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Defensive Line Thread
- DRCHOWDER
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- GoreGoreGore
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Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Rams won the SB with a aging edge player, is edge really that important.
- NCommand
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Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Rams won the SB with a aging edge player, is edge really that important.
LOL. To his point, it doesn't matter in the playoffs if OL are just allowed to hold the entire game.
- GoreGoreGore
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Rams won the SB with a aging edge player, is edge really that important.
LOL. To his point, it doesn't matter in the playoffs if OL are just allowed to hold the entire game.
Tell that to Burrow
- NCommand
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Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Rams won the SB with a aging edge player, is edge really that important.
LOL. To his point, it doesn't matter in the playoffs if OL are just allowed to hold the entire game.
Tell that to Burrow
Touche'
I think we know what the Bengals offseason plan entails.
- SlowDownBoy
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Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by ChaunceyGardner:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Illustrating the remarkable improvement of the 49ers' D-line in 2021 under Kris Kocurek: A whole lot of red (below average) pass-rushing productivity (PFF) scores in Weeks 1-7... By Weeks 14-onward, the whole unit was humming.
— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) February 21, 2022
Full breakdown: https://t.co/l5mvoEPVra pic.twitter.com/XTNNQNLQIb
I'm no expert but that data suggests non-injured players have much better scores
Yup, and looks like keeping Ebukam, Key, and Omenihu would be one of the goals of the organization. Arden Key is the UFA along with DJ JOnes that I'm really hoping they can re-sign for a much longer contract.
I highly doubt Ebukam is back, 8.5 mil cap hit. We've shown plenty of times that we can get solid production out of DL for cheap.
Continuity is important for as system just as much as being durable for a player during a 16 game season.
Restructuring his contract is the answer to this dilemma
- DRCHOWDER
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Rams won the SB with a aging edge player, is edge really that important.
LOL. To his point, it doesn't matter in the playoffs if OL are just allowed to hold the entire game.
Tell that to Burrow
Touche'
I think we know what the Bengals offseason plan entails.
they should've false start like crazy like the rams did.
- Giedi
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Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by ChaunceyGardner:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Illustrating the remarkable improvement of the 49ers' D-line in 2021 under Kris Kocurek: A whole lot of red (below average) pass-rushing productivity (PFF) scores in Weeks 1-7... By Weeks 14-onward, the whole unit was humming.
— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) February 21, 2022
Full breakdown: https://t.co/l5mvoEPVra pic.twitter.com/XTNNQNLQIb
I'm no expert but that data suggests non-injured players have much better scores
Yup, and looks like keeping Ebukam, Key, and Omenihu would be one of the goals of the organization. Arden Key is the UFA along with DJ JOnes that I'm really hoping they can re-sign for a much longer contract.
I highly doubt Ebukam is back, 8.5 mil cap hit. We've shown plenty of times that we can get solid production out of DL for cheap.
Well i think ShanaLynch will offer him a fair bargain, but I agree with you that there is a ton of demand for any DLineman that has the potential to rush the passer. I hope Kerry Hyder's experience will deter some of our unrestricted free agent DLinemen to forego the dollar to a certain extent and stay to bolster their resume long term with the 49ers, and maybe get a bigger payday and a longer career down the road.
- pasodoc9er
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Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by ChaunceyGardner:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Illustrating the remarkable improvement of the 49ers' D-line in 2021 under Kris Kocurek: A whole lot of red (below average) pass-rushing productivity (PFF) scores in Weeks 1-7... By Weeks 14-onward, the whole unit was humming.
— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) February 21, 2022
Full breakdown: https://t.co/l5mvoEPVra pic.twitter.com/XTNNQNLQIb
I'm no expert but that data suggests non-injured players have much better scores
Yup, and looks like keeping Ebukam, Key, and Omenihu would be one of the goals of the organization. Arden Key is the UFA along with DJ JOnes that I'm really hoping they can re-sign for a much longer contract.
I highly doubt Ebukam is back, 8.5 mil cap hit. We've shown plenty of times that we can get solid production out of DL for cheap.
