2017 Team Information (Needs)

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

Sign a proven C.. Draft a starting guard then a 3 way battle for the other guard spot between Tomlinson/Garnett/Magnuson.

If staff feels one of those 3 CANT get it done then we gotta sign a veteran guard too. You dont need to be elite at every OL spot. 4 solid starters and one average at G is okay. If not we address the following year.

There are at least a half dozen FA centers this year age 26. There are more at various ages but it seems funny how many are 26 (nine). Not sure any are suited for Shanahan's scheme...but one of them has to be better than Kilgore, who is 29.

For sure. I think a proven C and draft a day one starting guard...lets go i think well be good.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

And smokes i am in favor of getting 3 bona fide all pros. Draft 2 or 3 good collge kids but don't leave the OL dependent on developing an OG we just draffed. Have that fixed. Solid. Working. Draft for starters who need a couple yrs. And do it routinely....every yr so we get someone from draft who does work out. But don't depend on a college kid for OL. There may be one or two a yr but that has been it. And with ZBS there will be less.

Drafting two or 3? Think thats overkill and me personally i dont wanna close the book on Tomlinson/Garnett/Magnuson. Remember we gave up a 2nd for Jimmy.

If we dont land a big fish at pass rusher/CB/WR you would think those 3 positions along with a guard is gonna be the first 4 picks or should be IMO.

Yeah smokes it WOULD be overkill if we had any OL. But all we got is two OTs. That's it. The rest suck. Now, we do need to see Darren williams...he looked good the little we saw in PS...defintely need to see him a couple games or 3.

I don't care if it costs us $30 mil to sign one dominant C and 2 OG starters. But it has to be done. And THEN pick up a couple OGs/C in draft....with new FA OG OG and C, it can be round 3 or 4. But they better be talented. CB or WR at #1 fine by me...but then we need 2 LBs, too. And the ER. Maybe make him the #1 pick if jsut outstanding. Here is where lynch can get creative adn land more 1s , and 2s if we end up with #2 pick or so. Top 3...then trade for 1s and 2s. Then maybe we get ER, WR CB, LBs. Thing is we could use 2 of each. Jeez.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

Sign a proven C.. Draft a starting guard then a 3 way battle for the other guard spot between Tomlinson/Garnett/Magnuson.

If staff feels one of those 3 CANT get it done then we gotta sign a veteran guard too. You dont need to be elite at every OL spot. 4 solid starters and one average at G is okay. If not we address the following year.

There are at least a half dozen FA centers this year age 26. There are more at various ages but it seems funny how many are 26 (nine). Not sure any are suited for Shanahan's scheme...but one of them has to be better than Kilgore, who is 29.

For sure. I think a proven C and draft a day one starting guard...lets go i think well be good.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

And smokes i am in favor of getting 3 bona fide all pros. Draft 2 or 3 good collge kids but don't leave the OL dependent on developing an OG we just draffed. Have that fixed. Solid. Working. Draft for starters who need a couple yrs. And do it routinely....every yr so we get someone from draft who does work out. But don't depend on a college kid for OL. There may be one or two a yr but that has been it. And with ZBS there will be less.

Drafting two or 3? Think thats overkill and me personally i dont wanna close the book on Tomlinson/Garnett/Magnuson. Remember we gave up a 2nd for Jimmy.

If we dont land a big fish at pass rusher/CB/WR you would think those 3 positions along with a guard is gonna be the first 4 picks or should be IMO.

Yeah smokes it WOULD be overkill if we had any OL. But all we got is two OTs. That's it. The rest suck. Now, we do need to see Darren williams...he looked good the little we saw in PS...defintely need to see him a couple games or 3.

I don't care if it costs us $30 mil to sign one dominant C and 2 OG starters. But it has to be done. And THEN pick up a couple OGs/C in draft....with new FA OG OG and C, it can be round 3 or 4. But they better be talented. CB or WR at #1 fine by me...but then we need 2 LBs, too. And the ER. Maybe make him the #1 pick if jsut outstanding. Here is where lynch can get creative adn land more 1s , and 2s if we end up with #2 pick or so. Top 3...then trade for 1s and 2s. Then maybe we get ER, WR CB, LBs. Thing is we could use 2 of each. Jeez.

