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Coaches Film Analysis: 2019 Season

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Originally posted by BigBossBosa97:
Thanks for the breakdown, jonnydel. I was real curious about the last 3rd and 16 play. Jalen threw the rookie under the bus after the game but Rex Ryan stated that Jalen Ramsey needed to step up and take the blame on that one.

I was also curious about Jimmy's first int. Was he baited into that throw or was it a straight up misread of the coverage?

The second int, IMO, was out of frustration and trying to force a throw into tight coverage.

Neither was a good throw but whether he was baited or not on that first one, he has to be aware of the type of player that Ramsey is so he doesn't make that throw. I'm guessing with another year or 2 under his belt he won't make that mistake.
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Thanks JD, you're the man!!
Originally posted by BigBossBosa97:
Thanks for the breakdown, jonnydel. I was real curious about the last 3rd and 16 play. Jalen threw the rookie under the bus after the game but Rex Ryan stated that Jalen Ramsey needed to step up and take the blame on that one.

I was also curious about Jimmy's first int. Was he baited into that throw or was it a straight up misread of the coverage?

The second int, IMO, was out of frustration and trying to force a throw into tight coverage.

I had the INT ready to edit up but was just running out of time.
Great play by Ramsey, IMO. they were in C3 zone and we ran a flood concept. Kittle was in the flat and Ramsey looked like he was attacking the flat route and then bailed and jumped the mid out route. Not many players can beat Jimmy's release and velocity to the catch point - Ramsey did.
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by BigBossBosa97:
Thanks for the breakdown, jonnydel. I was real curious about the last 3rd and 16 play. Jalen threw the rookie under the bus after the game but Rex Ryan stated that Jalen Ramsey needed to step up and take the blame on that one.

I was also curious about Jimmy's first int. Was he baited into that throw or was it a straight up misread of the coverage?

The second int, IMO, was out of frustration and trying to force a throw into tight coverage.

I had the INT ready to edit up but was just running out of time.
Great play by Ramsey, IMO. they were in C3 zone and we ran a flood concept. Kittle was in the flat and Ramsey looked like he was attacking the flat route and then bailed and jumped the mid out route. Not many players can beat Jimmy's release and velocity to the catch point - Ramsey did.

Thank you for the breakdown on the play. No doubt it was a great play by Ramsey. That play reminded me of Jimmy throwing a similar int near the goal line. I believe it was against the cards. Both plays seemed as though he didn't see the defender breaking on the ball. While Jimmy is good at freezing defenders with his eyes, maybe sometimes he is a bit over confident with his release. One thing I have noticed that Jimmy does not use is a quick pump fake to keep defenders from making a break on the ball. I see Brady, Brees and Rodgers use the pump fake. Perhaps he will add that to his game in the future.
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Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by BigBossBosa97:
Thanks for the breakdown, jonnydel. I was real curious about the last 3rd and 16 play. Jalen threw the rookie under the bus after the game but Rex Ryan stated that Jalen Ramsey needed to step up and take the blame on that one.

I was also curious about Jimmy's first int. Was he baited into that throw or was it a straight up misread of the coverage?

The second int, IMO, was out of frustration and trying to force a throw into tight coverage.

I had the INT ready to edit up but was just running out of time.
Great play by Ramsey, IMO. they were in C3 zone and we ran a flood concept. Kittle was in the flat and Ramsey looked like he was attacking the flat route and then bailed and jumped the mid out route. Not many players can beat Jimmy's release and velocity to the catch point - Ramsey did.

I think the Rams had Jimmy confused on the play. My guess is Jimmy thought it was typical Cover 3, but what the Rams did was drop 8 into coverage so there was an extra underneath defender - Ramsey. The flood concept the 49ers dialed up was to vertically stretch the strongside curl/flat defender, but Ramsey was the extra defender in the area. Here's that play.

Ramsey is the guy following Kittle across the formation to give a presnap man coverage look, but it's actually zone coverage. So many plays the Rams were audibling presnap to make quick adjustments. In the end, it bit them in the ass when they didn't get it right on that final 3rd & 16. You can see here the Rams talking to one another presnap as Kittle motions across. This happened often.

