Week 2 2018 - Thoughts after rewatching the game... | Page 4

Marvin49 · 2018-09-18T09:15:40-07:00

So I waited a day on this one because I was at the game and didn't get a chance to re-watch it Sunday night. I wanted to make sure I saw what I thought I saw at the game. 1) Garoppolo: I THINK I know whats kinda going on with him. I'm not married to the theory but this is what I think. Last year he didn't know the offense really much at all and was just wingin it when he wasn't sure. Shanahan said as much about how often he goes off schedule when he isn't sure. He played several games that way and was impressive. Now, He's really trying to stay in the design of the play and he's still learning the offense. This isn't a negative BTW. ALL QBs struggle in their first year with Shanahan. Some called him the "QB KILLER" in the past. A good example is Matt Ryan. In year one with Shanahan, Ryan had 21 TDs, 16 INTs, a 7.48 Average per attempt, and a QB Rating of 89. In year TWO with Shanahan, he had 38 TDs, 7 INTs, a 9.26 Average per attempt, and a QB rating of 117.1. Yes, Jimmy came in last year and technically this is year 2 in SF, but he's only had one real offseason and 7 starts under Shanahan. This is all just a long way of saying I think Jimmys in his head just a bit. The combo of him trying to work through his reads, guys not getting open, and his desire not to throw INTs has frozen him a bit and is causing him to take sacks he shouldn't take and wouldn't have taken last year. It also means that once he's more comfortable I think he'll be a whole lot better. He had a rough week one and week 2 was good, but it just wasn't what our expectations are. Patience. 2) WRs: I also want to make this clear - It ain't all Jimmy. The guys running the routes are still making mistakes as well. Running wrong routes, dropping the ball, or simply not getting separation. This team is not a finished product. We'll get there. I never thought I'd say this before the season started last year, but Goodwin simply cannot come back fast enough. They need that speed out there. 3) Pettis: Dante Pettis to me is a bit of a conundrum. The way he runs is so unorthodox. I really like the guy but sometimes I can't really tell if he's not trying hard or if his style just makes it LOOK like he's not trying hard. He is so smooth and even when he jukes it isn't a quick twitch, jerky movement. I still think the way he runs routes sometimes throws off the QB and I think that's why on the air they spoke about Garoppolo running routes with him so that Pettis would know where the ball would be and when. Once they figure that out tho...wow. He could do real damage in space. 4) DeForest Buckner: Still a monster. 5) Breida: I have to admit, I've never really given Breida a chance. I've always doubted him. I've always wanted someone else to play ahead of him. Be it Joe Williams, or Jet, I've always hoped someone would beat him out...and I can't really even tell you why. That all stopped on Sunday. He got some great blocking so it wasn't all him, but that dude can play. He averaged 4.4 yards per carry LAST year to Hydes 3.9. This year (and yes its way early and the 66 yard run makes a big difference) he's averaging a whopping 8.4 yards per carry. Even if you remove the 66 yarder he's averaging 5.6 yards per carry. This is what the Shanahans do. They find guys seemingly from nowhere, they find specific traits they are looking for, they plug them in and BOOM, 1000 yard back. Terrell Davis. Olandis Gary. Mike Anderson. Arian Foster (Kubiak running Shanahan system and later having Kyle as OC). Alfred Morris. Its too early to say that's what Breida will be, but all my doubts on him have begun to dissipate. When it comes to the RB position, I trust in the Shanahan. 6) Pass Rush: This will be an issue all year, particularly from the outside. Solomon Thomas simply isn't that guy. He may end up being a very good player, but he's never going to be a premiere edge rusher. The 49ers won't be a REAL threat for a title until they find THAT guy. The 49ers in 1981 were good but it was the trade for Fred Dean that put them over the top. The Cowboys of the 90s were very good but it was the trade for Charles Haley that put THEM over the top. For me Khalil Mack could have been that guy but that option is gone. They need to find that guy. Teams these days put even more importance on that position than they did in the 80s or 90s so no sane team will give a good one up in trade. This will have to be a position they draft and I'd guess with an early pick next year. DeForest is a beast in the middle...now they need an outside rusher to compliment him. 7) Colbert: I was excited about his play late last year but i gotta say his star is falling dramatically for me. Bad angles, missed tackles, usually not in the picture in pass D and getting trucked by Blount (although admittedly he wasn't alone there). Hope he bounces back but so far color me unimpressed by his play. 8) Taylor: His lack of speed is beginning to show. Seems like he's having alot of trouble getting open this year. When the ball is thrown his way seems very often a safety is just waiting for it or a DB is draped all over him. I wouldn't be surprised if at some point this year we start seeing Ritchie James. I like Taylor and maybe he bounces back, but I have my doubts. 9) Kittle: Man that guy would be a monster if he'd hang onto the ball. Now the worst drop he had was admittedly a great play by the defender, but Kittle has a huge upside. No, he isn't Vernon Davis, but there has only ever been one Vernon Davis. Ever. What he can be though is a faster Jason Witten. I'll take that. 10) LB: WOW has the LB play sucked this year. Warner is out there playing very well (although makes a few mistakes and I still don't think he plays as physically as he should), but every other LB is just horrible. Lee was faster than Coyle (low bar to clear) but its no help to get to the spot of you can't make the play when you get there. Nzeocha was no better. There is some good news tho. For a long time I've been wanting to say this. There were some times that I thought it would never happen and that his time was done. His legal problems are behind him. His suspension is behind him. If he stays on the right path, its ALL behind him. Reuben. Is. Back.

