Defensive Line Thread

Originally posted by thl408:
Pick one (both will be UFA): DJ Jones or Arden Key

Both. 1T's are cheap and D.J. Jones is constantly dinged up. Constantly. Arden only has one solid year and that's as a 375 snap player with us. Paraag will be all over both these contracts easily with full leverage.

But Jones slightly > Arden. Hone grown wins.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by thl408:
Pick one (both will be UFA): DJ Jones or Arden Key

Both. 1T's are cheap and D.J. Jones is constantly dinged up. Constantly. Arden only has one solid year and that's as a 375 snap player with us. Paraag will be all over both these contracts easily with full leverage.

But Jones slightly > Arden. Hone grown wins.

I'm the opposite, if you buy your stuff on 1T's being a dime a dozen. Arden > DJ Jones. But yeah, tough to decide. So, I'd offer them the best under our current cap structure and let *them* decide what to do. I think ShanaLynch values edge rusher over interior rushers - considering what they gave to Dee Ford, and I think they will offer Arden more money than DJ Jones. Also considering that Kinlaw will be back (hopefully) in 2022 to offer the same kind of production that DJ Jones has had.

Hate to lose either of them though. CAP!

Dj Jones hands down for me. Replacing what he does isn't that simple.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by thl408:
Pick one (both will be UFA): DJ Jones or Arden Key

Both. 1T's are cheap and D.J. Jones is constantly dinged up. Constantly. Arden only has one solid year and that's as a 375 snap player with us. Paraag will be all over both these contracts easily with full leverage.

But Jones slightly > Arden. Hone grown wins.

I'm the opposite, if you buy your stuff on 1T's being a dime a dozen. Arden > DJ Jones. But yeah, tough to decide. So, I'd offer them the best under our current cap structure and let *them* decide what to do. I think ShanaLynch values edge rusher over interior rushers - considering what they gave to Dee Ford, and I think they will offer Arden more money than DJ Jones. Also considering that Kinlaw will be back (hopefully) in 2022 to offer the same kind of production that DJ Jones has had.

Hate to lose either of them though. CAP!

I'd have no arguments using my own take against me here either. That said, Arden is still a 3T inside with AA on passing downs. So technically, they are both inside
But pass rush is the premium so who's a better disruptor? Jones at 1T on base downs or Arden at 3T on passing downs? TFL? Run or pass disruptions? Tough call.

And that's a good thing!

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by thl408:
Pick one (both will be UFA): DJ Jones or Arden Key

Both. 1T's are cheap and D.J. Jones is constantly dinged up. Constantly. Arden only has one solid year and that's as a 375 snap player with us. Paraag will be all over both these contracts easily with full leverage.

But Jones slightly > Arden. Hone grown wins.

I'm the opposite, if you buy your stuff on 1T's being a dime a dozen. Arden > DJ Jones. But yeah, tough to decide. So, I'd offer them the best under our current cap structure and let *them* decide what to do. I think ShanaLynch values edge rusher over interior rushers - considering what they gave to Dee Ford, and I think they will offer Arden more money than DJ Jones. Also considering that Kinlaw will be back (hopefully) in 2022 to offer the same kind of production that DJ Jones has had.

Hate to lose either of them though. CAP!

I'd have no arguments using my own take against me here either. That said, Arden is still a 3T inside with AA on passing downs. So technically, they are both inside
But pass rush is the premium so who's a better disruptor? Jones at 1T on base downs or Arden at 3T on passing downs? TFL? Run or pass disruptions? Tough call.

And that's a good thing!

Gun to my head, I think I have to go DJJ. Not downplaying what Key has done, which is why I posed this question. Not expecting any kind of hometown discount here - go get that money. Which is why it might be one or the other.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by thl408:
Pick one (both will be UFA): DJ Jones or Arden Key

Both. 1T's are cheap and D.J. Jones is constantly dinged up. Constantly. Arden only has one solid year and that's as a 375 snap player with us. Paraag will be all over both these contracts easily with full leverage.

But Jones slightly > Arden. Hone grown wins.

I'm the opposite, if you buy your stuff on 1T's being a dime a dozen. Arden > DJ Jones. But yeah, tough to decide. So, I'd offer them the best under our current cap structure and let *them* decide what to do. I think ShanaLynch values edge rusher over interior rushers - considering what they gave to Dee Ford, and I think they will offer Arden more money than DJ Jones. Also considering that Kinlaw will be back (hopefully) in 2022 to offer the same kind of production that DJ Jones has had.

Hate to lose either of them though. CAP!

I'd have no arguments using my own take against me here either. That said, Arden is still a 3T inside with AA on passing downs. So technically, they are both inside
But pass rush is the premium so who's a better disruptor? Jones at 1T on base downs or Arden at 3T on passing downs? TFL? Run or pass disruptions? Tough call.

And that's a good thing!

