Defensive Line Thread

Originally posted by pdizo916:
I wonder if Demeco is going to blitz STafford more often or will he use his standard 4 man front.

4 man. Stafford does well against the blitz. He will pick his spots i'm sure but the 4 up front can get home.

Originally posted by Alfienator:
So who's the weakest link of the dline? Besides Kinlaw and to an extent Hurst due to injury.

I don't think there is much of a weakness. Anybody outside of Bosa and Arik (obviously) are going to be *weak* relatively speaking. But scheme also minimizes such weaknesses - in a sense. The new guys didn't get the kind of results they are getting now, example Arden Key. Kocurek is asking Key (for example) to just rush the passer, and not really worry about the run (on certain plays). On other run oriented plays, he's asked to slant in or gap penetrate and gum up the backfield for the RB. He's not asking Key to think or read and react - he's asking him to shoot the gaps (so to speak) which is his strength and let the back seven do the thinking.

What a great thread this has been the last 10 pages. We basically have the only 8 or 9 man starters for the. DL, with rotational players being considered starters also. Keeping the DL fresh has proved really valuable when one looks at 2nd half OLs playing with their tongues hanging out. Closer to the truth is the longer the game goes, the worse the OLs look, because our DL is getting a blow with our "starter rotational " DLs playing up to level of our starters.

That is just awesome.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
What a great thread this has been the last 10 pages. We basically have the only 8 or 9 man starters for the. DL, with rotational players being considered starters also. Keeping the DL fresh has proved really valuable when one looks at 2nd half OLs playing with their tongues hanging out. Closer to the truth is the longer the game goes, the worse the OLs look, because our DL is getting a blow with our "starter rotational " DLs playing up to level of our starters.

That is just awesome.

Doc, I remember that fatigue is correlated to injury. The fresher our DLIne is, the less injuries by definition!

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by pdizo916:
I wonder if Demeco is going to blitz STafford more often or will he use his standard 4 man front.

4 man. Stafford does well against the blitz. He will pick his spots i'm sure but the 4 up front can get home.

Stafford destroy blitzes. It's the reason why the Bucs got smoked, Todd Bowles blitz happy defense.
This DL can create pressure with 4 men. They Rams have even triple teamed Bosa at some point, leaving Armstead, Key and others in 1-1.
With 6 Rams blocking and 7 49ers defending 5 targets, they can double Kupp. If Stafford hold the football to long, our guys usually win their 1-1 matchups and Stafford does mistakes.
And if their running game goes nowhere, they'll be forced on long yardage situation.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
What a great thread this has been the last 10 pages. We basically have the only 8 or 9 man starters for the. DL, with rotational players being considered starters also. Keeping the DL fresh has proved really valuable when one looks at 2nd half OLs playing with their tongues hanging out. Closer to the truth is the longer the game goes, the worse the OLs look, because our DL is getting a blow with our "starter rotational " DLs playing up to level of our starters.

That is just awesome.

Doc, I remember that fatigue is correlated to injury. The fresher our DLIne is, the less injuries by definition!

True. And people wanted to pay Kerry Hyder. With the 6m Hyder got payed in Seattle, the 49ers are paying these rotational pieces Key, Jordan Willis, etc.
This is also the best run defense the team has had since 2011 when they didn't allow a rushing TD for like 14 weeks

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
What a great thread this has been the last 10 pages. We basically have the only 8 or 9 man starters for the. DL, with rotational players being considered starters also. Keeping the DL fresh has proved really valuable when one looks at 2nd half OLs playing with their tongues hanging out. Closer to the truth is the longer the game goes, the worse the OLs look, because our DL is getting a blow with our "starter rotational " DLs playing up to level of our starters.

That is just awesome.

Doc, I remember that fatigue is correlated to injury. The fresher our DLIne is, the less injuries by definition!

Yessir, that is true…just another benefit of having an 8 or 9 man DL. Really, looking around the NFL, a good team is really happy to have 4 good DL starters. And we got double that. Also Giedi, the bigger the guy who gets tired, is more likely to get injured…and all those DLs are BIG.

it gives one chills to think back before Arik was moved inside, our DL was just discombobulated, strung out, wasn't much shucks except for #97. It is truly amazing , once Meco and Coach K figured out how to man the DL, that in almost no time, we got the DL straightened out. It could be part of that was due to the uncertainty of whether Dee could play Edge or was he lost for the season. But once we figured that out, and Arik moved inside, man did that DL ever start to take shape.

And, no question, Kocurek gets huge plaudits for rounding Givens, Hurst, Ebuk, Omenihu, Street into shape. Basically the D has carried us the last 3 games…when our O started off slow the D kept us in the game and then the O caught fire. In GB it was the STs. But D led the way.

Originally posted by Hopper:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Hopper:
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Here is LT 77 Tyron losing way too often to 92 Charles Omenihu and 94 Jordan Willis. pic.twitter.com/pwsXRr3bLK

— Bob Sturm (@SportsSturm) January 17, 2022

I don't think Tyron Smith was healthy. Its hard for me to see him get owned that easily.