Sep 18, 2018 at 11:57 AM

#46

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Originally posted by Marvin49:
I really hate this reasoning.

1) A reason for a performance isn't an excuse. He needs to play better. Figuring out why he's not is NOT excusing it. Its explaining it in order to better understand whats happening. Winners find out why it isn't working and fix it. Losers throw out the baby with the bathwater.

2) They don't need Julio Jones. Sure, it would be nice, but my expectation isn't the 6th highest scoring offense in NFL history. Its a top 5 offense which is completely achievable once everyone is on the same page.

"I need to get my 2-year son to hold the cup more upright to avoid spilling the milk. Something he's going to have to work on."

"Dude stop making excuses for your son smh"

Sep 18, 2018 at 12:01 PM

#47

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Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by Marvin49:
I really hate this reasoning.

1) A reason for a performance isn't an excuse. He needs to play better. Figuring out why he's not is NOT excusing it. Its explaining it in order to better understand whats happening. Winners find out why it isn't working and fix it. Losers throw out the baby with the bathwater.

2) They don't need Julio Jones. Sure, it would be nice, but my expectation isn't the 6th highest scoring offense in NFL history. Its a top 5 offense which is completely achievable once everyone is on the same page.

"I need to get my 2-year son to hold the cup more upright to avoid spilling the milk. Something he's going to have to work on."

"Dude stop making excuses for your son smh"

LMAO

Sep 18, 2018 at 12:02 PM

#48

Marvin49
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Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by Marvin49:
I really hate this reasoning.

1) A reason for a performance isn't an excuse. He needs to play better. Figuring out why he's not is NOT excusing it. Its explaining it in order to better understand whats happening. Winners find out why it isn't working and fix it. Losers throw out the baby with the bathwater.

2) They don't need Julio Jones. Sure, it would be nice, but my expectation isn't the 6th highest scoring offense in NFL history. Its a top 5 offense which is completely achievable once everyone is on the same page.

"I need to get my 2-year son to hold the cup more upright to avoid spilling the milk. Something he's going to have to work on."

"Dude stop making excuses for your son smh"

Sep 18, 2018 at 12:24 PM

#49

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They are still a pretty young team learning a complex offense and dealing with an injury to their top wide out. A couple of plays here or there and they could have beaten the Vikings. If Garoppolo hits that slant to Kittle they might have had another TD against the Lions. Though of course they got lucky on the interception and Stafford also had a couple of near misses. Football really is a game of inches sometimes. They are going into a really tough stretch of games that will determine how the rest of their season is going to go. The KC game will be especially tough. That is one that I thought might be a win going into the season because of their defense but with the way Mahomes is playing all bets are off.

