Week 2 2017: Thoughts after rewatching the game... | Page 4

Marvin49 · 2017-09-18T09:03:33-07:00

Word of the year: Patience. 1) Hoyer: Last week I defended him. This week I won't. He is what he is though. I was never expecting him to be great, I only expected him to be serviceable. So far he isn't. Its fair to point out the front 7s he's faced and it fair to point out drops...but Man...its been rough. Is it CJ Beathard time? No. Not by a long shot. Its not about giving Hoyer a shot either. Its about not putting the rookie in and causing irreperable harm to his confidence. Beathard needs to stay on the bench FOR HIM and not for anyone else. Might there come a time when he needs to play? Yes. Its not here yet though. 2) Front 7: I need to use this as a disclaimer because I am about to talk about a few front 7 players and I don't want to give the impression I'm unaware of Seattles situation on the O-Line. I'm very aware so good play in the front 7 has to be tempered by who they were playing against. Seattle is a train wreck on the O-Line and have been for years. It makes me wonder how Wilson would function behind an actually competent line. That said.... 3) DeForest Buckner: He didn't get a sack, but that dude was wreaking havoc. 4 QB hits, 5 Pressures, killing in vs run...man. 7th overall pick last year is showing why he was the 7th pick. 4) Aaron Lynch: Needs. To. Play. More. He is EASILY the best pass rusher on the team and when he's out there he provides what they lacked in week 1. Wasn't just the sack either...he was getting hits on Wilson as well. Jumped off the screen a few times. 5) Solomon Thomas: Flashing at times, invisible at others. Still not plaing like an edge rusher but still very raw. Seems to not be doing much for awhile and then flashes uncanny speed and athleticism for a man his size. Also not playing sound and got abused a few times on the read option. Once crashing down hard and another delaying to watch QB and RB ran right past him. Learning curve still in effect. 6) Arik Armstead: Didn't play like Buckner of course, but did flash some there. His sack was interesting because he was essentially unblocked but kinda had to navigate traffic to get there. Looked promising, but if my choices right now are Lynch or Armstead at Leo, I'm putting Lynch in the game. 7) Reuben Foster: Obviously, Reuben didn't play...but thats kinda my point. I just have to wonder if on any of those Wilson scrambles if Reuben would have been spying him and would have had the speed to chase him down. We'll have to wait till their second meeting to see but every time Wilson got one of those first downs I wondered if Reuben would have prevented it. 8) Safety: Good to see Ward in there again and didn't seem to have much rust. I've always like the guy and if he can be a true center fielder. I'm hoping Reid will be fine as I think this spot really fits him, but if not I'm comfortable with Tartt as well. 9) Marquise Goodwin: Catch. The. Ball. QB finally makes a play and you just flat drop the ball. Ugg. It won't go down on the stat sheet and it isn't something people will point out too much, but I did like seeing the small guy just BLOW UP Wagner on the INT return. To me, that shows he does care...which is something if you look at #21 in Dallas. 10) Week 2 of rebuild: Long way to go. Rough two weeks but the schedule will get a bit easier on the offense these next few weeks. I think the TD drought will end on Thurs and they'll put up at least 2 or 3. Total guess. Rams have a nice front 7 themselves, but not nearly what Niners have seen now in back to back weeks. ...and 11) O-Line: I usually do 10 but I make the rules so screw it. I couldn't leave out the O-Line. That was a monster of a job. Tomlinson played very well considering, Staley had a great game, and Trent Brown....wow. Two games into the season and he's allowed NOTHING in the pass rush. No hurries, no hits, no sacks. Its a great thing to get a premiere tackle in the 7th round. 12) One more: I couldn't leave out Carlos either. Line made some holes for him but he is playing well. He's really the ONLY Skill Player doing something right now. Through 2 games he's averaging 7 yards per carry.

Sep 18, 2017 at 12:41 PM

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Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 951NINER:
Kittle is not outrunning anyone. Hoyer has been terrible throwing the ball past 10 yards so I was hoping to get more from the TE's and or FB.

Kittle is fast for a 250lb TE (4.52)...he's not VD fast but no one is. Hoyer blows plain and simple

Hoyer had time in the pocket more than a few times. No one gets open.

Sep 18, 2017 at 12:42 PM

#47

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Originally posted by 951NINER:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 951NINER:
Kittle is not outrunning anyone. Hoyer has been terrible throwing the ball past 10 yards so I was hoping to get more from the TE's and or FB.

Kittle is fast for a 250lb TE (4.52)...he's not VD fast but no one is. Hoyer blows plain and simple

Hoyer had time in the pocket more than a few times. No one gets open.

as painful it was to watch a sack. that is 100 times better than throwing more INTs to covered receivers

Sep 18, 2017 at 12:45 PM

#48

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Originally posted by mayo49:
Agree on Brown - steal of the draft, every else is spot on.

x2

Also, he might be Staley's replacement in a year or 2.

Sep 18, 2017 at 12:45 PM

#49

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Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by SoCold:
Defense gave up 21 first downs. They didn't play as good as the score sounds.

