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Mar 12, 2018 at 5:21 PM

NCommand
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Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Assuming you can find a versatile guy who can backup three positions, I agree. But I'm not sure that's likely and having a guy who already knows the system may be a better option this next year. I must confess it amuses me that he and Tartt played on the same HS team...perhaps that is skewing my thoughts!

Ha, true. You shouldn't need an $8.5M backup who can play multiple positions IF you have adequate players for depth. We needed him AND Tartt's versatility last year. The goal this year is finding pure talented backups at CB, FS, SS and LB so you don't have to rely on much versatility for depth. I can certainly understand your stance too though.

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Mar 12, 2018 at 6:56 PM

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AB81Rules
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Finalist for Norwell apparently, http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/03/12/report-andrew-norwell-to-choose-among-49ers-colts-giants/

Mar 12, 2018 at 7:57 PM

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NCommand
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Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Finalist for Norwell apparently, http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/03/12/report-andrew-norwell-to-choose-among-49ers-colts-giants/

The idea that if we pay G top $ means we can't pay Brown is false.

2018: $31.5M Unit Spend
Staley - $7.7M
Norwell - $14M
Kilgore - $5.4M
Garnett - $2.5M
Brown - $1.9M

2019: $38M Unit Spend
Staley - $7.7M or less if restructured (more up front $) or rookie salary
Norwell - $14M
Kilgore - $2.8M
Garnett - 5th year option or rookie
Brown - $8-11M (top 5 RT)

Top 10 offensive unit spends today is between $33M (Washington) - $48M (Eagles)

AB, how much would it cost to exercise Garnett's 5th year option?

Mar 12, 2018 at 8:10 PM

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AB81Rules
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Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Finalist for Norwell apparently, http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/03/12/report-andrew-norwell-to-choose-among-49ers-colts-giants/

The idea that if we pay G top $ means we can't pay Brown is false.

2018: $31.5M Unit Spend
Staley - $7.7M
Norwell - $14M
Kilgore - $5.4M
Garnett - $2.5M
Brown - $1.9M

2019: $38M Unit Spend
Staley - $7.7M or less if restructured (more up front $) or rookie salary
Norwell - $14M
Kilgore - $2.8M
Garnett - 5th year option or rookie
Brown - $8-11M (top 5 RT)

Top 10 offensive unit spends today is between $33M (Washington) - $48M (Eagles)

AB, how much would it cost to exercise Garnett's 5th year option?

Garnett is signed through 2019, not sure what his 2020 5th yr number would be.

Mar 12, 2018 at 8:11 PM

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GEEK
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Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Finalist for Norwell apparently, http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/03/12/report-andrew-norwell-to-choose-among-49ers-colts-giants/

The idea that if we pay G top $ means we can't pay Brown is false.

2018: $31.5M Unit Spend
Staley - $7.7M
Norwell - $14M
Kilgore - $5.4M
Garnett - $2.5M
Brown - $1.9M

2019: $38M Unit Spend
Staley - $7.7M or less if restructured (more up front $) or rookie salary
Norwell - $14M
Kilgore - $2.8M
Garnett - 5th year option or rookie
Brown - $8-11M (top 5 RT)

Top 10 offensive unit spends today is between $33M (Washington) - $48M (Eagles)

AB, how much would it cost to exercise Garnett's 5th year option?

Garnett is signed through 2019, not sure what his 2020 5th yr number would be.

Doesn't Garnett's contract toll because he was on reserve in 2017?

Mar 12, 2018 at 8:19 PM

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NCommand
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Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Garnett is signed through 2019, not sure what his 2020 5th yr number would be.

Thanks...was trying to get an general price range to help predict unit spend in 2019.

Originally posted by GEEK:
Doesn't Garnett's contract toll because he was on reserve in 2017?

I don't know. Good question.

Mar 12, 2018 at 8:21 PM

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English
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Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Finalist for Norwell apparently, http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/03/12/report-andrew-norwell-to-choose-among-49ers-colts-giants/

Pretty pleased about this. Demonstrates, though, that the team accept that major surgery on the O line is essential.

Mar 12, 2018 at 8:25 PM

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AB81Rules
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Originally posted by GEEK:
Doesn't Garnett's contract toll because he was on reserve in 2017?

No, he would have had to spend the season on NFI, IR is for football injuries.

Mar 12, 2018 at 9:18 PM

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pdizo916
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Originally posted by English:
Pretty pleased about this. Demonstrates, though, that the team accept that major surgery on the O line is essential.

You're right. At LEAST they are not sitting on their hands. Even though I don't want to pay Norwell LT money, at least they're trying to fix problems.