Well i think ShanaLynch will offer him a fair bargain, but I agree with you that there is a ton of demand for any DLineman that has the potential to rush the passer. I hope Kerry Hyder's experience will deter some of our unrestricted free agent DLinemen to forego the dollar to a certain extent and stay to bolster their resume long term with the 49ers, and maybe get a bigger payday and a longer career down the road.
Man, i really agree with you Giedi, that I wish our DL guys (and others) rather than leaving after a yr or 2 would stay around and learn more. They definitely will make themselves more valuable 2 yrs or even 3 yrs later.
- Giedi
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there are (supposedly from the Draft Nerds board here) good DLine and OLine picks that will really help our team.
- FredFlintstone
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Originally posted by Giedi:
Doc, just went over to the draft nerds DLine threads, man o man, they say that this draft is deep in edge rushers! If we can sign DJ Jones and Kinlaw rehabs to 100% health, and we can get a good day two pick (or even maybe package a Jimmy trade) to a late day 1 pick,![]()
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there are (supposedly from the Draft Nerds board here) good DLine and OLine picks that will really help our team.
I'm really worried about losing Jones, he's such a major piece to the rotation. But you're right if we can resign him, Kinlaw is finally healthy and starts showing out with another edge rusher this team will be a serious problem
- Giedi
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Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Doc, just went over to the draft nerds DLine threads, man o man, they say that this draft is deep in edge rushers! If we can sign DJ Jones and Kinlaw rehabs to 100% health, and we can get a good day two pick (or even maybe package a Jimmy trade) to a late day 1 pick,![]()
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there are (supposedly from the Draft Nerds board here) good DLine and OLine picks that will really help our team.
I'm really worried about losing Jones, he's such a major piece to the rotation. But you're right if we can resign him, Kinlaw is finally healthy and starts showing out with another edge rusher this team will be a serious problem
Not too worried about Jones, considering we have Arik. Arik and Bosa are a good combo, and Kinlaw *might* be better than DJ Jones. We do have Givens as a DT on the team. If Jimmy's cap hit can be traded away, I'm confident we can get DJ JOnes because the new contract cap hits for Bosa and Deebo won't hit until 2024, and by then the cap (per AB81) should be going up as we're getting out of this covid situation now.
- Heroism
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Originally posted by Giedi:
Not too worried about Jones, considering we have Arik. Arik and Bosa are a good combo, and Kinlaw *might* be better than DJ Jones. We do have Givens as a DT on the team. If Jimmy's cap hit can be traded away, I'm confident we can get DJ JOnes because the new contract cap hits for Bosa and Deebo won't hit until 2024, and by then the cap (per AB81) should be going up as we're getting out of this covid situation now.
Kinlaw might be better than DJ Jones someday, but right now, it's not close. DJ Jones is a significantly better player against the run AND a pass rusher. DJ simply doesn't get the opportunities to rush the QB on money downs because he wasn't the 14th overall pick in the 2020 draft. But even in base on limited rush reps, DJ has consistently shown he's much better than Kinlaw in every aspect.
- Waterbear
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Originally posted by Heroism:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Not too worried about Jones, considering we have Arik. Arik and Bosa are a good combo, and Kinlaw *might* be better than DJ Jones. We do have Givens as a DT on the team. If Jimmy's cap hit can be traded away, I'm confident we can get DJ JOnes because the new contract cap hits for Bosa and Deebo won't hit until 2024, and by then the cap (per AB81) should be going up as we're getting out of this covid situation now.
Kinlaw might be better than DJ Jones someday, but right now, it's not close. DJ Jones is a significantly better player against the run AND a pass rusher. DJ simply doesn't get the opportunities to rush the QB on money downs because he wasn't the 14th overall pick in the 2020 draft. But even in base on limited rush reps, DJ has consistently shown he's much better than Kinlaw in every aspect.
If we lose DJ our defense immediately takes a decent step back IMO.
I wish we could get rid of MM or Ward instead :/
- NCommand
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Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Rams won the SB with a aging edge player, is edge really that important.
LOL. To his point, it doesn't matter in the playoffs if OL are just allowed to hold the entire game.
Tell that to Burrow
Touche'
I think we know what the Bengals offseason plan entails.
they should've false start like crazy like the rams did.
For real!!!!
