2017 Team Information (Needs)

Linebacker is a huge need, even with foster back

Originally posted by NCommand:

So based on what we've seen thus far from the youth who will most likely be here next year as cornerstones or key contributors when we're ready to make a run next year (with a great off season and a little luck) or the year after, here's where we're at:

OFFENSE:

Quarterback:
QB: C.J. BeatHard
Need: Excellent depth with Hoyer and potentially BeatHard but this off season will be all about securing a FQB.

Running Backs:
RB2: Matt Breida - #23 PFF grade at 74.2
OW: Kyle Juszczyk - #8 PFF grade at 68.4
Need: It looks like the future is very bright here and we still have Joe Williams waiting in the wings. Hyde has proven to be an excellent insides zone runner but Kyle likes the stretches so the FO has a choice to make here (update: we're fielding offers for Hyde).

Tight Ends:
TE: George Kittle - NG. Cole Hikutini - NG.
Need: I couldn't find his current PFF grade here but he had a monster game last game and above average in run blocking. As a rookie he's had 3 huge drops but he's also played through 3 injuries too. If he finds consistency, look out. If nothing else, he'd be an excellent #2. Now it's time to see what Cole can do.

XWR: Marquise Goodwin - #49 PFF grade at 72.4 (Torrey Smith #98 at 44.2)
YWR: Trent Taylor - #90 PFF grade at 46.2
ZWR: Pierre Garcon - #5 PFF at 83.2
Need: After the early dropsies Goodwin has started to come on the last two games. Every team needs a #3 deep threat. Garcon has the conditioning to play this effective for 3 more years but he's best served for a #2 role. With Taylor an effective returner and shifty slot WR, we might be looking at a premier ZWR next off season to compliment Garcon.

Offensive Line:
LOT: Joe Staley - #17 PFF at 77.5
LG: Laken Tomlinson - #63 PFF grade at 38.3
C: Daniel Kilgore - #32 PFF grade at 38.9
RG: None
ROT: Trenton Brown - #8 PFF grade at 81.0
Need: There is no question we need to start grooming a T behind Staley but the real work will be in FA trying to massively improve all 3 interior spots. Those guys stink!

DEFENSE:

Base/Nickel DL:
LDE/BE: Arik Armstead - #38 ER PFF grade at 78.2. Tank Carradine - #39 PFF at 79.9
NT: D.J. Jones - #78 PFF grade at 71.4
RDT: DeForest Buckner - a beast
LEO: Solomon Thomas - #90 PFF grade at 49.0
NER: Aaron Lynch - #44 PFF grade at 75.9
Need: Tank is a premier 6T and needs to be resigned, Buckner needs to man the 1T with Thomas full time at 3T (think Stubblefield + B.Young). Jones adds short yardage depth and Armstead adds interior depth at pass rush. This FO will be searching long and hard for a true LEO coupled with current depth in Dumervil/Lynch to work with. We need a consistent edge rush coming on every down to couple with premier inside talent and depth.

Linebackers:
SAM: Eli Harold - #62 PFF grade at 45.5
MIKE: Reuben Foster - he's coming back soon
WILL: Ray-Ray Armstrong - #2 PFF grade again right behind Buckner at 83.7 two weeks in a row. Overall #52 at 49.9
Need: Bowman's days are numbered (correction: released) so we'll need a dynamic WILL with Foster sliding over to MIKE (confirmed). Malcolm Smith will be returning next year but we could use another dynamic WILL and an excellent pass rushing SAM that can play every down opposite the LEO.

RCB: Dontae Johnson; Ahkello Witherspoon - #100 per PFF at 40.8. Same scheme issues as Robinson (see below)
S/CB: K'Waun Williams - up and down, NG
LCB: Rashard Robinson - #97 per PFF at 42.3. He was PFF's #1 rookie coming into the season at 13.2 coverage snaps per reception. Saleh's off coverage scheme and trail technique has eff'd his game up IMHO
FS: Jimmie Ward - #74 PFF FS at 41.5
SS: Jaquiski Tartt - #4 PFF SS at 88.9. Eric Reid - #30 PFF at 77.4
Need: At S, the FO has to decide if Reid is the future. Saleh would like both Tartt and Reid as one would be the dime SS/LB. These upcoming games with Witherspoon and consistency of Robinson will go a long ways in helping set our off season moves in motion. I think off coverage and trail techniques have turned RR's talent upside down. An upgrade over Johnson is a must unless Saleh moves to jam press but he's best served as a backup as it stands. Ward will have to grow more and more if he wants to lock down the most critical position in the secondary.

SPECIAL TEAMS:

Specialists:
LS: Kyle Nelson - Perfection
PK: Robbie Gould - 100% at 14 for 14
P: Bradley Pinion - #2 on PFF and 3rd in punts inside the 20
KOR: Victor Bolden Jr. - 242 yards = 3rd
PR: Trent Taylor - 3rd in Avg with 10+ returns
GR: Adrian Colbert & Raheem Mostert - two of the best in the league (PFF)
Need: Outside of PK, we could be set at ST for the next 5-10 years.

We can now add C.J. and Witherspoon to the list of youth we're now developing...that my friends, is the plan.

Need to get Magnuson snaps for Kilgore, Lee for Ray-Ray and Cole for Celek.

Originally posted by Eastcoastniner:

Linebacker is a huge need, even with foster back

Yup, Ray-Ray couldn't have 3 good games. He was very poor today. That shoulder makes it worse too. He's 3rd string for a reason.

Things to think about for this off season.

https://www.theringer.com/platform/amp/nfl/2017/10/17/16488320/parity-myth-dynasty-roger-goodell-collective-bargaining-agreement

do you think we will see an increase in salary cap for 2018 given the rumored decrease in NFL revenue as a result of the kneelers?