Yall going crazy. Sign 2-3 starters and draft 2-3 push starters in the draft? s**t sounds silly lol.

We had Adam Snyder starting in 2011. Falcons had chris chester starting for them last year on his last leg before retiring. If we LEGITIMATELY get a starting caliber C&G and perhaps one swing T to groom...personally i think well be fine.

Current Personnel:

Offensive Personnel: --- 23
QB: C.J. BeatHard; Jimmy Garoppolo
RB1: Carlos Hyde
RB2: Raheem Mostert; Matt Breida
OW: *Kyle Juszczyk
TE: George Kittle; Garett Celek & Cole Hikutini
XWR: Marquise Goodwin; Aldrick Robinson
YWR: Trent Taylor; Victor Bolden Jr.
ZWR: Pierre Garçon; Kendrick Bourne
LOT: Bryce Harris: Joe Staley
LG: Laken Tomlinson; Zane Beadles
C: Daniel Kilgore; Erik Magnuson
RG: Brandon Fusco;
ROT: Trenton Brown

*Offensive Weapon (RB/FB/TE/WR)

Defensive Personnel: --- 27
SAM: Eli Harold
LDE: Datone Jones; Ronald Blair
NT: *Earl Mitchell; D.J. Jones
RDT: *DeForest Buckner; Tony McDaniel
LEO: *Leger Douzable*; Solomon Thomas
NER: Elvis Dumervil; Dekoda Watson, Aaron Lynch & Pita Taumoepenu
MIKE: Reuben Foster; Brock Coyle
WILL: Elijah Lee; Ray-Ray Armstrong & Mark Nzeocha
RCB: Dontae Johnson; Greg Mabin
S/CB: Leon Hall; K'Waun Williams
LCB: Ahkello Witherspoon
FS: Jaquiski Tartt; Adrian Colbert
SS: Eric Reid; Dexter McCoil

* Interior Rushers / NER = Nickel Edge Rushers

Special Teams: --- 3
LS: Kyle Nelson
PK: Robbie Gould
P: Bradley Pinion

KOR: Victor Bolden Jr. & Raheem Mostert
PR: Trent Taylor; Victor Bolden Jr.
GR: Raheem Mostert & Adrian Colbert

2017 Practice Squad:
QB Nick Mullens
RB Jeremy McNichols
LT Darrell Williams
RT Pace Murphy
G John Flynn
ZWR DeAndre Smelter
YWR DeAndre Carter
TE Cole Wick
DE Noble Nwachukwu
CB Tyvis Powell

2017 Injured Reserve / PUP / NFI / Suspension Total:
DE Ronald Blair (returned Week 9)
DE Tank Carradine (designated to return)
WR Aaron Burbridge
G Joshua Garnett
LB Jimmie Gilbert
CB Prince Charles Iworah
DB Chanceller James
WR B.J. Johnson - Waived
DT Chris Jones
DB Don Jones
LB Donavin Newsome
CB Will Redmond - Waived
LB Malcolm Smith
RB Joe Williams
CB Asa Jackson
DL Arik Armstead
FS Jimmie Ward
T Gary Gilliam

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:
Sign a proven C.. Draft a starting guard then a 3 way battle for the other guard spot between Tomlinson/Garnett/Magnuson.

If staff feels one of those 3 CANT get it done then we gotta sign a veteran guard too. You dont need to be elite at every OL spot. 4 solid starters and one average at G is okay. If not we address the following year.

There are at least a half dozen FA centers this year age 26. There are more at various ages but it seems funny how many are 26 (nine). Not sure any are suited for Shanahan's scheme...but one of them has to be better than Kilgore, who is 29.