A lot of people on WZ are infatuated with the idea that yards/first downs trump points given up when analyzing a defense.

We gave up 12 points. That is all that really matters.

...and you are going to give up lots of first downs when you are on the field for 80 plays because the offense does NOTHING.
i don't think they care at all about the game, but mostly like to rub it peoples faces

Can you elaborate? Who is they? I am missing your point, sorry.

Sep 18, 2017 at 12:45 PM

#50

dj43
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For the past 5 months we talked about patience. Now, in only two weeks, all talk of patience is gone.

Welcome to the FAN forum.

Sep 18, 2017 at 12:46 PM

#51

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Originally posted by TonyStarks:
Arik was beastin but we should've put TWO edge qb spies on Russell .

Maybe Kyle didn't think Seattle would risk their highly touted qb like that by letting him run himself so much. Which I can understand.

Someone who actually watched the game.

Sep 18, 2017 at 12:46 PM

#52

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I think, Seahawks defense was chill out and Wilson is soft game for us? I think, the Seahawks is bored game for us.

Sep 18, 2017 at 12:46 PM

#53

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Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Kyle to Tomlinson: "Welcome...um, Laken, right? Now, I know you've only been here 12 days but you'll be starting at LG up in Seattle in the rain. Ohhhh, almost forgot... you'll be facing Sheldon Richardson...a lot. Good luck."

Hehe. And I say to Laken...

Well done.

Absolutely!!

Sep 18, 2017 at 12:48 PM

#54

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Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by susweel:
watched the s**t fest on dvr last night cuz no way is this team worth 3+ plus hours. my stuff

Shanny seems like he is in over is head, seems flustered on the sideline dosen't show leadership or confidence.

Hoyer is absolutely trash, even worse than I thought, He makes me miss kap and even gabbert.

Goodwin is a pos, needs to be benched asap. Training camp champ we seen these before.

Hyde just like any other RB can run if oline opens holes for him, but he is dancing less this year which is good.

Run D is was better this year but wears down at end of games because O can't keep the ball. Same was true under chip.

Secondary blows seattle had people open all game, either willow missed them or they dropped balls. Should have at least 3 Ints yesterday.

Overall team is even worse than I had thought we would be and predicted an 0-16 record.
Kyle is over his head? Dude, !! How can you make such a determination after only 2 games of a rebuild!? The man is a first-time coach who had to take over, and turn over, a most despicable roster that lacked talent in the obvious way left behind by supposedly more experienced men. 0-16? Really? I think you're talking about a different team.

Hey, 9ers for Life.

Don't pay any attention to sus.

All he does is try to piss people off and not offer anything worthwhile.

If he is totally ignored - he will fade away. [Hopefully]

Sep 18, 2017 at 12:49 PM

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Intriguing thought. If Reuben Foster plays this game, I think we have a real shot at winning it yesterday.

Sep 18, 2017 at 12:51 PM

#56

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Overall, for a 6th exhibition game, it was good to see our 1s go up against Seattle's 1s.

Sep 18, 2017 at 12:51 PM

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Originally posted by 951NINER:
Hoyer had time in the pocket more than a few times. No one gets open.

This has been our #1 problem for many many years now....

Sep 18, 2017 at 12:54 PM

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49ers defense gave up a 3.9 yards per play average. A few dropped passes by SEA but that 3.9 average is amazing over a 79 play sample.

edit: just remembered SEA had three kneel downs at the end so that average is probably 4.0 or something. Still excellent.

[ Edited by thl408 on Sep 18, 2017 at 12:57 PM ]

Sep 18, 2017 at 12:58 PM

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Originally posted by thl408:
49ers defense gave up a 3.9 yards per play average. A few dropped passes by SEA but that 3.9 average is amazing over a 79 play sample.

edit: just remembered SEA had three kneel downs at the end so that average is probably 4.0 or something. Still excellent.

4.2 for the season is tied for 4th best yards per play in the NFL....and thats even with the D wearing down at the end of games.

Sep 18, 2017 at 12:59 PM

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Originally posted by thl408:
Very encouraged by the defensive performance. SEA's offense may not be good, but considering how poorly the 49ers have looked defensively the past couple seasons, it's easy to say that the defense is on the right track. ALynch needs to be in the lineup for good. No need for XCooper to be suiting up when there's positional flexibility from some of the other DL. Glad Ward was able to finish the game. I don't think Wilson tested the 49ers secondary deep so that's a good sign that Ward was in position.

Offensively it was frustrating not to see more short range passes designed to isolate the RB/TE. Maybe SEA was squatting all the short stuff. Considering how well the offense was running the ball, I would have thought the passing game (playaction) would have some semblance of success. Three red zone appearances, three field goals - that's ballgame.

From what I have seen so far in the parts that I have re-watched, it looked like Seattle was looking to shut down that area. Of course, having Bobby Wagner patrolling that region helps a lot as well.

I am not as discouraged as some by the offense. Defense is and has always been Seattle's strength. They make a lot of good teams look bad up there. It wasn't satisfactory but it wasn't a total failure either.