Jimmy G. is only going into his tenth game as a starter so is probably still learning. Six sacks should be quite a teacher so we'll see how he responds. I do agree that he seems to be a bit out of sync so far this year but at the moment it still feels like he will eventually get on track. The drops haven't helped.

Witherspoon had a tough game so now we'll see how he responds. Lack of a pass rush is really hurting them. I had hoped they might be able to scheme some more pressure this year but so far that isn't happening. Clearly the Marsh experiment is a failure. Now they really will have to find somebody who can come off the edge. Still sorry they let McFadden go. I'd be curious to hear the inside story on that. He always seemed to have really good technique when he was in the game, though at times he didn't look like he was ready to mix it up on the tackling end. Wonder if it was a speed issue.

Breida really showed up to play. That long run really was something. He started out by slipping through a gap that was about 18 inches wide and then showed tremendous patience running behind Garcon for the last 10 yards or so. Hopefully he will get some more opportunities. Thought Morris was solid too. They make a pretty good combo.

Reed can really get up the field as a returner. With their kickers and Mostert and Pettis and Taylor that unit could really end up being a difference maker in some games.

All in all I thought it was a pretty good effort though, as I said, the offense still seems to be a bit out of sync. Huge test coming next week and two games under their belts to see where they need to improve. Could be an entertaining game. Go Niners!!

Sep 18, 2018 at 12:36 PM

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Great post Marvin, always a favorite.
Joe Fann had a good line.
People were encouraged by the loss to Minnesota but down about the win over the Lions.
Yeah, I want them to dominate everyone and put the fear into opponents like the 80's and early 90's Niners but even an "ehhh" over an ugly win is better than the feeling I would be having this week if they had lost.

Was interesting that Spielman was saying that Lion's CB's are taught to play the WR's arms for the ball in the air and not turn and look for the ball so that they don't lose track of their man. Is that why 49er DB's never see the ball coming? Same method?
What's up with the poor tackling? Fear of the new rule infraction?
The Lions defense was making Shermans style look like he's germaphobic the way they were grabbing the Niners WR's and TE's

[ Edited by Sourball on Sep 18, 2018 at 12:36 PM ]

Sep 18, 2018 at 12:41 PM

#51

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Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by Ensatsu:
It will take Kyle Shanahan like 5 years to get Jimmy G to that Matt Ryan MVP level, and that's only if we luck out on a Julio Jones in the draft.

I don't want to hear these excuses that he's still learning the scheme. We will probably say that next year too unless these receivers step up.

At one point the offense was +17 ahead. It wasn't the offense that let the Lions back into the game.

Sep 18, 2018 at 12:44 PM

#52

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Originally posted by WestCoastForever:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:
It will take Kyle Shanahan like 5 years to get Jimmy G to that Matt Ryan MVP level, and that's only if we luck out on a Julio Jones in the draft.

I don't want to hear these excuses that he's still learning the scheme. We will probably say that next year too unless these receivers step up.

At one point the offense was +17 ahead. It wasn't the offense that let the Lions back into the game.

well ten points were because of the defense and special teams.

Sep 18, 2018 at 12:44 PM

#53

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Happy with where we are but still need to clean up a lot on Defense. Tired of seeing piss poor tackling technique and Tartt always looking for the big hit. I know Akhello has struggled but want to see more of an impact from our other pass rushers and safeties. Linebackers seem ok with our depth

Sep 18, 2018 at 12:53 PM

#54

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Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by WestCoastForever:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:
It will take Kyle Shanahan like 5 years to get Jimmy G to that Matt Ryan MVP level, and that's only if we luck out on a Julio Jones in the draft.

I don't want to hear these excuses that he's still learning the scheme. We will probably say that next year too unless these receivers step up.

At one point the offense was +17 ahead. It wasn't the offense that let the Lions back into the game.

well ten points were because of the defense and special teams.