For sure. I think a proven C and draft a day one starting guard...lets go i think well be good.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
And smokes i am in favor of getting 3 bona fide all pros. Draft 2 or 3 good collge kids but don't leave the OL dependent on developing an OG we just draffed. Have that fixed. Solid. Working. Draft for starters who need a couple yrs. And do it routinely....every yr so we get someone from draft who does work out. But don't depend on a college kid for OL. There may be one or two a yr but that has been it. And with ZBS there will be less.

Drafting two or 3? Think thats overkill and me personally i dont wanna close the book on Tomlinson/Garnett/Magnuson. Remember we gave up a 2nd for Jimmy.

If we dont land a big fish at pass rusher/CB/WR you would think those 3 positions along with a guard is gonna be the first 4 picks or should be IMO.

Yeah smokes it WOULD be overkill if we had any OL. But all we got is two OTs. That's it. The rest suck. Now, we do need to see Darren williams...he looked good the little we saw in PS...defintely need to see him a couple games or 3.

I don't care if it costs us $30 mil to sign one dominant C and 2 OG starters. But it has to be done. And THEN pick up a couple OGs/C in draft....with new FA OG OG and C, it can be round 3 or 4. But they better be talented. CB or WR at #1 fine by me...but then we need 2 LBs, too. And the ER. Maybe make him the #1 pick if jsut outstanding. Here is where lynch can get creative adn land more 1s , and 2s if we end up with #2 pick or so. Top 3...then trade for 1s and 2s. Then maybe we get ER, WR CB, LBs. Thing is we could use 2 of each. Jeez.

If they drafted Price and Ragnow it would greatly help solve the OL problem. Price can play either G or C and Ragnow is a top rated center who will likely last into the 3rd round (or so projects CBS and other draft sites). Price will likely be a 2nd round pick. If they go heavy offense this year they could wind up with RB Barkley, OG/C Price and C Ragnow. That would be an interesting draft, though I expect them to try and sign veterans to start on the OL. OK...that would allow them to draft WRs. CBS currently has Kirk, Ateman, Cain, Cobbs and Petis rated as 2nd or early 3rd round picks. OK...getting a bit giddy now that they have picked up their hope for a FQB!

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

Sign a proven C.. Draft a starting guard then a 3 way battle for the other guard spot between Tomlinson/Garnett/Magnuson.

If staff feels one of those 3 CANT get it done then we gotta sign a veteran guard too. You dont need to be elite at every OL spot. 4 solid starters and one average at G is okay. If not we address the following year.

There are at least a half dozen FA centers this year age 26. There are more at various ages but it seems funny how many are 26 (nine). Not sure any are suited for Shanahan's scheme...but one of them has to be better than Kilgore, who is 29.

For sure. I think a proven C and draft a day one starting guard...lets go i think well be good.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

And smokes i am in favor of getting 3 bona fide all pros. Draft 2 or 3 good collge kids but don't leave the OL dependent on developing an OG we just draffed. Have that fixed. Solid. Working. Draft for starters who need a couple yrs. And do it routinely....every yr so we get someone from draft who does work out. But don't depend on a college kid for OL. There may be one or two a yr but that has been it. And with ZBS there will be less.

Drafting two or 3? Think thats overkill and me personally i dont wanna close the book on Tomlinson/Garnett/Magnuson. Remember we gave up a 2nd for Jimmy.

If we dont land a big fish at pass rusher/CB/WR you would think those 3 positions along with a guard is gonna be the first 4 picks or should be IMO.

Yeah smokes it WOULD be overkill if we had any OL. But all we got is two OTs. That's it. The rest suck. Now, we do need to see Darren williams...he looked good the little we saw in PS...defintely need to see him a couple games or 3.

I don't care if it costs us $30 mil to sign one dominant C and 2 OG starters. But it has to be done. And THEN pick up a couple OGs/C in draft....with new FA OG OG and C, it can be round 3 or 4. But they better be talented. CB or WR at #1 fine by me...but then we need 2 LBs, too. And the ER. Maybe make him the #1 pick if jsut outstanding. Here is where lynch can get creative adn land more 1s , and 2s if we end up with #2 pick or so. Top 3...then trade for 1s and 2s. Then maybe we get ER, WR CB, LBs. Thing is we could use 2 of each. Jeez.

