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Week 2 2018 - Thoughts after rewatching the game...

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  • cciowa
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Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by Ensatsu:
It will take Kyle Shanahan like 5 years to get Jimmy G to that Matt Ryan MVP level, and that's only if we luck out on a Julio Jones in the draft.

I don't want to hear these excuses that he's still learning the scheme. We will probably say that next year too unless these receivers step up.

Yeah that excuse aint gonna fly when you pay that much money to a player. He's gotta perform now or its a disaster.
there will always be excuses. you must be new to the zone
We have similar thoughts WRT Sunday's game. A few things that I liked and some that I didn't:

- Jimmy has got to throw the ball away when nobody's open...he took way too many sacks and lost yards.
- Beyond receivers not running the right routes, they're not coming back toward Jimmy to give him a legitimate target when the route either breaks down or the defender's on them like glue. They have to learn to do that.
- Shanahan does need a "big" WR...look at how the Lions used theirs, throwing over our shorter CB's for completions and/or TD's.
- You're right WRT the overall LB play...it wasn't pretty. Warner made some rookie mistakes, but this kid's got plenty of game. Once Foster's in there and hopefully Smith, our LB corps should be much better. The more that group improves, the better it'll be for the secondary.
- Speaking of the secondary, they did a lousy job of coverage. Witherspoon had a really rough time and got benched for it.
- WRT the pass rush, when it counted most in the 4th qtr, they couldn't get close to Stafford.
- Niners don't have the killer instinct yet...up 27-13, they couldn't close the door on the Lions. That needs to change
- Breida can sort of lull you to sleep, then bam, he explodes. Would like to see them integrate him more in the passing game...with his open field prowess, he could make some big plays there, too.
- Buckner has to get recognized this year for the beast he is...I get Donald's arguably the premier inside DT in the league, but Buck's a rising star and should be in the Pro Bowl as a minimum.
- Armstead actually played pretty well...he doesn't get the sacks Buck does, but he's a reason DB does. He just needs to stay healthy, and that tandem can do some great things.
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Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by Ensatsu:
It will take Kyle Shanahan like 5 years to get Jimmy G to that Matt Ryan MVP level, and that's only if we luck out on a Julio Jones in the draft.

I don't want to hear these excuses that he's still learning the scheme. We will probably say that next year too unless these receivers step up.

Yeah that excuse aint gonna fly when you pay that much money to a player. He's gotta perform now or its a disaster.
there will always be excuses. you must be new to the zone

No new, just focused on the doom and gloom. Nothing wrong with that. Just saying 1-1 is a heck of a lot better than 0-2 (last years record).
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Originally posted by Giedi:
No new, just focused on the doom and gloom. Nothing wrong with that. Just saying 1-1 is a heck of a lot better than 0-2 (last years record).

agree, but there is nothing wrong about pointing out the multiple flaws of a seriously over rated team,. and in some cases those flaws were there at the end of last year before free agency and the draft
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Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by Giedi:
No new, just focused on the doom and gloom. Nothing wrong with that. Just saying 1-1 is a heck of a lot better than 0-2 (last years record).

agree, but there is nothing wrong about pointing out the multiple flaws of a seriously over rated team,. and in some cases those flaws were there at the end of last year before free agency and the draft
For sure, and like I said, there's nothing wrong with that. It is what it is. So now the focus is on Saleh and whether he can develop his players to be able to pass rush better. While we don't have Kalil Mack, we do have Buckner, and while he's not an ideal LEO, he **can** rush the passer and it's my hope Saleh can put in in more situations where he can use that pass rush skill to greater effect. If Buckner is being doubled at the 3-tech position - *that* is not the best place to put Buckner. Put him somewhere else, **or** move him around and screw up Mahomes' pass protection calls to get Solly freed up. So go ahead and double Buckner at LEO, that frees up Solly at 3-tech to kill Mahomes. Just my simple and positive outlook.
Originally posted by susweel:
So basically kyle is destroying a perfectly coached up qb. Got it

This might be the worst post I've ever seen from you.
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by susweel:
So basically kyle is destroying a perfectly coached up qb. Got it

Same ol' Sus.

