49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by mojave45:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by mojave45:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by mojave45:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by mojave45:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by mojave45:
I will take a "finesse" approach and all those Lombardi trophies over a caveman approach with none.

We had some big skilled players on offense during the SB runs. Now, Garcon is our only one.

We haven't finished turning this team around yet either. Anyone thinking this is our year to make a run has blinders on. This was never a two year turn around.

We signed Jet to a big contract. RB is set. We will keep Goodwin, WR2 is set. Can only get bigger at WR1...not much room to get bigger.

I was talking skills. I don't think we are anywhere near where we will be overall next year at this time. When other turn arounds have happened coaches had either skilled players that were poorly coached, or at least some players that fit better under the system they were installing. Here we had neither.When Shanahan took over we didn't have a QB worthy of the title , no ER, our overall oline was playing like dog s**t, our RB couldn't catch a pass, we had what appeared to be one WR,and our entire defense blew chunks. To turn over 40 players in a year is amazing. To get them all on the same page while doing that is a herculean task. Too many people here bought into their own hype. I think we end up doing better by mid season, and that when we take the field next year we have a real look at what the vision is by our FO. But it won't be caveman football, even if it is going to be physical. That's what "finesse" meant when discussing the team play under Walsh. Smart, intelligently designed play calling, not just pounding the rock in a cloud of dust.

Teams do it all the time now.

Run a 60's offense? Sure, all the successful ones do.

Having a strong running game isn't the same as just trying to impose your will through sheer physicality with limited acumen at play calling and scheming. When another teams defense is calling plays out in advance, that's caveman football.

I'm talking about having quick success on high turnover in personnel.

No one, repeat no one I know in the modern era had to do a turn over like this, or ever turned over close to 40 players in a year and was successful at it. Name one.

the great Matthew McConaughey.

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by mojave45:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by mojave45:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by mojave45:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by mojave45:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by mojave45:

I will take a "finesse" approach and all those Lombardi trophies over a caveman approach with none.

We had some big skilled players on offense during the SB runs. Now, Garcon is our only one.

We haven't finished turning this team around yet either. Anyone thinking this is our year to make a run has blinders on. This was never a two year turn around.

We signed Jet to a big contract. RB is set. We will keep Goodwin, WR2 is set. Can only get bigger at WR1...not much room to get bigger.

I was talking skills. I don't think we are anywhere near where we will be overall next year at this time. When other turn arounds have happened coaches had either skilled players that were poorly coached, or at least some players that fit better under the system they were installing. Here we had neither.When Shanahan took over we didn't have a QB worthy of the title , no ER, our overall oline was playing like dog s**t, our RB couldn't catch a pass, we had what appeared to be one WR,and our entire defense blew chunks. To turn over 40 players in a year is amazing. To get them all on the same page while doing that is a herculean task. Too many people here bought into their own hype. I think we end up doing better by mid season, and that when we take the field next year we have a real look at what the vision is by our FO. But it won't be caveman football, even if it is going to be physical. That's what "finesse" meant when discussing the team play under Walsh. Smart, intelligently designed play calling, not just pounding the rock in a cloud of dust.

Teams do it all the time now.

Run a 60's offense? Sure, all the successful ones do.

Having a strong running game isn't the same as just trying to impose your will through sheer physicality with limited acumen at play calling and scheming. When another teams defense is calling plays out in advance, that's caveman football.

I'm talking about having quick success on high turnover in personnel.

No one, repeat no one I know in the modern era had to do a turn over like this, or ever turned over close to 40 players in a year and was successful at it. Name one.

the great Matthew McConaughey.

Exactly. Other than a fictional character this hasn't been done successfully in year. I don't care how hard someone tries to pretend it was done and was successful the year after.

Originally posted by mojave45:
I was talking skills. I don't think we are anywhere near where we will be overall next year at this time. When other turn arounds have happened coaches had either skilled players that were poorly coached, or at least some players that fit better under the system they were installing. Here we had neither.When Shanahan took over we didn't have a QB worthy of the title , no ER, our overall oline was playing like dog s**t, our RB couldn't catch a pass, we had what appeared to be one WR,and our entire defense blew chunks. To turn over 40 players in a year is amazing. To get them all on the same page while doing that is a herculean task. Too many people here bought into their own hype. I think we end up doing better by mid season, and that when we take the field next year we have a real look at what the vision is by our FO. But it won't be caveman football, even if it is going to be physical. That's what "finesse" meant when discussing the team play under Walsh. Smart, intelligently designed play calling, not just pounding the rock in a cloud of dust.

Excellent post, high desert bruh.

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

You run the ball if you got a bad QB, but in today's NFL elite QB >>>>>> elite RB. You would be nuts to focus more on the run game than your passing game if you have an solid/elite QB. The only teams that still plays 60s football are those without a good QB.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/passing-play-pct

Today you have one team that was 50/50 pass vs run. And that team had Bortles as its QB. And only 4 teams that passed less than 54% of the time

Compare that to 2003 where 6 teams passed less than 50% of the time, and 12 teams passed less than 54% of the time. And I'm sure the numbers are even higher in the 90s.

