don't like re-visiting losses, but I wanted to show this play because it's a good example of what ATL did to defend the 49ers passing game.
49ers are going to use playaction then look to hit the quick slant. ATL is in Cover3.
In Cover3 - defending a WR with a reduced split (Sanders) - the CB will want to play with outside leverage, then funnel the WR towards the inside where there is underneath help (4 underneath). The CB over Sanders is aligned with outside leverage.


Playaction, the playside Hook defender (yellow) bites forward. This should help open up a passing lane to Sanders' slant. The CB on Sanders *should* maintain outside leverage knowing there's help inside, but he starts to lose his outside leverage.


This pic here shows what ATL wants to take away - inside breaking routes. The CB no longer has outside leverage and is cheating to the inside. The middle deep blue safety has not backpeddled at all. They are both cheating inside, short/intermediate. Jimmy wants to hit Sanders' slant but knows it's covered.


This occurred multiple times in this game, ATL cheating inside, but I thought this was the best example. I slowed it down so you can see how the CB aligned with outside shade, but began creeping inside, daring the 49ers to try and beat him outside. This isn't normal for a CB playing Cover3 versus a reduced split, this is gameplan specific. Jimmy scrambles around for +3.
Originally posted by SkyZer0:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Originally posted by TyCore:
Great breakdowns, that was f**kin' dismal.

This makes me wonder how other teams will adjust to Kyle's predictable playcalling.

I hope we look like an all new team Saturday, or we might be in a bit of trouble.

We'll be ok - Shanny will adjust.

Yeah, not worries there either. It's not like Kyle is Chip Kelly and after 2 years has shown almost everything he has. He's been calling plays a along time and it's stuff that's been run for over 30 years and still works. He just has to be more varied in the situation.

Dan Quinn also showed how he knows Kyle very well.

i wish you replied on twitter

I usually do, your post made me go back and look, i didnt get any Twitter notification. Which one you referring to?
Originally posted by thl408:
I won't be showing much from this game because I've been spoiled with winning football this season so I don't like re-visiting losses, but I wanted to show this play because it's a good example of what ATL did to defend the 49ers passing game.
49ers are going to use playaction then look to hit the quick slant. ATL is in Cover3.
In Cover3 - defending a WR with a reduced split (Sanders) - the CB will want to play with outside leverage, then funnel the WR towards the inside where there is underneath help (4 underneath). The CB over Sanders is aligned with outside leverage.


Playaction, the playside Hook defender (yellow) bites forward. This should help open up a passing lane to Sanders' slant. The CB on Sanders *should* maintain outside leverage knowing there's help inside, but he starts to lose his outside leverage.


This pic here shows what ATL wants to take away - inside breaking routes. The CB no longer has outside leverage and is cheating to the inside. The middle deep blue safety has not backpeddled at all. They are both cheating inside, short/intermediate. Jimmy wants to hit Sanders' slant but knows it's covered.


This occurred multiple times in this game, ATL cheating inside, but I thought this was the best example. I slowed it down so you can see how the CB aligned with outside shade, but began creeping inside, daring the 49ers to try and beat him outside. This isn't normal for a CB playing Cover3 versus a reduced split, this is gameplan specific. Jimmy scrambles around for +3.

Yeah, this was what I saw too, just didnt want to show 8 plays where ATL is running our receivers routes or jumping them all game. Kudos to Jimmy for not throwing a pick, ATL one our stuff so well.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by SkyZer0:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Originally posted by TyCore:
Great breakdowns, that was f**kin' dismal.

This makes me wonder how other teams will adjust to Kyle's predictable playcalling.

I hope we look like an all new team Saturday, or we might be in a bit of trouble.

We'll be ok - Shanny will adjust.

Yeah, not worries there either. It's not like Kyle is Chip Kelly and after 2 years has shown almost everything he has. He's been calling plays a along time and it's stuff that's been run for over 30 years and still works. He just has to be more varied in the situation.

Dan Quinn also showed how he knows Kyle very well.

i wish you replied on twitter

I usually do, your post made me go back and look, i didnt get any Twitter notification. Which one you referring to?

idk but I reply and usually respond to your tweets asking about stuff a lot haha. also I REALLY want you to get more recognition from Oscar on the BR podcast. I trust your film study more than I trust theirs at this point. but they seem.. stuck up or something idk
Originally posted by SkyZer0:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by SkyZer0:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Originally posted by TyCore:
Great breakdowns, that was f**kin' dismal.

This makes me wonder how other teams will adjust to Kyle's predictable playcalling.

I hope we look like an all new team Saturday, or we might be in a bit of trouble.

We'll be ok - Shanny will adjust.

Yeah, not worries there either. It's not like Kyle is Chip Kelly and after 2 years has shown almost everything he has. He's been calling plays a along time and it's stuff that's been run for over 30 years and still works. He just has to be more varied in the situation.

Dan Quinn also showed how he knows Kyle very well.

i wish you replied on twitter

I usually do, your post made me go back and look, i didnt get any Twitter notification. Which one you referring to?

idk but I reply and usually respond to your tweets asking about stuff a lot haha. also I REALLY want you to get more recognition from Oscar on the BR podcast. I trust your film study more than I trust theirs at this point. but they seem.. stuck up or something idk

Well, film guys tend to believe they're right most of the time and don't like feeling like they don't know enough. It can make them feel less authoritative in what they say and worry it will discredit them.

For me, I'm still trying to learn all I can so I know I dint get it right from time to time.

Also, that's weird, I have alerts on my phone anytime I'm responded to or tagged so IDK.
What's ur Twitter handle?
Originally posted by Thanos89:
Great job as always Jonnydel, a bit shocking just how poorly we executed on both sides of the ball

This
Originally posted by SkyZer0:
idk but I reply and usually respond to your tweets asking about stuff a lot haha. also I REALLY want you to get more recognition from Oscar on the BR podcast. I trust your film study more than I trust theirs at this point. but they seem.. stuck up or something idk

Oscar and David don't film study. They defer to PFF analytics to guide their talking point. JD and thl are legit film study guys. Big difference IMHO.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by SkyZer0:
idk but I reply and usually respond to your tweets asking about stuff a lot haha. also I REALLY want you to get more recognition from Oscar on the BR podcast. I trust your film study more than I trust theirs at this point. but they seem.. stuck up or something idk

Oscar and David don't film study. They defer to PFF analytics to guide their talking point. JD and thl are legit film study guys. Big difference IMHO.

i think they do a little bit. David is all over PFF. but Oscar posts some cut ups. other than that, not sure how much he really does
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