Who's really healthy this time of year.

He wasn't healthy. He should contemplate retirement has had too many injuries troughout his career.
The Rams OL is not healthy either.
Nor is Trent Williams, but a 1 legged Trent is still better than Colton.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
What a great thread this has been the last 10 pages. We basically have the only 8 or 9 man starters for the. DL, with rotational players being considered starters also. Keeping the DL fresh has proved really valuable when one looks at 2nd half OLs playing with their tongues hanging out. Closer to the truth is the longer the game goes, the worse the OLs look, because our DL is getting a blow with our "starter rotational " DLs playing up to level of our starters.

That is just awesome.

Doc, I remember that fatigue is correlated to injury. The fresher our DLIne is, the less injuries by definition!

Yessir, that is true…just another benefit of having an 8 or 9 man DL. Really, looking around the NFL, a good team is really happy to have 4 good DL starters. And we got double that. Also Giedi, the bigger the guy who gets tired, is more likely to get injured…and all those DLs are BIG.

it gives one chills to think back before Arik was moved inside, our DL was just discombobulated, strung out, wasn't much shucks except for #97. It is truly amazing , once Meco and Coach K figured out how to man the DL, that in almost no time, we got the DL straightened out. It could be part of that was due to the uncertainty of whether Dee could play Edge or was he lost for the season. But once we figured that out, and Arik moved inside, man did that DL ever start to take shape.

And, no question, Kocurek gets huge plaudits for rounding Givens, Hurst, Ebuk, Omenihu, Street into shape. Basically the D has carried us the last 3 games…when our O started off slow the D kept us in the game and then the O caught fire. In GB it was the STs. But D led the way.

Agree, and we get Kinlaw back next year!

Kocurek is the unsung hero of the defense. We do have Demeco and the rest of the assistant defensive coaches, but clearly ShanaLynch wants that DLine to be elite. Assuming John Lynch really has some say on the team, this looks like the Tampa Bay defense that he played for during the Brad Johnson QB heydays. (Brad Johnson being as immobile as Jimmy himself - in a sense too)

Hoping we can resign most of our dline that are FAs. Is there time to trade them after season if they want more money that we can't afford?

That is going to be one tough chore…deciding a) who we have to keep , b) who we'd like to keep, and c) who we can afford to keep? Man, that is going to be one nail-biting , hair pulling job. But, the value of an imposing D…make that a frightening D…with depth…has now been proven even to the most anti fans of drafting DLs early in first 3 rds. In a word, they have CARRIED us in the playoffs and the last Rams game .

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
That is going to be one tough chore…deciding a) who we have to keep , b) who we'd like to keep, and c) who we can afford to keep? Man, that is going to be one nail-biting , hair pulling job. But, the value of an imposing D…make that a frightening D…with depth…has now been proven even to the most anti fans of drafting DLs early in first 3 rds. In a word, they have CARRIED us in the playoffs and the last Rams game .

Well Kinlaws return might make the decisions easier, if he's healthy. I think 49ers have to make sure they keep Bosa. That's a no brainer right there. Bosa will be (I'm hearing from AB81 and others) 30+ million.

I think thats where you start. The second is to give kocurek a big pay raise. You have those two, I think you have 80% of what you need to form a good defensive line.

As for all our free agent DLinemen on a one year contract, well they are going to get raided by bottom feeding teams after a possible 49er super bowl appearance. Happens every time (2012 and 2019) its not going to change now. ShanaLynch will have to rebuild that DLine as best they can for the future. If we win the superbowl, everybody will be copying the Wide 9.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
That is going to be one tough chore…deciding a) who we have to keep , b) who we'd like to keep, and c) who we can afford to keep? Man, that is going to be one nail-biting , hair pulling job. But, the value of an imposing D…make that a frightening D…with depth…has now been proven even to the most anti fans of drafting DLs early in first 3 rds. In a word, they have CARRIED us in the playoffs and the last Rams game .

Well Kinlaws return might make the decisions easier, if he's healthy. I think 49ers have to make sure they keep Bosa. That's a no brainer right there. Bosa will be (I'm hearing from AB81 and others) 30+ million.

I think thats where you start. The second is to give kocurek a big pay raise. You have those two, I think you have 80% of what you need to form a good defensive line.

As for all our free agent DLinemen on a one year contract, well they are going to get raided by bottom feeding teams after a possible 49er super bowl appearance. Happens every time (2012 and 2019) its not going to change now. ShanaLynch will have to rebuild that DLine as best they can for the future. If we win the superbowl, everybody will be copying the Wide 9.

DDefinitely agree that Chris kosarek needs a raise...

Big time!!!

Charles 92 will have a big game for us. Seeing him see the players get game balls I think hes going to make a big play and get a game ball HE WANTS ONE!

The key to the game. Force the Rams to chip block the edge which makes coverage easier. Dominate the interior. Predicting a big game from AA, Key, and DJJ.