Originally posted by ninersrule4:
Is there anything we don't need?

QB sucks
RB probably leaves in FA
WR Garcon and trash
Oline sucks
Dline minus Dfro sucks
LBS minus Foster sucks
CBs trash

I guess werw solid at K and P. Tartt and Ward are decent

We don't need OT, RB, FS, or SS.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Eastcoastniner:

Linebacker is a huge need, even with foster back

Yup, Ray-Ray couldn't have 3 good games. He was very poor today. That shoulder makes it worse too. He's 3rd string for a reason.

Scuba steve stole your thread 🐕.
Youre gonna let them do you like that?

Originally posted by 9erred:

Originally posted by ninersrule4:
Is there anything we don't need?

QB sucks
RB probably leaves in FA
WR Garcon and trash
Oline sucks
Dline minus Dfro sucks
LBS minus Foster sucks
CBs trash

I guess werw solid at K and P. Tartt and Ward are decent

I have posted this numerous times. The 4 premium positions for the NFL are as follows- reference is bill walsh's book
1. Franchise qb
2. Stud pass rusher that OC's fear
3. Shut down corner that can play man to man shutting down one side of field
4. LT to protect qb

The niners only have the LT and that one player is aging. So until the above are cornerstones and franchise talent, especially the qb, the team will never be competitive.

The first three are obvious but I think #4 is a premier WR. Having said that, all teams need those things.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Things to think about for this off season.

https://www.theringer.com/platform/amp/nfl/2017/10/17/16488320/parity-myth-dynasty-roger-goodell-collective-bargaining-agreement

Interesting reason not to shell out for Cousins.

Ravens Center Ryan Jensen could be a good addition. Still not sure how Zuttah could not have been any better than Kilgore.

So, aside from bringing in a handful of veterans to help install the systems, clearly, the "plan" in year 1 was to phase the older veterans out of the lineup and get as many snaps as possible for the rookies and young players to see who will stick going forward and who won't.

Here's a recent article on it as well: http://m.sfgate.com/49ers/article/Here-come-the-kids-49ers-rookies-getting-12303357.php

Through 7 games, these are the young players who have gotten real NFL snaps thus far (or could/should):

Who do you think sticks?

Priority snaps needed

Offensive Personnel:
QB: C.J. Beathard
RB1: Carlos Hyde
RB2: Matt Breida
OW: Kyle Juszczyk
TE: George Kittle & Cole Hikutini
XWR: Marquise Goodwin
YWR: Trent Taylor
ZWR: Kendrick Bourne
LOT: Darrell Williams (PS)
LG: Laken Tomlinson & Joshua Garnett (I.R.)
C: Daniel Kilgore
RG: Erik Magnuson
ROT: Trenton Brown

Defensive Personnel:
SAM: Eli Harold
BE: Tank Carradine, Ronald Blair & Arik Armstead
NT: D.J. Jones
RDT: DeForest Buckner
LEO: Solomon Thomas
NER: Aaron Lynch & Pita Taumoepenu
MIKE: Reuben Foster
WILL: Ray-Ray Armstrong, Elijah Lee & Mark Nzeocha
RCB: Ahkello Witherspoon & Dontae Johnson
S/CB: K'Waun Williams
LCB: Rashard Robinson
FS: Jimmie Ward & Adrian Colbert
SS: Jaquiski Tartt, Eric Reid & Dexter McCoil

Special Teams:
LS: Kyle Nelson
PK: Robbie Gould
P: Bradley Pinion
KOR: Victor Bolden Jr. & Raheem Mostert
PR: Trent Taylor & Victor Bolden Jr.
GR: Adrian Colbert & Raheem Mostert

2017 Practice Squad:
QB Nick Mullens
RB Jeremy McNichols
LT Darrell Williams
RT Pace Murphy
G John Flynn
ZWR DeAndre Smelter
YWR DeAndre Carter
TE Cole Wick
DL Jeremy Liggins
CB Greg Mabin

2017 Injured Reserve:
DE Ronald Blair (designated to return)
DE Tank Carradine (designated to return)
WR Aaron Burbridge
G Joshua Garnett
LB Jimmie Gilbert
CB Prince Charles Iworah
DB Chanceller James
WR B.J. Johnson - Waived
DT Chris Jones
DB Don Jones
LB Donavin Newsome
CB Will Redmond
LB Malcolm Smith
RB Joe Williams
CB Asa Jackson
DL Arik Armstead

All i know is i can't wait for our 90 man future roster. We already struggled to make cuts this year.

Were 6 months boys... Start scheming now and handle your personal business so we can f**king destroy s**t the off season before taking back the West in 2018

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

All i know is i can't wait for our 90 man future roster. We already struggled to make cuts this year.

Were 6 months boys... Start scheming now and handle your personal business so we can f**king destroy s**t the off season before taking back the West in 2018

Yeah, a lot of the young ones have already had a lot of snaps and now a fresh crop of the second wave is underway (BeatHard, Hikutini, Magnuson, Taumoepenu. Foster, Blair, Witherspoon, and Colbert).

After that, who else needs a tryout this year? LT Darrell Williams and maybe ZWR DeAndre Smelter and then next year, G Joshua Garnett & RB Joe Williams? That's it...litetally.

In the article referenced above, Kyle downplays the 16-game pre season when directly asked but he's not fooling anyone. That's exactly what this is.

"...Yeah we do have a lot of rookies out there, but it's not just because we're deciding based off age who should play."

Riiiiight.

Love all of the snaps & game experience the young guys are getting so far. It is hard to watch the team lose, but it is good for the team long-term.

Ugh. The roster is so underwhelming as a whole. Got a long way to go.