If they drafted Price and Ragnow it would greatly help solve the OL problem. Price can play either G or C and Ragnow is a top rated center who will likely last into the 3rd round (or so projects CBS and other draft sites). Price will likely be a 2nd round pick. If they go heavy offense this year they could wind up with RB Barkley, OG/C Price and C Ragnow. That would be an interesting draft, though I expect them to try and sign veterans to start on the OL. OK...that would allow them to draft WRs. CBS currently has Kirk, Ateman, Cain, Cobbs and Petis rated as 2nd or early 3rd round picks. OK...getting a bit giddy now that they have picked up their hope for a FQB!

We just got to see how FA goes but good discussion lol.

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:
Yall going crazy. Sign 2-3 starters and draft 2-3 push starters in the draft? s**t sounds silly lol.

We had Adam Snyder starting in 2011. Falcons had chris chester starting for them last year on his last leg before retiring. If we LEGITIMATELY get a starting caliber C&G and perhaps one swing T to groom...personally i think well be fine.

Nothing contradictory here...just a matter of how Shanahan evaluates guys like Garnett, Fusco and Tomlinson. If he believes they can learn to be effective in his system? Great! But I really don't see Kilgore as the long term center for KS.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

Yall going crazy. Sign 2-3 starters and draft 2-3 push starters in the draft? s**t sounds silly lol.

We had Adam Snyder starting in 2011. Falcons had chris chester starting for them last year on his last leg before retiring. If we LEGITIMATELY get a starting caliber C&G and perhaps one swing T to groom...personally i think well be fine.

Nothing contradictory here...just a matter of how Shanahan evaluates guys like Garnett, Fusco and Tomlinson. If he believes they can learn to be effective in his system? Great! But I really don't see Kilgore as the long term center for KS.

I dont either.. I keep saying prematurely at the moment keep in mind lol, sign a proven C and take a guard in the 2nd..or sign a G&C and take a swing tackle to develop.

Wow...look at all that youth.

53-man Roster:

Offensive Personnel: --- 23
QB: C.J. BeatHard; Jimmy Garoppolo
RB1: Carlos Hyde
RB2: Matt Breida; Raheem Mostert
OW: *Kyle Juszczyk
TE: George Kittle; Cole Hikutini & Garett Celek
XWR: Marquise Goodwin
YWR: Trent Taylor; Victor Bolden Jr.
ZWR: Aldrick Robinson; Kendrick Bourne
LOT: Trenton Brown: Joe Staley & Bryce Harris
LG: Laken Tomlinson
C: Daniel Kilgore
RG: Erik Magnuson; Brandon Fusco
ROT: Zane Beadles; Darrell Williams Jr.

*Offensive Weapon (RB/FB/TE/WR)

Defensive Personnel: --- 27
SAM: Eli Harold
LDE: Datone Jones; Ronald Blair
NT: Earl Mitchell; D.J. Jones
RDT: DeForest Buckner; Tony McDaniel
LEO: Leger Douzable; Solomon Thomas
NER: Elvis Dumervil; Dekoda Watson, Aaron Lynch & Pita Taumoepenu
MIKE: Reuben Foster; Brock Coyle
WILL: Elijah Lee; Ray-Ray Armstrong & Mark Nzeocha
RCB: Dontae Johnson; Greg Mabin
S/CB: Leon Hall; K'Waun Williams
LCB: Ahkello Witherspoon
FS: Jaquiski Tartt; Adrian Colbert
SS: Eric Reid; Dexter McCoil

NER = Nickel Edge Rushers

Special Teams: --- 3
LS: Kyle Nelson
PK: Robbie Gould
P: Bradley Pinion

KOR: Victor Bolden Jr. & Raheem Mostert
PR: Trent Taylor; Victor Bolden Jr.
GR: Raheem Mostert & Adrian Colbert

Originally posted by NCommand:

So, aside from bringing in a handful of veterans to help install the systems, clearly, the "plan" in year 1 was to phase the older veterans out of the lineup and get as many snaps as possible for the rookies and young players to see who will stick going forward and who won't.