Yes, Kyle is ruining him in the same way that he "ruined" Matt Ryan in 2015. Its to bad that Ryan was ruined for the rest of his career...what? Huh? Whats that you say? League MVP in 2016?

Oh. Nevermind. :D

What's your opinion on the worst player in the secondary akello wisherspoon ?

I think he's young and raw with alot of ability but is making WAY, WAY too many mental errors. I think he gets this year to figure it out but if he doesn't they'll be looking for a replacement next year. If he keeps having games like he did on Sunday though, we may see Ward earn a bit more of the 8 million dollar contract this year.
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by Ensatsu:
It will take Kyle Shanahan like 5 years to get Jimmy G to that Matt Ryan MVP level, and that's only if we luck out on a Julio Jones in the draft.

I don't want to hear these excuses that he's still learning the scheme. We will probably say that next year too unless these receivers step up.

Yeah that excuse aint gonna fly when you pay that much money to a player. He's gotta perform now or its a disaster.
there will always be excuses. you must be new to the zone

As well as panic if there isn't absolute domination all the time on every play. See the 49ers of the 90s.
Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
We have similar thoughts WRT Sunday's game. A few things that I liked and some that I didn't:

- Jimmy has got to throw the ball away when nobody's open...he took way too many sacks and lost yards.
- Beyond receivers not running the right routes, they're not coming back toward Jimmy to give him a legitimate target when the route either breaks down or the defender's on them like glue. They have to learn to do that.
- Shanahan does need a "big" WR...look at how the Lions used theirs, throwing over our shorter CB's for completions and/or TD's.
- You're right WRT the overall LB play...it wasn't pretty. Warner made some rookie mistakes, but this kid's got plenty of game. Once Foster's in there and hopefully Smith, our LB corps should be much better. The more that group improves, the better it'll be for the secondary.
- Speaking of the secondary, they did a lousy job of coverage. Witherspoon had a really rough time and got benched for it.
- WRT the pass rush, when it counted most in the 4th qtr, they couldn't get close to Stafford.
- Niners don't have the killer instinct yet...up 27-13, they couldn't close the door on the Lions. That needs to change
- Breida can sort of lull you to sleep, then bam, he explodes. Would like to see them integrate him more in the passing game...with his open field prowess, he could make some big plays there, too.
- Buckner has to get recognized this year for the beast he is...I get Donald's arguably the premier inside DT in the league, but Buck's a rising star and should be in the Pro Bowl as a minimum.
- Armstead actually played pretty well...he doesn't get the sacks Buck does, but he's a reason DB does. He just needs to stay healthy, and that tandem can do some great things.

What would you consider a big receiver? 6'2, 6'3, taller?
Originally posted by Ensatsu:
It will take Kyle Shanahan like 5 years to get Jimmy G to that Matt Ryan MVP level, and that's only if we luck out on a Julio Jones in the draft.

I don't want to hear these excuses that he's still learning the scheme. We will probably say that next year too unless these receivers step up.

I really hate this reasoning.

1) A reason for a performance isn't an excuse. He needs to play better. Figuring out why he's not is NOT excusing it. Its explaining it in order to better understand whats happening. Winners find out why it isn't working and fix it. Losers throw out the baby with the bathwater.

2) They don't need Julio Jones. Sure, it would be nice, but my expectation isn't the 6th highest scoring offense in NFL history. Its a top 5 offense which is completely achievable once everyone is on the same page.