Mar 12, 2018 at 11:43 PM

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Allen Robinson to the Bears per NFL.COM

Mar 13, 2018 at 9:07 AM

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DJamhour
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Excited now that we filled 2 huge needs so far. I really want is some 2nd-tier signings like last years (Goodwin, Mitchell, Dumervil, Gould). Hopefully fill LB, EDGE, S assuming we cut Reid

.. and Reid over Ward for me if we had to keep one of our own). Not going to name targets but just trusting Lynch, Kyle and Saleh can figure out good low cost free agents to fill holes before draft

Mar 13, 2018 at 9:08 AM

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Arsenal2004
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Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by Arsenal2004:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Also remember that my $67M doesn't include money that can be saved if we cut Beadles, Tomlinson, Ward, Robinson, Jones, Harold, etc.... Cutting Ward saves $8.526M in cash, around $8M in cap due to top 51 rule, would really offset the Sherman signing money wise this year.

This can't be overstated. Pre or post June 1st, we can cut Zane Beadles ($3.5M), Earl Mitchell ($3.1M), Garrett Celek ($2.05M), Aldrick Robinson ($2.05M), Eli Harold ($1.907M), Laken Tomlinson a s ($1.6M), etc. Jimmie Ward has to be cut today or tomorrow after passing a physical. That would save $8.5M alone.

Collectively, that's another $22.7M for players that add virtually nothing right now with viable replacements already on the team.

Garnett basically replaces Beadles, Sherman/C.James replaces Ward, Day/Jones for Mitchell, Cole Hikutini for Celek, Bourne for Robinson, Pita for Harold, Magnusson for Tomlinson, etc.

Sherman is not as versatile as Ward but is a better LCB. He doesn't move around the field, or didn't in Seattle, so I'm not sure he can move to safety as Ward does. I know folks are down on Ward due to his injuries but he is valuable for that flexibility on the roster. Sherman push Johnson to a backup position. May help him learn how to play CB as well.

I'm anxious to see what they do with Reid and Tartt. Is Reid done? Or will he be able to withstand the pounding at SS?

I think if Ward restructures he can stay but his injury concerns outweigh his versatility at that cap number.

Only if they use up the cap room. They need to use a percentage of the cap this year and I'd rather see them keep Ward than bring in someone just to spend the money. Of course, if the 9ers are really becoming a highly desired team for FAs...I'd be fine with improving the team as much as possible. About the only players that can not be improved upon? Staley and JG. Other than those two no one should be safe. The young DL would be next...give them a chance to develop. Other than that I could see an 80 to 90% turn over next couple of years.

What position do you see having the most turnover for the next few years?

Mar 13, 2018 at 9:10 AM

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Arsenal2004
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Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
He can play CB, Slot, and FS as a backup. His health is the major issue and I could see him being cut if he doesn't restructure. My point is that they have a ton of cap space so salary may not be the deciding factor. Once again, if they pick up enough pieces so he is not needed? Fine, cut him. But at the moment he's a better overall DB than most of their DBs. He is perhaps the 3rd best DB on the roster...especially if Reid is on his way down. Shanahan and Lynch are not tied to him so...

Originally posted by dj43:
Ward is not a big deal to me. We aren't in cap trouble hence there is no need to cut him. He can be at least decent depth if he stays healthy. Since he isn't going to pass a physical in time to cut him now, talk of cutting him is all moot.

Clearly we can absorb it but why? I'd rather pick up a veteran who's 1/4th the cost, stay healthy and roll the $ over to next year or use on another FA.

I agree. We need players who can contribute and be relied on which Ward hasn't so far.

Mar 13, 2018 at 9:12 AM

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Arsenal2004
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Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
He can play CB, Slot, and FS as a backup. His health is the major issue and I could see him being cut if he doesn't restructure. My point is that they have a ton of cap space so salary may not be the deciding factor. Once again, if they pick up enough pieces so he is not needed? Fine, cut him. But at the moment he's a better overall DB than most of their DBs. He is perhaps the 3rd best DB on the roster...especially if Reid is on his way down. Shanahan and Lynch are not tied to him so...

Originally posted by dj43:
Ward is not a big deal to me. We aren't in cap trouble hence there is no need to cut him. He can be at least decent depth if he stays healthy. Since he isn't going to pass a physical in time to cut him now, talk of cutting him is all moot.

Clearly we can absorb it but why? I'd rather pick up a veteran who's 1/4th the cost, stay healthy and roll the $ over to next year or use on another FA.

Assuming you can find a versatile guy who can backup three positions, I agree. But I'm not sure that's likely and having a guy who already knows the system may be a better option this next year. I must confess it amuses me that he and Tartt played on the same HS team...perhaps that is skewing my thoughts!

We could draft Derwin James. He can play both safety positions and possibly develop into a decent corner as well.

Mar 13, 2018 at 9:53 AM

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Originally posted by Arsenal2004:
What position do you see having the most turnover for the next few years?

My guess is DBs and LBs, but it could also be RBs and OL...and WR. Other than that...a QB for backup...a DE who can pass rush...hmm...seems like I'm leaving someone out!