2018 Coaching Staff

This team has had some good fortune the last couple of years.

DeFo falls to us in the 2016 draft.
We get Lynch and Kyle in 2017.
CHI over values our 2017 draft position and we get Thomas and Foster.
2017 draft picks look very promising
Get JG for pennies
Draft slot gets worse but more QB's declaring which puts us in another great draft position
Seattle and ARI crumbling

Originally posted by evil:
Seifert was not a veteran, stable, proven DC when Bill promoted him. He was a first time DC.

Yeah but Seifert did have DC experience at the college level. I think Kyle kind of reached and had to settle on Saleh last year and he is going to be loyal to him and obviously give him at least another year. I am not a big fan of Saleh but I can understand him being brought back. That being said, I do think we are wasting time as ultimately he will not be our DC when we are a super bowl contender.

Originally posted by Joecool:
This team has had some good fortune the last couple of years.

DeFo falls to us in the 2016 draft.
We get Lynch and Kyle in 2017.
CHI over values our 2017 draft position and we get Thomas and Foster.
2017 draft picks look very promising
Get JG for pennies
Draft slot gets worse but more QB's declaring which puts us in another great draft position
Seattle and ARI crumbling

We just need the luck to continue a bit more, and somehow land an elite pass rusher.

Originally posted by evil:
Cannot find the article now, but in Atlanta Kyle had a lot of the position coaches help with game planning. Everyone had a specific area to prepare for upcoming opponents ie OL coach handled short yardage run plays, WR coach handled passing game between the 20's, Turner handled run game between the 20's, McDaniel handled Red Zone etc.

Probably employs the same set up here.

Eh, sounds way to complicated and that kind of stuff doesn't seem to work. I remember Harbaugh had 2 or 3 guys involved with the play calling and that's when our offense started to get screwed up. Not saying Kyle is letting any of those guys call plays, but I just wish he had one solid OC he could lean on for help him more.

Originally posted by Bluesbro:

Originally posted by Joecool:
This team has had some good fortune the last couple of years.

DeFo falls to us in the 2016 draft.
We get Lynch and Kyle in 2017.
CHI over values our 2017 draft position and we get Thomas and Foster.
2017 draft picks look very promising
Get JG for pennies
Draft slot gets worse but more QB's declaring which puts us in another great draft position
Seattle and ARI crumbling

We just need the luck to continue a bit more, and somehow land an elite pass rusher.

You know, sometimes, the philosophical history of the franchise always rises to the top in terms of the success of the franchise. PIT is always about run game and big play passing with a relentless defense. When they don't have that, they don't have success. DAL is about that beef. SF is all about offensive firepower with surprising underrated defensive talent. For some reason, I think the edge rusher will be a final piece once we get that elite offensive gamebreaker. It's just the 49ers way.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Niners99:

People don't seem to understand the concept of upstaging a head coach. You dont bring in a guy who could potentially be seen as someone the fans will chant for after a couple bad losses at some point. It creates paranoia in the HC. Shanahan doesn't need a successful veteran HC to help him. Same reason why his dad isn't being brought in.

This. I hope Kyle keeps bringing in younger unproven coaches. If this team has success then eventually guys like McDaniel, LaFleur, Halfley and Saleh will be in demand for promotions across the league. Keep the pipeline going ala Belichick, most of his assistants hadn't done anything of note prior to working for him.

+1
Innovators!

Originally posted by NCommand:
Eff that. I want to win and we're in prime position to do that finally.

Give Kyle a veteran, stable, proven, independent DC who's got the same X's and O's ability as Kyle does.

Back when we were Champions, we had top 5 defenses too. Seifert was ahead of his time creating the very defensive foundation we run today.

But to your bigger point, like in the FO, you have to build up that hierarchy so young inventive minds can grow up that internal ladder and move on to add another branch of the Shanahan (BW) legacy!

I hear you, but think about it like this, we bring in a net DC at what cost?

Its in all our best interest to let Kyle grow out to his fullest extent. Don't put him in a box with a likely "big ego" on defense that will effect his growth as a leader. IF we start looking for veteran DCs that don't have big egos, now we are starting our search admitting we are not just looking for the best, we will settle for a vet as long as he sits on his side of the field and does not effect the rest of the team.

Kyle is a second generation coach, his family has contacts all over the NFL. If Saleh does not pan out.... I AM SURE the 49ers can bring in somebody else.

Originally posted by StubbyNBY:

Originally posted by evil:
Cannot find the article now, but in Atlanta Kyle had a lot of the position coaches help with game planning. Everyone had a specific area to prepare for upcoming opponents ie OL coach handled short yardage run plays, WR coach handled passing game between the 20's, Turner handled run game between the 20's, McDaniel handled Red Zone etc.

Probably employs the same set up here.