It's a passing league now and you better get a QB that can throw the football at least decently. If you're still still playing 60s football, you might last a year or two as a NFL coach before getting fired. You can't bludgeon anymore in today's NFL lol.

That's not true...Jim Harbaugh lasted 4 years.

Originally posted by WestCoastForever:

Originally posted by mojave45:

I was talking skills. I don't think we are anywhere near where we will be overall next year at this time. When other turn arounds have happened coaches had either skilled players that were poorly coached, or at least some players that fit better under the system they were installing. Here we had neither.When Shanahan took over we didn't have a QB worthy of the title , no ER, our overall oline was playing like dog s**t, our RB couldn't catch a pass, we had what appeared to be one WR,and our entire defense blew chunks. To turn over 40 players in a year is amazing. To get them all on the same page while doing that is a herculean task. Too many people here bought into their own hype. I think we end up doing better by mid season, and that when we take the field next year we have a real look at what the vision is by our FO. But it won't be caveman football, even if it is going to be physical. That's what "finesse" meant when discussing the team play under Walsh. Smart, intelligently designed play calling, not just pounding the rock in a cloud of dust.

Excellent post, high desert bruh.

Thanks.

It's been a long time since the high desert. Way up in NE WA now, on the border of the Idaho pan handle and not far from Canada.

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

You run the ball if you got a bad QB, but in today's NFL elite QB >>>>>> elite RB. You would be nuts to focus more on the run game than your passing game if you have an solid/elite QB. The only teams that still plays 60s football are those without a good QB.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/passing-play-pct

Today you have one team that was 50/50 pass vs run. And that team had Bortles as its QB. And only 4 teams that passed less than 54% of the time

Compare that to 2003 where 6 teams passed less than 50% of the time, and 12 teams passed less than 54% of the time. And I'm sure the numbers are even higher in the 90s.

It's a passing league now and you better get a QB that can throw the football at least decently. If you're still still playing 60s football, you might last a year or two as a NFL coach before getting fired. You can't bludgeon anymore in today's NFL lol.

I agree with that n terms of modern offenses . But, I anticipate that eventually the pass/run balance will be more even with Shanahan then one might expect.

Surprised i didn't see this already, but no one mentioned right after the TD, kyle talked with Ref a moment then thru the flag. Couldn't figure that out until maybe it was Ted Robinson said, with the penalty of 5 yards, we had gone from going for point after to going for 2 pt conversion. Then just before the play , kyle throws a flag. And he was hot. Why?

Well it seemed when they planned on going for the pt after, then the offsides penalty and now we were moved in closer, Kyle decides to go for 2 and we line up. Flag comes out.....because the ball in play was for the pt after and is a different ball from the ball used in the rest of the game. And then he got hacked off because he got charged for a T.O....when in fact, he was just doing the refs job for them. Besides being brilliant play designer, and play caller, he also doeesn't miss a lick. And the refs clearly had the wrong ball on the field for a 2 pt conversion. Only kyle in the entire stadium thot of that. Heck I didn't even know they used a slightly different shaped ball for points after. Later the refs had to go over to Dallas 's bench and explain that.

He literally doesn't miss a thing. He is as complete a coach as there is today. Man did we ever get lucky.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Surprised i didn't see this already, but no one mentioned right after the TD, kyle talked with Ref a moment then thru the flag. Couldn't figure that out until maybe it was Ted Robinson said, with the penalty of 5 yards, we had gone from going for point after to going for 2 pt conversion. Then just before the play , kyle throws a flag. And he was hot. Why?

Well it seemed when they planned on going for the pt after, then the offsides penalty and now we were moved in closer, Kyle decides to go for 2 and we line up. Flag comes out.....because the ball in play was for the pt after and is a different ball from the ball used in the rest of the game. And then he got hacked off because he got charged for a T.O....when in fact, he was just doing the refs job for them. Besides being brilliant play designer, and play caller, he also doeesn't miss a lick. And the refs clearly had the wrong ball on the field for a 2 pt conversion. Only kyle in the entire stadium thot of that. Heck I didn't even know they used a slightly different shaped ball for points after. Later the refs had to go over to Dallas 's bench and explain that.

He literally doesn't miss a thing. He is as complete a coach as there is today. Man did we ever get lucky.

Originally posted by NCommand:

That's not true...Jim Harbaugh lasted 4 years.

Top 5 D and fgs can still win ya games.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:

That's not true...Jim Harbaugh lasted 4 years.

Top 5 D and fgs can still win ya games.

I think we were negative two in the turnover ratio against Dallas. That Stat alone, if I recall it correctly, should have lost us the game.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

You run the ball if you got a bad QB, but in today's NFL elite QB >>>>>> elite RB. You would be nuts to focus more on the run game than your passing game if you have an solid/elite QB. The only teams that still plays 60s football are those without a good QB.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/passing-play-pct

Today you have one team that was 50/50 pass vs run. And that team had Bortles as its QB. And only 4 teams that passed less than 54% of the time

Compare that to 2003 where 6 teams passed less than 50% of the time, and 12 teams passed less than 54% of the time. And I'm sure the numbers are even higher in the 90s.