Gun to my head, I think I have to go DJJ. Not downplaying what Key has done, which is why I posed this question. Not expecting any kind of hometown discount here - go get that money. Which is why it might be one or the other.

Totally. I think this FO almost always leans to their own too so I'm with you.

DJ has been good since day 1. The only thing that gives me pause about him is that he's always banged up.

If they can't resign DJJ and Kinlaw comes back healthy, I wonder if they consider just moving him to DJ's spot. That way they can keep AA inside in base.

Originally posted by Heroism:
DJ has been good since day 1. The only thing that gives me pause about him is that he's always banged up.

If they can't resign DJJ and Kinlaw comes back healthy, I wonder if they consider just moving him to DJ's spot. That way they can keep AA inside in base.

if the math works with the cap, try to keep him and keep a nice rotation going knowing these guys are porcelain.

*1 extra game.

I remember the depth of the d-line being hyped in training camp and then it fell flat when guys like Kerr, Hurst, and Kinlaw never really contributed, but overall the unit came through for us. It's unlikely we'll have a d-line as good as the 2019 version for a long time, but the front 7 is still top tier.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

The final regular season tally...

2019 49ers sacks: 48
2021 49ers sacks: 48

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) January 12, 2022

*1 extra game.

I remember the depth of the d-line being hyped in training camp and then it fell flat when guys like Kerr, Hurst, and Kinlaw never really contributed, but overall the unit came through for us. It's unlikely we'll have a d-line as good as the 2019 version for a long time, but the front 7 is still top tier.

Moving Arik Armstead inside and Arden Key inside on money downs changed the pass rush. They came alive after that.

Pretty remarkable how this unit ramped it up after a slow start. Coincided with the teams turnaround

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

The final regular season tally...

2019 49ers sacks: 48
2021 49ers sacks: 48

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) January 12, 2022

*1 extra game.

I remember the depth of the d-line being hyped in training camp and then it fell flat when guys like Kerr, Hurst, and Kinlaw never really contributed, but overall the unit came through for us. It's unlikely we'll have a d-line as good as the 2019 version for a long time, but the front 7 is still top tier.

Moving Arik Armstead inside and Arden Key inside on money downs changed the pass rush. They came alive after that.

No question.

Originally posted by Heroism:
DJ has been good since day 1. The only thing that gives me pause about him is that he's always banged up.

If they can't resign DJJ and Kinlaw comes back healthy, I wonder if they consider just moving him to DJ's spot. That way they can keep AA inside in base.

The "title change" to 1T for the 14th overall pick would have fans losing their minds...even if it's probably the right thing to do.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Pretty remarkable how this unit ramped it up after a slow start. Coincided with the teams turnaround

totally agree! This makes the development of Ambris, Lenoir and Huf even more effective.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by thl408:
Pick one (both will be UFA): DJ Jones or Arden Key

Both. 1T's are cheap and D.J. Jones is constantly dinged up. Constantly. Arden only has one solid year and that's as a 375 snap player with us. Paraag will be all over both these contracts easily with full leverage.

But Jones slightly > Arden. Hone grown wins.

I'm the opposite, if you buy your stuff on 1T's being a dime a dozen. Arden > DJ Jones. But yeah, tough to decide. So, I'd offer them the best under our current cap structure and let *them* decide what to do. I think ShanaLynch values edge rusher over interior rushers - considering what they gave to Dee Ford, and I think they will offer Arden more money than DJ Jones. Also considering that Kinlaw will be back (hopefully) in 2022 to offer the same kind of production that DJ Jones has had.

Hate to lose either of them though. CAP!

I'd have no arguments using my own take against me here either. That said, Arden is still a 3T inside with AA on passing downs. So technically, they are both inside
But pass rush is the premium so who's a better disruptor? Jones at 1T on base downs or Arden at 3T on passing downs? TFL? Run or pass disruptions? Tough call.

And that's a good thing!

Between DJ Jones and Kinlaw, with Kinlaw hopeuflly coming back in 2022. That might be the difference for me. Do you gamble that Kinlaw can replace DJ Jones? I don't know. I know that we didn't re-sign Hyder, and maybe age as well as more money from Seadderal as the reason. But I also think you can get DT's that can absorb double teams - easily in the day three picks or undrafted. It's the gap penetrators that are hard to find. If I had a choice between Kinlaw and DJ Jones, I'd pick DJ because he's available. Between Arden and DJ Jones, I'd really be stressed out and probably vomit under the stress load before I would also pick DJ Jones, because I think he's explosive and can do a lot of stunts and dogs with Bosa. I just don't know about Kinlaw yet to really gamble on him. I need to know how he's rehabbing and how he's recovering. Otherwise, I'll go with availability vs ability. DJ's also been hurt in the past, but hopefully he's more conditioned now such that he's lasted pretty much the whole 18 weeks. Arrow up for DJ for me.