2018 Team Information (Needs)

Originally posted by NCommand:
OK fellas...Hero has been putting together a great list of confirmed visits with draftees. The pool is getting large but here is what I'm surmising from it.

1. It's safe to say we're targeting ER for the first pick; second pick at the latest.
2. Same concept with OL. It looks like a really tall but lean T or C/G for that second pick. Cross-trained.
3. CB is going to be the next pick most likely like Ahkello Witherspoon last year (pick 3-4).
4. LB seems to be the next target, rounds 4-7. But depth only which may be insight into how the Foster situation is viewed and how they feel about Brock Coyle and Elijah Lee and with Malcolm Smith coming back.
5. WR or TE seems next. Kyle is looking at 5 day three WR/TE's 6'3"-6'5" (RZ threat).
6. S is evenly spread out so probably just looking for depth here on a H/W/S guy late like Adrian Colbert last year.
7. I'm surprised we're looking at so many DT/DE's, rounds 1-4. To replace Tank? I'm not sure what to make of that.
8. Might look at a QB on Day 3 to replace Mullens.

#7 - competition for Arik and Blair?

#8 - I'd like a very raw younger, stronger armed, Jimmy Garoppolo, that could run!

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Tsk tsk...link?

Hero Draft Visits

With the list, I personally, broke it down to H/W, specific position, projected round, etc. You won't get a list for that.

Originally posted by Giedi:

#7 - competition for Arik and Blair?

#8 - I'd like a very raw younger, stronger armed, Jimmy Garoppolo, that could run!

Yeah, probably. But if we got an ER to pair with Attaochu and Marsh, safe to say, Big End would be locked down with AA and Thomas. Maybe in prep for releasing/trading AA?

So far, the only QB we visited with is Kyle Lauletta, QB, Richmond (SR)... projected inn the 5th round.

Originally posted by NCommand:
OK fellas...Hero has been putting together a great list of confirmed visits with draftees. The pool is getting large but here is what I'm surmising from it.

1. It's safe to say we're targeting ER for the first pick; second pick at the latest.

Should be every year, every round! Look until you have one...and then keep looking!

2. Same concept with OL. It looks like a really tall but lean T or C/G for that second pick. Cross-trained.

Quite a few really interesting centers who can play guard in the second/third rounds. Wouldn't be at all surprised.

3. CB is going to be the next pick most likely like Ahkello Witherspoon last year (pick 3-4).
4. LB seems to be the next target, rounds 4-7. But depth only which may be insight into how the Foster situation is viewed and how they feel about Brock Coyle and Elijah Lee and with Malcolm Smith coming back.
5. WR or TE seems next. Kyle is looking at 5 day three WR/TE's 6'3"-6'5" (RZ threat).
6. S is evenly spread out so probably just looking for depth here on a H/W/S guy late like Adrian Colbert last year.
7. I'm surprised we're looking at so many DT/DE's, rounds 1-4. To replace Tank? I'm not sure what to make of that.
8. Might look at a QB on Day 3 to replace Mullens.

Could be a lot of misdirection as well. Scouting players is never a bad thing. If they play against a guy down the road, knowing his tendencies, strengths and weaknesses is all good!

The only position that could make a huge difference this coming year is a pass rusher. All other positions are OK and won't be as disastrous as allowing QBs to sit back and pick the defense apart. This is true since the day they signed JG. Such a happy day!

Originally posted by NCommand:
Hero Draft Visits

With the list, I personally, broke it down to H/W, specific position, projected round, etc. You won't get a list for that.

Thanks! You're the best! (is that OK or should I keep talking? )

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Should be every year, every round! Look until you have one...and then keep looking!

Quite a few really interesting centers who can play guard in the second/third rounds. Wouldn't be at all surprised.

Could be a lot of misdirection as well. Scouting players is never a bad thing. If they play against a guy down the road, knowing his tendencies, strengths and weaknesses is all good!

The only position that could make a huge difference this coming year is a pass rusher. All other positions are OK and won't be as disastrous as allowing QBs to sit back and pick the defense apart. This is true since the day they signed JG. Such a happy day!

Right? It actually makes perfect sense even if I'm reading into the draft visits too much. It matches our exact team needs.

ER, OL, CB, LB, TE/WR, S and somewhere in there, DE if he happens to be BPA.

Talk about perfect.