Here's a recent article on it as well: http://m.sfgate.com/49ers/article/Here-come-the-kids-49ers-rookies-getting-12303357.php

Through 7 games, these are the young players who have gotten real NFL snaps thus far (or could/should):

Who do you think sticks?

Priority snaps needed

Offensive Personnel:
QB: C.J. Beathard
RB1: Carlos Hyde
RB2: Matt Breida
OW: Kyle Juszczyk
TE: George Kittle & Cole Hikutini
XWR: Marquise Goodwin
YWR: Trent Taylor
ZWR: Kendrick Bourne
LOT: Darrell Williams (PS)
LG: Laken Tomlinson & Joshua Garnett (I.R.)
C: Daniel Kilgore
RG: Erik Magnuson
ROT: Trenton Brown

Defensive Personnel:
SAM: Eli Harold
BE: Tank Carradine, Ronald Blair & Arik Armstead
NT: D.J. Jones
RDT: DeForest Buckner
LEO: Solomon Thomas
NER: Aaron Lynch & Pita Taumoepenu
MIKE: Reuben Foster
WILL: Ray-Ray Armstrong, Elijah Lee & Mark Nzeocha
RCB: Ahkello Witherspoon & Dontae Johnson
S/CB: K'Waun Williams
LCB: Rashard Robinson
FS: Jimmie Ward & Adrian Colbert
SS: Jaquiski Tartt, Eric Reid & Dexter McCoil

Special Teams:
LS: Kyle Nelson
PK: Robbie Gould
P: Bradley Pinion
KOR: Victor Bolden Jr. & Raheem Mostert
PR: Trent Taylor & Victor Bolden Jr.
GR: Adrian Colbert & Raheem Mostert

2017 Practice Squad:
QB Nick Mullens
RB Jeremy McNichols
LT Darrell Williams
RT Pace Murphy
G John Flynn
ZWR DeAndre Smelter
YWR DeAndre Carter
TE Cole Wick
DL Jeremy Liggins
CB Greg Mabin

2017 Injured Reserve:
DE Ronald Blair (designated to return)
DE Tank Carradine (designated to return)
WR Aaron Burbridge
G Joshua Garnett
LB Jimmie Gilbert
CB Prince Charles Iworah
DB Chanceller James
WR B.J. Johnson - Waived
DT Chris Jones
DB Don Jones
LB Donavin Newsome
CB Will Redmond
LB Malcolm Smith
RB Joe Williams
CB Asa Jackson
DL Arik Armstead

The youth movement and getting these young kids snaps continues. Just gotta get the following many more snaps (or first snaps):

QB: C.J. Beathard
TE: Cole Hikutini
ZWR: Kendrick Bourne & DeAndre Smelter
LOT: Trenton Brown
RG: Erik Magnuson
ROT: Darrell Williams
SAM: Eli Harold
BE: Ronald Blair
NER: Pita Taumoepenu
MIKE: Reuben Foster
WILL: Elijah Lee
RCB: Ahkello Witherspoon
FS: Adrian Colbert

Originally posted by NCommand:

Wow...look at all that youth.

53-man Roster:

Offensive Personnel: --- 23
QB: C.J. BeatHard; Jimmy Garoppolo
RB1: Carlos Hyde
RB2: Matt Breida; Raheem Mostert
OW: *Kyle Juszczyk
TE: George Kittle; Cole Hikutini & Garett Celek
XWR: Marquise Goodwin
YWR: Trent Taylor; Victor Bolden Jr.
ZWR: Aldrick Robinson; Kendrick Bourne
LOT: Trenton Brown: Joe Staley & Bryce Harris
LG: Laken Tomlinson
C: Daniel Kilgore
RG: Erik Magnuson; Brandon Fusco
ROT: Zane Beadles; Darrell Williams Jr.