It's a passing league now and you better get a QB that can throw the football at least decently. If you're still still playing 60s football, you might last a year or two as a NFL coach before getting fired. You can't bludgeon anymore in today's NFL lol.

That's not true...Jim Harbaugh lasted 4 years.

Originally posted by mojave45:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Surprised i didn't see this already, but no one mentioned right after the TD, kyle talked with Ref a moment then thru the flag. Couldn't figure that out until maybe it was Ted Robinson said, with the penalty of 5 yards, we had gone from going for point after to going for 2 pt conversion. Then just before the play , kyle throws a flag. And he was hot. Why?

Well it seemed when they planned on going for the pt after, then the offsides penalty and now we were moved in closer, Kyle decides to go for 2 and we line up. Flag comes out.....because the ball in play was for the pt after and is a different ball from the ball used in the rest of the game. And then he got hacked off because he got charged for a T.O....when in fact, he was just doing the refs job for them. Besides being brilliant play designer, and play caller, he also doeesn't miss a lick. And the refs clearly had the wrong ball on the field for a 2 pt conversion. Only kyle in the entire stadium thot of that. Heck I didn't even know they used a slightly different shaped ball for points after. Later the refs had to go over to Dallas 's bench and explain that.

He literally doesn't miss a thing. He is as complete a coach as there is today. Man did we ever get lucky.

Love that he is on top of everything during the game & emotions are totally in check too! So happy this guy is our head coach

Make no mistake: Shanahan isn't a softie.
The yoga-practicing Shanahan, 38, is the NFL's second-youngest head coach, and unofficially the only one in league history who has named his son after a rapper.
[…]
Take a recent three-day stretch, for example. On Wednesday, Shanahan sounded downright Lombardiesque when he said he was "surprised" Joshua Garnett hadn't returned to practice, a clear signal he viewed the right guard's knee injury as relatively minor. On Thursday, defensive coordinator Robert Saleh termed Shanahan "vicious" in breaking down game video, and noted he demands the same attention to detail from coaches and players. Finally, Shanahan called the team together Friday near the start of a sloppy practice to deliver a terse get-it-together message.
However, Shanahan didn't rant. And tight end Garrett Celek, 30, said players appreciate that his straightforward messages don't come with screaming.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/49ers/article/Kyle-Shanahan-s-style-wins-over-49ers-players-13132419.php

Heh, maybe Saleh's on the hot seat? I hope so. We needed Landry or Obo, and got neither.

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Originally posted by tohara3:

Originally posted by mojave45:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Surprised i didn't see this already, but no one mentioned right after the TD, kyle talked with Ref a moment then thru the flag. Couldn't figure that out until maybe it was Ted Robinson said, with the penalty of 5 yards, we had gone from going for point after to going for 2 pt conversion. Then just before the play , kyle throws a flag. And he was hot. Why?

Well it seemed when they planned on going for the pt after, then the offsides penalty and now we were moved in closer, Kyle decides to go for 2 and we line up. Flag comes out.....because the ball in play was for the pt after and is a different ball from the ball used in the rest of the game. And then he got hacked off because he got charged for a T.O....when in fact, he was just doing the refs job for them. Besides being brilliant play designer, and play caller, he also doeesn't miss a lick. And the refs clearly had the wrong ball on the field for a 2 pt conversion. Only kyle in the entire stadium thot of that. Heck I didn't even know they used a slightly different shaped ball for points after. Later the refs had to go over to Dallas 's bench and explain that.

He literally doesn't miss a thing. He is as complete a coach as there is today. Man did we ever get lucky.

Love that he is on top of everything during the game & emotions are totally in check too! So happy this guy is our head coach

i hope he can be coach until he chooses not to like Bill B and Bill C

Agreed, Crown, but he is the 2nd youngest HC out there and his entire life has been about THIS. The fact it happened to be us is well, just good joss. But strong links back here to time as a ball boy....now who could have that kind of dream come true? But he put in his time too, playing for the LONGHORNS as WR, and then 10 yrs in the coaching fraternity, the last 3 stops being OC.

Then the bottom up and top down examination of the entire franchise and the guy hired, John Lynch , either agrees with Jed to hire KYle or , kyle already hired by Jed, wants JL as GM. I've heard the story both ways and both are good ones. Whatever or however it went down, it was our good fortune after wandering around lost for the last 20 yrs. Ok, 18.

But to think that kyle will be a short timer...not going to happen. And with any kind of luck here he is our main man for the next two decades. Lots can happen along the way , however. For now we are in the catbirds seat and are just darn lucky to have kyle and JL here. So sometime really long down the line i agree, and hope kyle can choose his exit like Bill and Bill.