On to my mock draft. LOL

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Thanks! You're the best! (is that OK or should I keep talking?)

No, that works just fine! LOL.

My pleasure!

Slow in here so a question for the group! We have seen in the past that one elite player can raise the level of all around him or in his area. Who is the most likely guy in this draft, likely available at #9, who could elevate the play of the offense or the defense? These are the guys, I've seen most often in the 9-15 range, that would fit the niners needs.

LB Edmunds
SS James
LB Smith
FS Fitzpatrick
CB Jackson
WR Sutton
Other?

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Slow in here so a question for the group! We have seen in the past that one elite player can raise the level of all around him or in his area. Who is the most likely guy in this draft, likely available at #9, who could elevate the play of the offense or the defense? These are the guys, I've seen most often in the 9-15 range, that would fit the niners needs.

LB Edmunds
SS James
LB Smith
FS Fitzpatrick
CB Jackson
WR Sutton
Other?

Wow, I smell a trade back.

LB Edmunds - 19 year old, raw, would play SAM (400-500 snaps). Would have to prove to be the second best ER or coverage LB over Marsh and Attaochu and Foster and M. Smith to see the other 500 snaps and stay on the field.
SS James - Good leader, great upside but skill set and versatility is redundant.
LB Smith - Insurance for Foster and best suited for the WILL. But not a critical need as Brock Coyle proved last year behind a stellar DL.
FS Fitzpatrick - the Solomon Thomas of the secondary. Where does he fit?
CB Jackson - Eric Crocker isn't high on him esp. at 9 for our scheme. 2nd round maybe.
WR Sutton - True ZWR, could be an instant RZ threat while learning from Garcon for a year. But won't be giving you 1,000 snaps.
Landry - similar concept. Probably start out as a 3rd down LEO but has much to learn to grow into an every down LEO.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Slow in here so a question for the group! We have seen in the past that one elite player can raise the level of all around him or in his area. Who is the most likely guy in this draft, likely available at #9, who could elevate the play of the offense or the defense? These are the guys, I've seen most often in the 9-15 range, that would fit the niners needs.

LB Edmunds
SS James
LB Smith
FS Fitzpatrick
CB Jackson
WR Sutton
Other?

Wow, I smell a trade back.

LB Edmunds - 19 year old, raw, would play SAM (400-500 snaps). Would have to prove to be the second best ER or coverage LB over Marsh and Attaochu and Foster and M. Smith to see the other 500 snaps and stay on the field.
SS James - Good leader, great upside but skill set and versatility is redundant.
LB Smith - Insurance for Foster and best suited for the WILL. But not a critical need as Brock Coyle proved last year behind a stellar DL.
FS Fitzpatrick - the Solomon Thomas of the secondary. Where does he fit?
CB Jackson - Eric Crocker isn't high on him esp. at 9 for our scheme. 2nd round maybe.
WR Sutton - True ZWR, could be an instant RZ threat while learning from Garcon for a year. But won't be giving you 1,000 snaps.
Landry - similar concept. Probably start out as a 3rd down LEO but has much to learn to grow into an every down LEO.

For me the only two on this list that raise the play of others are Roquan Smith & Harold Landry.

Smith is an incredible leader with outstanding instincts, he would make it easier on his off ball mate and the Safeties.

Landry has elite burst and bend around the edge, he compliments the rest of our DL and makes their lives easier.

Minkah and Derwin are exceptional players, they both add leadership and play at a high level. However I have very high hopes for Colbert & Tartt playing together and Ward backs them up. I suppose they make people better by competition but I'm not sure that's what you meant.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Slow in here so a question for the group! We have seen in the past that one elite player can raise the level of all around him or in his area. Who is the most likely guy in this draft, likely available at #9, who could elevate the play of the offense or the defense? These are the guys, I've seen most often in the 9-15 range, that would fit the niners needs.

LB Edmunds
SS James
LB Smith
FS Fitzpatrick
CB Jackson
WR Sutton
Other?

Wow, I smell a trade back.

