SF 49ERS @ AZ CARDINALS PRE GAMEDAY THREAD - 2018 Season Week 8

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:

With Jimmy G we're 5-3 right now

Facts.

Originally posted by BigBug415:

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:

With Jimmy G we're 5-3 right now

Facts.

With a good coach the team wouldn't have been swept by the Tards

Originally posted by BigBug415:

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:

With Jimmy G we're 5-3 right now

Facts.

Well you know what they say about if's and but's. I'm more worried about the fact that Jimmy has yet to make it through a 16 game schedule without suffering a major injury. He's shown great ability at times, but unfortunately there's quite a bit of uncertainty with Jimmy as being able to stay healthy.

Yes, this team sucks. The next two weeks will let us know how bad -- Raiders then Giants at home. Putting money on winning one of the games.

Originally posted by linkboy:

Originally posted by Nastastical:
Cousins struggled early, Ryan too, and Jimmy didn't look like the Jimmy from last season when Shanny gave him the whole playbook to run. Everyone knows this offense takes time to learn, yet you guys expect a 3rd round QB in his 2nd season to have it mastered? CJ looks overwhelmed right now and this is why he holds onto the ball too long. His brain, eyes and arm aren't working together right now.

Our one biggest mistake was not bringing in Matt Schaub, but I can understand why they didn't want to carry 3 QB's or if Schaub even wanted to keep playing. No one expected Jimmy to be lost in week 3.

CJ Bethard draft profile

The knock on CJ coming out of college was the same problems he's having now, which is quoted below.

Hesitation is a noticeable issue. Often late to pull trigger on throws toward the sideline, forcing receivers into boundary and out of the catch. Slow field scanner who tends to lock into a single side. Too much eye-balling and not enough manipulating. Poor feel for pocket pressure. Two-year sack total of 58 is too high in play-action attack. Anchors deep in pocket and rarely climbs pocket to safe harbor. Oblivious to backside pressure until it's too late. Needs more air under the long ball. Deep-ball accuracy has been terrible. Completed under 30 percent of throws beyond 20 yards in last two seasons at Iowa. Completed just 43 percent of throws beyond line of scrimmage to right sideline.

Shanny was feeling himself and got to arrogant / cocky in believing that he could work magic on this bum...

Originally posted by Loco49er:

Originally posted by BigBug415:

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:
With Jimmy G we're 5-3 right now

Facts.

With a good coach the team wouldn't have been swept by the Tards

Facts.

Originally posted by LivingInExile:

Yes, this team sucks. The next two weeks will let us know how bad -- Raiders then Giants at home. Putting money on winning one of the games.

Lol, do you not like your money?

Yes I like my money, I just have a feeling the NY team will suck.

Originally posted by LivingInExile:
Yes I like my money, I just have a feeling the NY team will suck.

I want to win both, but it seems both the opposing offenses could shred our defense apart at will.

Their defenses aren't great either, but our offense (players / coaching) isn't anything to be bragging about right now.

The silver lining here is that Jimmy G won't be able to masque the shortfalls of the other players or coaches like he did last year. During the off-season we need a whole new defense coordinator and staff, along with a top pick in every round that we have to hit on, then we can really build this franchise properly.

Originally posted by mitpdub:

The silver lining here is that Jimmy G won't be able to masque the shortfalls of the other players or coaches like he did last year. During the off-season we need a whole new defense coordinator and staff, along with a top pick in every round that we have to hit on, then we can really build this franchise properly.

And spend some damn money on some legit free agents

Originally posted by LVJay:

Originally posted by LivingInExile:

Yes I like my money, I just have a feeling the NY team will suck.

I want to win both, but it seems both the opposing offenses could shred our defense apart at will.

Their defenses aren't great either, but our offense (players / coaching) isn't anything to be bragging about right now.

Why and ruining our chances of drafting #1?

Look, here's the deal. Drafting Any quarterback off of college performance is a risky proposition. That's why taking one very high and losing can be Very costly. Yes, you need certain things that can be evaluated, like being "tough", but ultimately, you need a quick mind to understand and react to the complexities of your offense and especially what NFL defenses can do to counter your weaknesses. Collegiate ball does not begin to reveal this aptitude, and it is the main thing that separates NFL quarterbacks. You have to make quick in play decisions to run a complex offense, and you need a complex offense built to react to defensive moves to not become defensible. The best plan, once you have someone you can work with like Jimmy, is to just keep drafting or acquiring them without paying too high a price, and don't be bashful about tossing them out and trying again. That is where we are at.

I don't think Kyle is any happier than I am right now with CJ's performance. I think we both know, right now, that he is not the answer at backup next year. I don't know what happens the rest of this year, with our limited options, but I think Beathard just played himself off the team in the off season, and that will be Kyle's mindset.

I will say that I think Kyle overweighs certain traits in players while ignoring others, and whether he's looking at a running back or quarterback, he needs to rely on Lynch to make more balanced draft and free agent picks. Lynch knows what Kyle needs by now, and he just needs to do it.

The other test is can Kyle take the same tough minded approach with his staff. He came into the job late last year when most of the great options were taken, but enough is enough. He needs a major upgrade across the board, and I'll bet both Lynch and his Dad wil tell him so. Can he do that? I don't know, but he won't last if he can't.

Originally posted by braap49er:

Originally posted by LVJay:

Originally posted by LivingInExile:
Yes I like my money, I just have a feeling the NY team will suck.

I want to win both, but it seems both the opposing offenses could shred our defense apart at will.

Their defenses aren't great either, but our offense (players / coaching) isn't anything to be bragging about right now.

Why and ruining our chances of drafting #1?

I'd be fine with that if we were cutting everyone. It's a loser mentality. The youngsters need to learn how to win and gain some confidence (we lack both). Besides, we can easily screw the pick...not much faith with FO lately.

Originally posted by linkboy:

Bethard is who he is, a QB that holds the ball to long, has bad pocket presence and was drafted two rounds earlier then he should have been. He's not going to be a long term starter in this league. At best, he's going to be a career backup.

Not if he continues playing like this, he isn't.