And that's a bad thing because offenses should never capitalize on what defense and special teams do....

Sep 18, 2018 at 12:56 PM

#55

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Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by WestCoastForever:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:
It will take Kyle Shanahan like 5 years to get Jimmy G to that Matt Ryan MVP level, and that's only if we luck out on a Julio Jones in the draft.

I don't want to hear these excuses that he's still learning the scheme. We will probably say that next year too unless these receivers step up.

At one point the offense was +17 ahead. It wasn't the offense that let the Lions back into the game.

well ten points were because of the defense and special teams.

Sus, is that you being positive?

Ok, who hacked into Susweels account! NC? JD? thl?

Sep 18, 2018 at 12:57 PM

#56

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Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by WestCoastForever:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:
It will take Kyle Shanahan like 5 years to get Jimmy G to that Matt Ryan MVP level, and that's only if we luck out on a Julio Jones in the draft.

I don't want to hear these excuses that he's still learning the scheme. We will probably say that next year too unless these receivers step up.

At one point the offense was +17 ahead. It wasn't the offense that let the Lions back into the game.

well ten points were because of the defense and special teams.

Sus, is that you being positive? Ok, who hacked into Susweels account! NC? JD? thl?

hey at least we won right

Sep 18, 2018 at 12:59 PM

#57

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Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by WestCoastForever:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:
It will take Kyle Shanahan like 5 years to get Jimmy G to that Matt Ryan MVP level, and that's only if we luck out on a Julio Jones in the draft.

I don't want to hear these excuses that he's still learning the scheme. We will probably say that next year too unless these receivers step up.

At one point the offense was +17 ahead. It wasn't the offense that let the Lions back into the game.

well ten points were because of the defense and special teams.

Sus, is that you being positive? Ok, who hacked into Susweels account! NC? JD? thl?

Pretty sure that wasn't supposed to be a positive post. That was an attack on our offense.

Sep 18, 2018 at 1:18 PM

#58

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Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by Giedi:
No new, just focused on the doom and gloom. Nothing wrong with that. Just saying 1-1 is a heck of a lot better than 0-2 (last years record).

agree, but there is nothing wrong about pointing out the multiple flaws of a seriously over rated team,. and in some cases those flaws were there at the end of last year before free agency and the draft

No, their isn't...and I pointed out several in my post.

This isn't pointed at you...wanna say that in advance...but seems many are really salty that the team isn't meeting preseason hype and saying that they were always overhyped.

Lets say thats true (and probably is). Why be salty? Sure as hell wasn't Lynch or Shanahan doing to over hyping.
Facts. All offseason Shanahan was trying to kill the hype.

Well, it fits their narrative, so they'll do anything to strengthen an already weak and predictable post...

[ Edited by zeppfan1 on Sep 18, 2018 at 1:19 PM ]

Sep 18, 2018 at 2:15 PM

#59

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Great analysis as always!

btw did they ever say what Sherm was talking to Lynch about on the sidelines?

Sep 18, 2018 at 2:35 PM

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Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by WestCoastForever:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:
It will take Kyle Shanahan like 5 years to get Jimmy G to that Matt Ryan MVP level, and that's only if we luck out on a Julio Jones in the draft.

I don't want to hear these excuses that he's still learning the scheme. We will probably say that next year too unless these receivers step up.

At one point the offense was +17 ahead. It wasn't the offense that let the Lions back into the game.

well ten points were because of the defense and special teams.

Sus, is that you being positive? Ok, who hacked into Susweels account! NC? JD? thl?

Pretty sure that wasn't supposed to be a positive post. That was an attack on our offense.

I know. But that's as positive as you'll get from Mr. Susweel. Like I said before, when I see newbies fall into Sus' traps, and also some veterans, I have this unfortunate morbid fascination of watching the thread to see how it turns out. It's akin to watching a fly getting caught in a spiders web and the spider basically drooling as the fly just keeps getting deeper and deeper entangled in said web and increasingly diminishing the fly's odds of escaping.