LB Edmunds - 19 year old, raw, would play SAM (400-500 snaps). Would have to prove to be the second best ER or coverage LB over Marsh and Attaochu and Foster and M. Smith to see the other 500 snaps and stay on the field.
SS James - Good leader, great upside but skill set and versatility is redundant.
LB Smith - Insurance for Foster and best suited for the WILL. But not a critical need as Brock Coyle proved last year behind a stellar DL.
FS Fitzpatrick - the Solomon Thomas of the secondary. Where does he fit?
CB Jackson - Eric Crocker isn't high on him esp. at 9 for our scheme. 2nd round maybe.
WR Sutton - True ZWR, could be an instant RZ threat while learning from Garcon for a year. But won't be giving you 1,000 snaps.
Landry - similar concept. Probably start out as a 3rd down LEO but has much to learn to grow into an every down LEO.

For me the only two on this list that raise the play of others are Roquan Smith & Harold Landry.

Smith is an incredible leader with outstanding instincts, he would make it easier on his off ball mate and the Safeties.

Landry has elite burst and bend around the edge, he compliments the rest of our DL and makes their lives easier.

Minkah and Derwin are exceptional players, they both add leadership and play at a high level. However I have very high hopes for Colbert & Tartt playing together and Ward backs them up. I suppose they make people better by competition but I'm not sure that's what you meant.

Yes, I left Landry out but you have my idea. If a DB was so good they would change the game, as Deion Sanders did, then jump on him. But Landry probably represents the greatest need. My favorite is LB Smith because I agree with you about his incredible leadership and athleticism.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Yes, I left Landry out but you have my idea. If a DB was so good they would change the game, as Deion Sanders did, then jump on him. But Landry probably represents the greatest need. My favorite is LB Smith because I agree with you about his incredible leadership and athleticism.

Yeah, Laundry and R.Smith are probably the consensus 1 and 1A if Nelson is gone.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

#7 - competition for Arik and Blair?

#8 - I'd like a very raw younger, stronger armed, Jimmy Garoppolo, that could run!

Yeah, probably. But if we got an ER to pair with Attaochu and Marsh, safe to say, Big End would be locked down with AA and Thomas. Maybe in prep for releasing/trading AA?

So far, the only QB we visited with is Kyle Lauletta, QB, Richmond (SR)... projected inn the 5th round.

AA is an interesting player and situation. I still hope he can produce but his time is running out. I don't see them trading AA unless they have a rookie replacement for him from this year's draft.

As for QB, it's definitely not a need, but Walsh used Bono and Gerbac to get valuable draft captial until he landed Steve Young. I can see Kyle maybe going after a 5th rounder (or later), like you said, stash him on the practice squad and develp him behind BeatHard, and when BeatHard is traded to KC , that QB will be plug and play behind Garoppolo.

Originally posted by Giedi:

AA is an interesting player and situation. I still hope he can produce but his time is running out. I don't see them trading AA unless they have a rookie replacement for him from this year's draft.

As for QB, it's definitely not a need, but Walsh used Bono and Gerbac to get valuable draft captial until he landed Steve Young. I can see Kyle maybe going after a 5th rounder (or later), like you said, stash him on the practice squad and develp him behind BeatHard, and when BeatHard is traded to KC , that QB will be plug and play behind Garoppolo.

AA is interesting to me. We have until May to decide to keep him on his 5th year option.

The deadline to pick up the option year is May 2. The fifth year is guaranteed for injury when the option is exercised.

Solomon Thomas, I would imagine, would play at Big End exclusively this year instead of LEO. Armstead would be quality depth there as would Blair. Shanahan and Saleh both said AA has a future here.

But we'll see. We've been looking at a lot of top DE's rounds 1-4. Trade? Learned from Jimmie Ward's 5th year option? Don't exercise it? Cut?

Add QB Chad Kanoff, Princeton to the list. I could absolutely see us taking another QB for the reasons you mentioned. You want to turn this into a QB factory for the future. And Kyle already has that reputation. And now, teams will be saying, "C.J. BeatHard learned the right way under Kyle Shanahan AND studied under Jimmy Garoppolo too."

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Slow in here so a question for the group! We have seen in the past that one elite player can raise the level of all around him or in his area. Who is the most likely guy in this draft, likely available at #9, who could elevate the play of the offense or the defense? These are the guys, I've seen most often in the 9-15 range, that would fit the niners needs.

LB Edmunds
SS James
LB Smith
FS Fitzpatrick
CB Jackson
WR Sutton
Other?

Biggest difference makers for our team on this list us are Edmunds, James, Fitzpatrick, and Sutton. Sutton might surprise some if he's the pick but I'm not closing the door. A guy that is capable of scoring TDs and scaring the opposition will always be the biggest difference maker.