*Offensive Weapon (RB/FB/TE/WR)

Defensive Personnel: --- 27
SAM: Eli Harold
LDE: Datone Jones; Ronald Blair
NT: Earl Mitchell; D.J. Jones
RDT: DeForest Buckner; Tony McDaniel
LEO: Leger Douzable; Solomon Thomas
NER: Elvis Dumervil; Dekoda Watson, Aaron Lynch & Pita Taumoepenu
MIKE: Reuben Foster; Brock Coyle
WILL: Elijah Lee; Ray-Ray Armstrong & Mark Nzeocha
RCB: Dontae Johnson; Greg Mabin
S/CB: Leon Hall; K'Waun Williams
LCB: Ahkello Witherspoon
FS: Jaquiski Tartt; Adrian Colbert
SS: Eric Reid; Dexter McCoil

NER = Nickel Edge Rushers

Special Teams: --- 3
LS: Kyle Nelson
PK: Robbie Gould
P: Bradley Pinion

KOR: Victor Bolden Jr. & Raheem Mostert
PR: Trent Taylor; Victor Bolden Jr.
GR: Raheem Mostert & Adrian Colbert

Absolutely love it! Building for the future!

Redmond was cut I believe.

Love the youth and it might be advisable for them to bring in some really high character FAs. They could even make a trade or two for guys who would like to play for Shanahan?

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Redmond was cut I believe.

Love the youth and it might be advisable for them to bring in some really high character FAs. They could even make a trade or two for guys who would like to play for Shanahan?

Yeah, that was a copy from last week. Thanks.

These are who we should focus on the final 8 games:

QB: C.J. Beathard
TE: Cole Hikutini
ZWR: Kendrick Bourne & DeAndre Smelter
LOT: Trenton Brown
RG: Erik Magnuson
ROT: Darrell Williams
SAM: Eli Harold
BE: Ronald Blair
NER: Pita Taumoepenu
MIKE: Reuben Foster
WILL: Elijah Lee
RCB: Ahkello Witherspoon
FS: Adrian Colbert

I was just reading the IR list, we have some talent sitting on the blocks!

Originally posted by NCommand:
Yeah, that was a copy from last week. Thanks.

These are who we should focus on the final 8 games:

QB: C.J. Beathard
TE: Cole Hikutini
ZWR: Kendrick Bourne & DeAndre Smelter
LOT: Trenton Brown
RG: Erik Magnuson
ROT: Darrell Williams
SAM: Eli Harold
BE: Ronald Blair
NER: Pita Taumoepenu
MIKE: Reuben Foster
WILL: Elijah Lee
RCB: Ahkello Witherspoon
FS: Adrian Colbert

There are a couple guys I would really love to see succeed on this list...OK, all of them...but to pick a couple favorites--Smelter for his history of excelling and then being hampered by injury, Harold who is known for great character and leadership qualities, and Blair because he is from a small school (Appalachian St...a school that occasionally supplies really nice NFL players).

Edit: Smelter, for those who do not know his history, was destined to be a MLB player but hurt his shoulder. Concentrating on football he became the type of receiver who goes after passes with a gusto and takes the ball, rather than just receiving it. Plus...his size is a great asset. Oh well...I can always hope!

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Redmond was cut I believe.

Love the youth and it might be advisable for them to bring in some really high character FAs. They could even make a trade or two for guys who would like to play for Shanahan?

Yeah, that was a copy from last week. Thanks.

These are who we should focus on the final 8 games:

QB: C.J. Beathard
TE: Cole Hikutini
ZWR: Kendrick Bourne & DeAndre Smelter
LOT: Trenton Brown
RG: Erik Magnuson
ROT: Darrell Williams
SAM: Eli Harold
BE: Ronald Blair
NER: Pita Taumoepenu
MIKE: Reuben Foster
WILL: Elijah Lee
RCB: Ahkello Witherspoon
FS: Adrian Colbert

This is the future of the 49ers. I hope these kids make the best of it.