Eh, sounds way to complicated and that kind of stuff doesn't seem to work. I remember Harbaugh had 2 or 3 guys involved with the play calling and that's when our offense started to get screwed up. Not saying Kyle is letting any of those guys call plays, but I just wish he had one solid OC he could lean on for help him more.

this is prob not significantly more complicated that what every coach does....they listen to position coaches on what is working and not working. Knowing his dad, they prob have scripting for down and distance, and he is delegating some of the game plan construction off to his position coaches. I would bet most coaches do some form of this. ( We know Walsh used input from his position coaches)

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by StubbyNBY:

Originally posted by evil:

Cannot find the article now, but in Atlanta Kyle had a lot of the position coaches help with game planning. Everyone had a specific area to prepare for upcoming opponents ie OL coach handled short yardage run plays, WR coach handled passing game between the 20's, Turner handled run game between the 20's, McDaniel handled Red Zone etc.

Probably employs the same set up here.

Eh, sounds way to complicated and that kind of stuff doesn't seem to work. I remember Harbaugh had 2 or 3 guys involved with the play calling and that's when our offense started to get screwed up. Not saying Kyle is letting any of those guys call plays, but I just wish he had one solid OC he could lean on for help him more.

this is prob not significantly more complicated that what every coach does....they listen to position coaches on what is working and not working. Knowing his dad, they prob have scripting for down and distance, and he is delegating some of the game plan construction off to his position coaches. I would bet most coaches do some form of this. ( We know Walsh used input from his position coaches)

Yeah, if the HC values the input of the position caches, and chooses them with a similar philosophy to his own, why wouldn't you want their input on the best way to utilize the players they are most closely involved with?

Originally posted by StubbyNBY:

Yeah but Seifert did have DC experience at the college level. I think Kyle kind of reached and had to settle on Saleh last year and he is going to be loyal to him and obviously give him at least another year. I am not a big fan of Saleh but I can understand him being brought back. That being said, I do think we are wasting time as ultimately he will not be our DC when we are a super bowl contender.

Seifert had no DC experience in college.

Originally posted by StubbyNBY:

Eh, sounds way to complicated and that kind of stuff doesn't seem to work. I remember Harbaugh had 2 or 3 guys involved with the play calling and that's when our offense started to get screwed up. Not saying Kyle is letting any of those guys call plays, but I just wish he had one solid OC he could lean on for help him more.

Not complicated, everyone has the same task week in and week out. And it worked in Atlanta, look at that offense in year 2.

Originally posted by Joecool:

You know, sometimes, the philosophical history of the franchise always rises to the top in terms of the success of the franchise. PIT is always about run game and big play passing with a relentless defense. When they don't have that, they don't have success. DAL is about that beef. SF is all about offensive firepower with surprising underrated defensive talent. For some reason, I think the edge rusher will be a final piece once we get that elite offensive gamebreaker. It's just the 49ers way.

Good thoughts. It just seems right that the WCO is back in SFO and SF should be known for their passing attack. No matter which assistants get poached, WCO stays with Kyle.

Originally posted by DaBum:

Originally posted by pdizo916:

Originally posted by FL9er:

Originally posted by pdizo916:
I want John Fox.

Why?

The Steelers finished 5th in yards and 7th in points. The defense has improved in every since he replaced Dick.

im confused.

FL9er is the confused one

Pdizo is a Steelers fan.

Originally posted by Joecool:

This team has had some good fortune the last couple of years.

DeFo falls to us in the 2016 draft.
We get Lynch and Kyle in 2017.
CHI over values our 2017 draft position and we get Thomas and Foster.
2017 draft picks look very promising
Get JG for pennies
Draft slot gets worse but more QB's declaring which puts us in another great draft position
Seattle and ARI crumbling

Yes all that finally after years of the most unlucky team ever..

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by Dr_Bill_Walsh:
Mike McCarthy may be outs in GB

Bring him in for Assistant HC (sched to have the Packers on the road next season)

People don't seem to understand the concept of upstaging a head coach. You dont bring in a guy who could potentially be seen as someone the fans will chant for after a couple bad losses at some point. It creates paranoia in the HC. Shanahan doesn't need a successful veteran HC to help him. Same reason why his dad isn't being brought in.

so much this

If Shanny Jr, ever needed an experienced ear to lean on, he has that with a simple informal call.

Yup I agree , and Senior Shanahan's been in a lot of big games. I think Mike and Kyle *and* John Lynch talk a lot more than they let on.

Seifert was a defensive backs coach before he became DC, so I think between Saleh and John Lynch, they got this. Saleh is the X's and O's guy, and Lynch getting the talent on defense. Seifert's elephant 3-4 was always geared to stop elite passing teams in the playoffs. I think Saleh and Lynch make a good team in acquiring defensive talent. Talent matters more than X's and O's on defense.

Originally posted by StubbyNBY:

Yeah but Seifert did have DC experience at the college level. I think Kyle kind of reached and had to settle on Saleh last year and he is going to be loyal to him and obviously give him at least another year. I am not a big fan of Saleh but I can understand him being brought back. That being said, I do think we are wasting time as ultimately he will not be our DC when we are a super bowl contender.

You just dont know that. Until the guy has enough players who fit the scheme properly, its hard to fully evaluate him.