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I thought Wade Philips did a good job throwing a bunch of looks at the Jimmy. There were some trap coverages in the gameplan that I saw, looking to bait Jimmy into thinking something was there that wasn't. Here's an example.
The Rams are showing man coverage presnap with the CBs aligned to one side of the field to match up against the twin WRs. Juice has a safety aligned over him so that's also hinting man coverage.
The 49ers have a fade/out concept to Jimmy's right (jonnydel calls it "Ohio"). This works well against man coverage as red route clears the sideline area for yellow's out route.


What's really happening is the Rams want to bait Jimmy into throwing the Out to the slot WR, and have the outside corner (Ramsey) come off the #1 and jump the flat. Which is what happens. The best case scenario is the outside CB gets an INT. Luckily, for the 49ers, it's just a minimal +3 gain.
I highlighted the slot CB signaling to the red safety that red safety now has the #1 (red Deebo) so that Ramsey can jump the flat.




This game was very interesting to see what Wade Philips, in all his wisdom, did to gameplan against Jimmy and Kyle. With the holidays and all that I just don't have the time to post the cutups that this game deserves. In the end, this is very valuable experience for Jimmy. To see some of these unconventional coverages and go through how DCs will attempt to trick him is going to give him reps against some of the 'exotic' coverages, and it will pay off down the road.
Originally posted by BigBossBosa97:
Thank you for the breakdown on the play. No doubt it was a great play by Ramsey. That play reminded me of Jimmy throwing a similar int near the goal line. I believe it was against the cards. Both plays seemed as though he didn't see the defender breaking on the ball. While Jimmy is good at freezing defenders with his eyes, maybe sometimes he is a bit over confident with his release. One thing I have noticed that Jimmy does not use is a quick pump fake to keep defenders from making a break on the ball. I see Brady, Brees and Rodgers use the pump fake. Perhaps he will add that to his game in the future.

At this point in his career Jimmy sees the field but he doesn't anticipate well. That's the next phase in his development. He has to anticipate where the rush is coming from so he can avoid the sacks. He has to anticipate when the defender is breaking on the ball. He has to anticipate where his receiver will be on a broken play so he can throw to the open spot instead of waiting for the receiver to get there. These things come with more experience just like the pump fakes you mentioned.
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Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Originally posted by BigBossBosa97:
Thank you for the breakdown on the play. No doubt it was a great play by Ramsey. That play reminded me of Jimmy throwing a similar int near the goal line. I believe it was against the cards. Both plays seemed as though he didn't see the defender breaking on the ball. While Jimmy is good at freezing defenders with his eyes, maybe sometimes he is a bit over confident with his release. One thing I have noticed that Jimmy does not use is a quick pump fake to keep defenders from making a break on the ball. I see Brady, Brees and Rodgers use the pump fake. Perhaps he will add that to his game in the future.

At this point in his career Jimmy sees the field but he doesn't anticipate well. That's the next phase in his development. He has to anticipate where the rush is coming from so he can avoid the sacks. He has to anticipate when the defender is breaking on the ball. He has to anticipate where his receiver will be on a broken play so he can throw to the open spot instead of waiting for the receiver to get there. These things come with more experience just like the pump fakes you mentioned.

I don't think the Ramsey INT was a case of Jimmy not anticipating. I think he simply read that coverage incorrectly and did not see Ramsey.
Originally posted by thl408:
I don't think the Ramsey INT was a case of Jimmy not anticipating. I think he simply read that coverage incorrectly and did not see Ramsey.

Same thing. He didn't know or realize that Ramsey was going to do that. He may have read the coverage right against an average back but not a premier back like Ramsey.
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Originally posted by BigBossBosa97:
Thank you for the breakdown on the play. No doubt it was a great play by Ramsey. That play reminded me of Jimmy throwing a similar int near the goal line. I believe it was against the cards. Both plays seemed as though he didn't see the defender breaking on the ball. While Jimmy is good at freezing defenders with his eyes, maybe sometimes he is a bit over confident with his release. One thing I have noticed that Jimmy does not use is a quick pump fake to keep defenders from making a break on the ball. I see Brady, Brees and Rodgers use the pump fake. Perhaps he will add that to his game in the future.

