49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

It's really just meh.... not anything I'm impressed with, just more of a case of the only direction being up after the previous regime. More non contact injuries, more lack of discipline.... I like Mike.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by susweel:
All them injuries just validates that kyle runs a powder puff training camp with not much hitting and bunch of dudes dancing around to music. I expected that was going happen.

Gotta have more head on collisions to build that concussion tolerance, amirite?

Originally posted by Giedi:

Make no mistake: Shanahan isn't a softie.
The yoga-practicing Shanahan, 38, is the NFL's second-youngest head coach, and unofficially the only one in league history who has named his son after a rapper.
[…]
Take a recent three-day stretch, for example. On Wednesday, Shanahan sounded downright Lombardiesque when he said he was "surprised" Joshua Garnett hadn't returned to practice, a clear signal he viewed the right guard's knee injury as relatively minor. On Thursday, defensive coordinator Robert Saleh termed Shanahan "vicious" in breaking down game video, and noted he demands the same attention to detail from coaches and players. Finally, Shanahan called the team together Friday near the start of a sloppy practice to deliver a terse get-it-together message.
However, Shanahan didn't rant. And tight end Garrett Celek, 30, said players appreciate that his straightforward messages don't come with screaming.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/49ers/article/Kyle-Shanahan-s-style-wins-over-49ers-players-13132419.php

Heh, maybe Saleh's on the hot seat? I hope so. We needed Landry or Obo, and got neither.

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Are you still going on about this? How hard is it to understand that Saleh doesn't draft players? You hoping he's on the hot seat because the team didn't draft the players you wanted is f**king ridiculous.

I understand that you felt edge rush was a weakness, but maybe wait until after some regular season games to complain. If the doctor wants to test you for cancer, do you buy a coffin? Try waiting for the results first.

You are also completely misunderstanding the quote. He's saying that Kyle viciously attacks film and expects the same from everyone.

Originally posted by Follower:

It's really just meh.... not anything I'm impressed with, just more of a case of the only direction being up after the previous regime. More non contact injuries, more lack of discipline.... I like Mike.

Grant Cohn is mad

Originally posted by Wodwo:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Make no mistake: Shanahan isn't a softie.
The yoga-practicing Shanahan, 38, is the NFL's second-youngest head coach, and unofficially the only one in league history who has named his son after a rapper.
[…]
Take a recent three-day stretch, for example. On Wednesday, Shanahan sounded downright Lombardiesque when he said he was "surprised" Joshua Garnett hadn't returned to practice, a clear signal he viewed the right guard's knee injury as relatively minor. On Thursday, defensive coordinator Robert Saleh termed Shanahan "vicious" in breaking down game video, and noted he demands the same attention to detail from coaches and players. Finally, Shanahan called the team together Friday near the start of a sloppy practice to deliver a terse get-it-together message.
However, Shanahan didn't rant. And tight end Garrett Celek, 30, said players appreciate that his straightforward messages don't come with screaming.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/49ers/article/Kyle-Shanahan-s-style-wins-over-49ers-players-13132419.php

Heh, maybe Saleh's on the hot seat? I hope so. We needed Landry or Obo, and got neither.

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Are you still going on about this? How hard is it to understand that Saleh doesn't draft players? You hoping he's on the hot seat because the team didn't draft the players you wanted is f**king ridiculous.

I understand that you felt edge rush was a weakness, but maybe wait until after some regular season games to complain. If the doctor wants to test you for cancer, do you buy a coffin? Try waiting for the results first.

You are also completely misunderstanding the quote. He's saying that Kyle viciously attacks film and expects the same from everyone.

Yeah, I'm still going to go on about this until they get a pass rush. Fact: 2017 they needed a QB - they got Hoyer and drafted BeatHard. Fact: 2018 they needed an edge rusher, they got Attaochu and drafted??? Yep - nada. Nobody in the 5th, 6th, or 7th rounder as a pass rusher. The only guys that have a 6 year contract, if I recall correctly is ShanaLynch. *nobody* else has a 6 year contract.