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Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
We have similar thoughts WRT Sunday's game. A few things that I liked and some that I didn't:

- Jimmy has got to throw the ball away when nobody's open...he took way too many sacks and lost yards.
- Beyond receivers not running the right routes, they're not coming back toward Jimmy to give him a legitimate target when the route either breaks down or the defender's on them like glue. They have to learn to do that.
- Shanahan does need a "big" WR...look at how the Lions used theirs, throwing over our shorter CB's for completions and/or TD's.
- You're right WRT the overall LB play...it wasn't pretty. Warner made some rookie mistakes, but this kid's got plenty of game. Once Foster's in there and hopefully Smith, our LB corps should be much better. The more that group improves, the better it'll be for the secondary.
- Speaking of the secondary, they did a lousy job of coverage. Witherspoon had a really rough time and got benched for it.
- WRT the pass rush, when it counted most in the 4th qtr, they couldn't get close to Stafford.
- Niners don't have the killer instinct yet...up 27-13, they couldn't close the door on the Lions. That needs to change
- Breida can sort of lull you to sleep, then bam, he explodes. Would like to see them integrate him more in the passing game...with his open field prowess, he could make some big plays there, too.
- Buckner has to get recognized this year for the beast he is...I get Donald's arguably the premier inside DT in the league, but Buck's a rising star and should be in the Pro Bowl as a minimum.
- Armstead actually played pretty well...he doesn't get the sacks Buck does, but he's a reason DB does. He just needs to stay healthy, and that tandem can do some great things.
(bolded)
It's a different way to achieve good end of game stats, but I think it's just as effective in terms of how a defense has to play the 49ers run game. If Breida goes for +2, 2, 4, 0, 15. It's enough to make defenses have to honor the 49er run game. Now that Breida put on film that 60 yarder, teams have to keep that in the back of their mind that he has that ability.
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by Giedi:
No new, just focused on the doom and gloom. Nothing wrong with that. Just saying 1-1 is a heck of a lot better than 0-2 (last years record).

agree, but there is nothing wrong about pointing out the multiple flaws of a seriously over rated team,. and in some cases those flaws were there at the end of last year before free agency and the draft

No, their isn't...and I pointed out several in my post.

This isn't pointed at you...wanna say that in advance...but seems many are really salty that the team isn't meeting preseason hype and saying that they were always overhyped.

Lets say thats true (and probably is). Why be salty? Sure as hell wasn't Lynch or Shanahan doing to over hyping.
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Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Originally posted by susweel:
So basically kyle is destroying a perfectly coached up qb. Got it

This might be the worst post I've ever seen from you.

Sometimes going to the next level you have to get worse to get better. If you are a 8 year old motor cross racer and consistently beat other 8 year olds, and *then* you go to the 12 year old category, yes you will get worse, but also you are gong to get better as an 8 year old racing 12 year olds. Jimmy is going to the next stage, and unfortunately, when you go to the next stage you start off at the lowest level of that stage, you just don't jump to the top level of that next stage.
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by Giedi:
No new, just focused on the doom and gloom. Nothing wrong with that. Just saying 1-1 is a heck of a lot better than 0-2 (last years record).

agree, but there is nothing wrong about pointing out the multiple flaws of a seriously over rated team,. and in some cases those flaws were there at the end of last year before free agency and the draft

No, their isn't...and I pointed out several in my post.

This isn't pointed at you...wanna say that in advance...but seems many are really salty that the team isn't meeting preseason hype and saying that they were always overhyped.

Lets say thats true (and probably is). Why be salty? Sure as hell wasn't Lynch or Shanahan doing to over hyping.
Facts. All offseason Shanahan was trying to kill the hype.
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Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by Ensatsu:
It will take Kyle Shanahan like 5 years to get Jimmy G to that Matt Ryan MVP level, and that's only if we luck out on a Julio Jones in the draft.

I don't want to hear these excuses that he's still learning the scheme. We will probably say that next year too unless these receivers step up.

I really hate this reasoning.

1) A reason for a performance isn't an excuse. He needs to play better. Figuring out why he's not is NOT excusing it. Its explaining it in order to better understand whats happening. Winners find out why it isn't working and fix it. Losers throw out the baby with the bathwater.

2) They don't need Julio Jones. Sure, it would be nice, but my expectation isn't the 6th highest scoring offense in NFL history. Its a top 5 offense which is completely achievable once everyone is on the same page.

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