At this point in his career Jimmy sees the field but he doesn't anticipate well. That's the next phase in his development. He has to anticipate where the rush is coming from so he can avoid the sacks. He has to anticipate when the defender is breaking on the ball. He has to anticipate where his receiver will be on a broken play so he can throw to the open spot instead of waiting for the receiver to get there. These things come with more experience just like the pump fakes you mentioned.

ummm.. he's already done that??



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it's almost like you didn't see this entire game.
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Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Originally posted by thl408:
I don't think the Ramsey INT was a case of Jimmy not anticipating. I think he simply read that coverage incorrectly and did not see Ramsey.

Same thing. He didn't know or realize that Ramsey was going to do that. He may have read the coverage right against an average back but not a premier back like Ramsey.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you are implying Jimmy saw Ramsey and underestimated Ramsey's ability to get to that pass. I am saying he didn't see Ramsey at all. I think that had Jimmy saw a defender there (Ramsey) he never makes this throw.

Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Originally posted by BigBossBosa97:
Thank you for the breakdown on the play. No doubt it was a great play by Ramsey. That play reminded me of Jimmy throwing a similar int near the goal line. I believe it was against the cards. Both plays seemed as though he didn't see the defender breaking on the ball. While Jimmy is good at freezing defenders with his eyes, maybe sometimes he is a bit over confident with his release. One thing I have noticed that Jimmy does not use is a quick pump fake to keep defenders from making a break on the ball. I see Brady, Brees and Rodgers use the pump fake. Perhaps he will add that to his game in the future.

At this point in his career Jimmy sees the field but he doesn't anticipate well. That's the next phase in his development. He has to anticipate where the rush is coming from so he can avoid the sacks. He has to anticipate when the defender is breaking on the ball. He has to anticipate where his receiver will be on a broken play so he can throw to the open spot instead of waiting for the receiver to get there. These things come with more experience just like the pump fakes you mentioned.

I don't think the Ramsey INT was a case of Jimmy not anticipating. I think he simply read that coverage incorrectly and did not see Ramsey.

After seeing your cut-up and explanation, I agree. It seems as though DC's have really gone out of their way to trick Jimmy with disguised coverages lately. I remember jonnydel breaking down one of the cards games and they were using every kind of coverage they could throw at him and he was beating them every time. This isn't a bad thing though. Jimmy is really good but the more adversity he faces the better he will become. Dude never folds. He is a straight up baller.
Any word on how Marcell Harris played?
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Originally posted by BigBossBosa97:
After seeing your cut-up and explanation, I agree. It seems as though DC's have really gone out of their way to trick Jimmy with disguised coverages lately. I remember jonnydel breaking down one of the cards games and they were using every kind of coverage they could throw at him and he was beating them every time. This isn't a bad thing though. Jimmy is really good but the more adversity he faces the better he will become. Dude never folds. He is a straight up baller.

It's not a bad thing at all. QBs don't just go up against defenders, they go up against DCs. Wade Philips is a grizzled vet, armed with every trick in the book. On the plays that Jimmy was fooled or was hesitant, he now has it on film, and can put it in his memory bank for next time.
Originally posted by thl408:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you are implying Jimmy saw Ramsey and underestimated Ramsey's ability to get to that pass. I am saying he didn't see Ramsey at all. I think that had Jimmy saw a defender there (Ramsey) he never makes this throw.

Seems like Ramsey peeled off his assignment and made a great play
Originally posted by SkyZer0:
ummm.. he's already done that??



3:38

it's almost like you didn't see this entire game.

That's kind of what I mean but that was one play. It was still a play that was planned. I'm talking more about the kind of play deep downfield that yosee wilson and Mahommes make when they are forced out of the pocket. The receivers now have to improvise and they often throw to an open area and let the receiver go and get it. Not a planned play, totally improvised.
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