Yeah, he'll be on the hotseat if the starters keep doing this.

You mentioned the lack of communication on the stunt on third-and-10. What exactly was the--?

"We came out initially with a call and based on the formation and the front, [DL DeForest Buckner] Buck has the authority to change it. The change got made, but it didn't get all the way across the defensive line. Not all four got it. One missed it. We were trying to work a stunt and as that steps up, we should have had an end wrapping. The wrap never came. So, what ended up happening was a parting of the Red Sea and a guy like that is just going to run."

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Wodwo:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Make no mistake: Shanahan isn't a softie.
The yoga-practicing Shanahan, 38, is the NFL's second-youngest head coach, and unofficially the only one in league history who has named his son after a rapper.
[…]
Take a recent three-day stretch, for example. On Wednesday, Shanahan sounded downright Lombardiesque when he said he was "surprised" Joshua Garnett hadn't returned to practice, a clear signal he viewed the right guard's knee injury as relatively minor. On Thursday, defensive coordinator Robert Saleh termed Shanahan "vicious" in breaking down game video, and noted he demands the same attention to detail from coaches and players. Finally, Shanahan called the team together Friday near the start of a sloppy practice to deliver a terse get-it-together message.
However, Shanahan didn't rant. And tight end Garrett Celek, 30, said players appreciate that his straightforward messages don't come with screaming.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/49ers/article/Kyle-Shanahan-s-style-wins-over-49ers-players-13132419.php

Heh, maybe Saleh's on the hot seat? I hope so. We needed Landry or Obo, and got neither.

.

Are you still going on about this? How hard is it to understand that Saleh doesn't draft players? You hoping he's on the hot seat because the team didn't draft the players you wanted is f**king ridiculous.

I understand that you felt edge rush was a weakness, but maybe wait until after some regular season games to complain. If the doctor wants to test you for cancer, do you buy a coffin? Try waiting for the results first.

You are also completely misunderstanding the quote. He's saying that Kyle viciously attacks film and expects the same from everyone.

Yeah, I'm still going to go on about this until they get a pass rush. Fact: 2017 they needed a QB - they got Hoyer and drafted BeatHard. Fact: 2018 they needed an edge rusher, they got Attaochu and drafted??? Yep - nada. Nobody in the 5th, 6th, or 7th rounder as a pass rusher. The only guys that have a 6 year contract, if I recall correctly is ShanaLynch. *nobody* else has a 6 year contract.

Yeah, he'll be on the hotseat if the starters keep doing this.

You mentioned the lack of communication on the stunt on third-and-10. What exactly was the--?

"We came out initially with a call and based on the formation and the front, [DL DeForest Buckner] Buck has the authority to change it. The change got made, but it didn't get all the way across the defensive line. Not all four got it. One missed it. We were trying to work a stunt and as that steps up, we should have had an end wrapping. The wrap never came. So, what ended up happening was a parting of the Red Sea and a guy like that is just going to run."

Cut Buckner for lack of communication skills? You left out a step...needed a QB so picked up Hoyer, drafted Beathard...then traded for Garapolo. Now if a true edge demon becomes available...

They did not throw their draft board out the window in order to grab a shot at edge rusher. I accept this decision as it looks like they picked up some really good players at various positions.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Surprised i didn't see this already, but no one mentioned right after the TD, kyle talked with Ref a moment then thru the flag. Couldn't figure that out until maybe it was Ted Robinson said, with the penalty of 5 yards, we had gone from going for point after to going for 2 pt conversion. Then just before the play , kyle throws a flag. And he was hot. Why?

Well it seemed when they planned on going for the pt after, then the offsides penalty and now we were moved in closer, Kyle decides to go for 2 and we line up. Flag comes out.....because the ball in play was for the pt after and is a different ball from the ball used in the rest of the game. And then he got hacked off because he got charged for a T.O....when in fact, he was just doing the refs job for them. Besides being brilliant play designer, and play caller, he also doeesn't miss a lick. And the refs clearly had the wrong ball on the field for a 2 pt conversion. Only kyle in the entire stadium thot of that. Heck I didn't even know they used a slightly different shaped ball for points after. Later the refs had to go over to Dallas 's bench and explain that.

He literally doesn't miss a thing. He is as complete a coach as there is today. Man did we ever get lucky.

Great post Doc. I never had a question about his ability with X and O stuff, so that was never a worry. My concern was could a younger coach lead a group of alpha males and other seasoned coaches, all of whom are just around his age. He answered all those questions for me when he was able to keep the team together and playing hard after that awful start last year. An added bonus is how great he is in interviews, and how he represents the organization.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Cut Buckner for lack of communication skills? You left out a step...needed a QB so picked up Hoyer, drafted Beathard...then traded for Garapolo. Now if a true edge demon becomes available...

They did not throw their draft board out the window in order to grab a shot at edge rusher. I accept this decision as it looks like they picked up some really good players at various positions.

The trade for Garoppolo was more Bellicheat than ShanaLynch. So I left that out. Having said that, I've loved most of the 2018 draft except for Kentavius. Now, don't get me wrong, he's a 49er so I'll support Kentavius. What I don't like is that there was edge rushers out there that could be had for the Kentavius pick. (again, even if the edge rusher picked at Kentavius' spot *didn't make the team,* it would still equal the result of Kentavius being IR'ed for a whole year plus). Buckner wasn't at fault, I think he was playing at the NT position and he communicated it to the Big end and also to the 3-tech, but I don't think the 3-tech (would that be Solomon?) communicated it to Dakota (or whoever was playing LEO at the time).

Originally posted by Giedi:
The trade for Garoppolo was more Bellicheat than ShanaLynch. So I left that out. Having said that, I've loved most of the 2018 draft except for Kentavius. Now, don't get me wrong, he's a 49er so I'll support Kentavius. What I don't like is that there was edge rushers out there that could be had for the Kentavius pick. (again, even if the edge rusher picked at Kentavius' spot *didn't make the team,* it would still equal the result of Kentavius being IR'ed for a whole year plus). Buckner wasn't at fault, I think he was playing at the NT position and he communicated it to the Big end and also to the 3-tech, but I don't think the 3-tech (would that be Solomon?) communicated it to Dakota (or whoever was playing LEO at the time).

Just giving you a hard time! I don't mind the Kentavius pick as they also picked up really good prospects at--CB, S, WR, OL, LB, and DT. Only three offensive picks out of nine. Two explosive WRs who are also excellent return specialists, a top OT, a nice fit at LB...

I was sad that they didn't pick up a true edge guy but the way the draft broke it just didn't happen. Oh well, they aren't likely to be in the SB this year and edge rushers usually come in ready, for the most part.

What great edge guy was there when they picked Kentavius? Not one they liked or they would have made the pick.

Originally posted by Giedi:
Buckner wasn't at fault, I think he was playing at the NT position and he communicated it to the Big end and also to the 3-tech, but I don't think the 3-tech (would that be Solomon?) communicated it to Dakota (or whoever was playing LEO at the time).

They were in nickel in their wide splits with double 3/4s.

It happens. No biggie. Address it now and move forward without repeating the error.

Originally posted by Giedi:
The trade for Garoppolo was more Bellicheat than ShanaLynch.

I disagree. His respect for those two, as well as being in the NFC, is what got the deal done. You can be sure if it was any of the previous coaching carousel here it would not have happened. Saying they were 'lucky' to get him discounts their reputation and relationships in the league. More often than not, you make your own luck.

Originally posted by Bluesbro:

Originally posted by Giedi:

The trade for Garoppolo was more Bellicheat than ShanaLynch.

I disagree. His respect for those two, as well as being in the NFC, is what got the deal done. You can be sure if it was any of the previous coaching carousel here it would not have happened. Saying they were 'lucky' to get him discounts their reputation and relationships in the league. More often than not, you make your own luck.

I think it starts with Mike Shanahan. I chanced upon this vid.

The Herd

Mike is friend with BB. Kyle then showed his metal in the SB against BB. Even going up to BB in the combine to talk about the SB loss, would be what BB would have done, since he was doing the same thing with Mike Shanahan every time he lose to Mike. Lots of professional respect from BB towards the Shanahan.

When time to trade Jimmy, I think BB had Kyle at the top of the list if not the only name. To BB, Jimmy's best chance to succeed is with Kyle coaching him

Originally posted by Bluesbro:

Originally posted by Giedi:
The trade for Garoppolo was more Bellicheat than ShanaLynch.

I disagree. His respect for those two, as well as being in the NFC, is what got the deal done. You can be sure if it was any of the previous coaching carousel here it would not have happened. Saying they were 'lucky' to get him discounts their reputation and relationships in the league. More often than not, you make your own luck.

I know that's why I put all the emoticons after that statement.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Originally posted by Bluesbro:

Originally posted by Giedi:
The trade for Garoppolo was more Bellicheat than ShanaLynch.

I disagree. His respect for those two, as well as being in the NFC, is what got the deal done. You can be sure if it was any of the previous coaching carousel here it would not have happened. Saying they were 'lucky' to get him discounts their reputation and relationships in the league. More often than not, you make your own luck.

I think it starts with Mike Shanahan. I chanced upon this vid.

The Herd

Mike is friend with BB. Kyle then showed his metal in the SB against BB. Even going up to BB in the combine to talk about the SB loss, would be what BB would have done, since he was doing the same thing with Mike Shanahan every time he lose to Mike. Lots of professional respect from BB towards the Shanahan.

When time to trade Jimmy, I think BB had Kyle at the top of the list if not the only name. To BB, Jimmy's best chance to succeed is with Kyle coaching him

Just my opinion, but I think there was a chance (not a big chance) but a chance we could have gotten tom brady if they would have kept Garoppolo. I think (again just gut feeling since there's very little info on this) that Kraft is the one that decided to keep Tom and trade Jimmy. I think Bellicheat was in meetings with Kraft and really wanted to keep Jimmy and trade Brady - I think that's why a meeting of an hour or two, blossomed into an all day deal. (at least that what one article characterized their meeting to be).

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Originally posted by Bluesbro:

Originally posted by Giedi:

The trade for Garoppolo was more Bellicheat than ShanaLynch.

I disagree. His respect for those two, as well as being in the NFC, is what got the deal done. You can be sure if it was any of the previous coaching carousel here it would not have happened. Saying they were 'lucky' to get him discounts their reputation and relationships in the league. More often than not, you make your own luck.

I think it starts with Mike Shanahan. I chanced upon this vid.

The Herd

Mike is friend with BB. Kyle then showed his metal in the SB against BB. Even going up to BB in the combine to talk about the SB loss, would be what BB would have done, since he was doing the same thing with Mike Shanahan every time he lose to Mike. Lots of professional respect from BB towards the Shanahan.

When time to trade Jimmy, I think BB had Kyle at the top of the list if not the only name. To BB, Jimmy's best chance to succeed is with Kyle coaching him

I agree qnn, and would add just one other point. JimmyG was BBs fair haired boy, picked and raised and hand taught by Bellichek. No doubt in my mind he wanted to keep Jimmy and airmail Brady, but Kraft wanted no part of that. So when it came time to trade him or have him become a FA, he called the one best place he thot jimmy could go. 49ers. Kyle had already impressed BB by asking him for his advice in the SB loss. BB respected that....and then, as you mentioned there was the Mike connection. But BB didn't want the guy he had hand raised going to CLEVE or some dump like that. There are at least 20 crappy HCs in NFL and he didn't want jimmy wasted there either. So, thanks to the JL /Kyle axis, we got him. It wasn't as some have said blind luck. It was by intent. Bill Bellichek's intent. He didn't want to see his 3 yr project go to waste.