John Lynch - 49ers GM

Originally posted by All22:

Originally posted by replikante:
"Is it time to reconsider a trade for Maxx Crosby?"

why? because the rams have traded for Garrett?
that's a damn good acquisition for them (and put it quite more difficult, but not impossible, to beat them and surpass them for the NFC West) but I don't think we should just mirror what they do

I think we already have an excellent DL,... Bosa will be back for the beginning of the training camp, Williams during it, like White,... and the 3 of them are expectd to be ready for week1,... both Height and Halton are pointing in the right direction and, though yet too early, seem to be what the team was expecting when they were drafted,... Osa could end up being one of the best FA acquisitions of late,... he's already a leader and will adress one of the most glaring deficiencies of this DL last season, the interior pass-rush,...

Edge: Bosa, Williams, Height, White, Sam O
DL: Osa, Collins, West, Halton

I would say that it could end up being a top3 DL,... so investing more resources on it seems like a little bit a redundance and a waste of them,... let alone investing "a 2027 first and a 2028 second" plus "$29M a year for 4 years"

there are IMO quite more glaring needs in this team if we want to compete with the Rams and Seattle next season,... the most important one, after not adressing it nor in FA nor in the draft, still is a Free Safety who's not burnt in coverage,... Ashtyn Davis is just a backup and special teams player

but Antonio Johnson is in the last year of his rookie contract (2023 5th round) and Jackx has already drafted a couple of safeties in the 3rd round this year and the previous one,... his PFF coverage grade of 88.4 ranked 1st among 98 qualified safeties last season,... he got 5 interceptions and 3 passes broken up in just 9 games,... allowed a passer rating of only 55,5, one of the bests
he would be a real improvement

Safety over pass rush? That's absurd. One can never have enough pass rush there's never a reason to prioritize safety over pass rush

The reason is simple. Cost and need.

Trading for Crosby is still going to be substantial. It would be great to add him but the better bang for the buck may be upgrading safety who would not only cost less in a trade but also cap space.

If we bring in Crosby we're losing one of him or Nick within a year or two. Can't pay two of those guys for long term.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by All22:

Originally posted by replikante:
"Is it time to reconsider a trade for Maxx Crosby?"

why? because the rams have traded for Garrett?
that's a damn good acquisition for them (and put it quite more difficult, but not impossible, to beat them and surpass them for the NFC West) but I don't think we should just mirror what they do

I think we already have an excellent DL,... Bosa will be back for the beginning of the training camp, Williams during it, like White,... and the 3 of them are expectd to be ready for week1,... both Height and Halton are pointing in the right direction and, though yet too early, seem to be what the team was expecting when they were drafted,... Osa could end up being one of the best FA acquisitions of late,... he's already a leader and will adress one of the most glaring deficiencies of this DL last season, the interior pass-rush,...

Edge: Bosa, Williams, Height, White, Sam O
DL: Osa, Collins, West, Halton

I would say that it could end up being a top3 DL,... so investing more resources on it seems like a little bit a redundance and a waste of them,... let alone investing "a 2027 first and a 2028 second" plus "$29M a year for 4 years"

there are IMO quite more glaring needs in this team if we want to compete with the Rams and Seattle next season,... the most important one, after not adressing it nor in FA nor in the draft, still is a Free Safety who's not burnt in coverage,... Ashtyn Davis is just a backup and special teams player

but Antonio Johnson is in the last year of his rookie contract (2023 5th round) and Jackx has already drafted a couple of safeties in the 3rd round this year and the previous one,... his PFF coverage grade of 88.4 ranked 1st among 98 qualified safeties last season,... he got 5 interceptions and 3 passes broken up in just 9 games,... allowed a passer rating of only 55,5, one of the bests
he would be a real improvement

Safety over pass rush? That's absurd. One can never have enough pass rush there's never a reason to prioritize safety over pass rush

The reason is simple. Cost and need.

Trading for Crosby is still going to be substantial. It would be great to add him but the better bang for the buck may be upgrading safety who would not only cost less in a trade but also cap space.

If we bring in Crosby we're losing one of him or Nick within a year or two. Can't pay two of those guys for long term.

Isn't Nick coming up on another extension, would be a lot better to have one of those guys instead of none

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
And how many of those teams got rid of their coach and front office?

Baltimore got rid of Harbaugh and they had a legit shot every year for a longer period than Shanahan / Lynch but the difference is he won a Super Bowl.

A legit chance and actually winning are two very different things.

those teams overall haven't been as successful as SF has the past 9-10 yrs.

Harbs has been the HC since 2008 and overall hasn't been better overall since Kyle got in SF. John wanted to leave there just as much as Baltimore wanted something new.

Again your mindset is Peterson and Arians are your preferred HCs based off this dumb narrative. Only people that agree with this crap are people who live in a world without context. Hate to break that to ya, that's not real life.

also did you have another account in here that got banned? Just curious

I guess it depends how successful you think 5 winning seasons out of 9 is.

82-67 and a .550 win / loss percentage.

9-5 playoff record

2-2 NFCCG record

0-2 SB record

Originally posted by Philippines_49er:
And what about Bosa, Williams, Greenlaw, Warner,, Kittle, CMC, Williams, etc. With the amount of players games lost to injuries in recent years, it's difficult to be confident that things will be any better this coming season.

Oh, I see,.... you were refering to all these

well,... easy, fire all of them,.... and while you are at it, use the momentum and fire everyone who has had an injury,... that's to say,.......... FIRE EVERYBODY!!!!

Originally posted by All22:
Safety over pass rush? That's absurd. One can never have enough pass rush there's never a reason to prioritize safety over pass rush

go sign 50 pass-rushers then (supposing you don't prioritize them over QBs)

no, seriously,... and apart from inconsequential comparisons with pass-rushers,..... we desperately need a FS,.... there's no safety in the actual roster who's not been burnt in coverage

and all of Antonio Johnson's stats are really impressive,.... all of them:

- PFF coverage grade of 88.4 ranked 1st among 98 qualified safeties last season
- 5 interceptions and 3 passes broken up in just 660 snaps (more or less half the snaps of a complete season, imagine having 10 interceptions in a season))
- 55,5 allowed Passer Rating
- 3 missed tackles accounting for an astonishing 5,3%
- average depth of tackle: 2.9 yards
- 2 sacks in just 19 pass-rush snaps

he's not very athletic but completely compensate it with his vision and anticipation alongside a high football IQ,.... and he would probably be traded for cheap,.... something like a 2027 5th or a 6th,....he's in the last year of his rookie contract while Jackx has drafted a couple of safeties in the 3rd round of the last 2 drafts,.... he's not an established starter in the team having started 9 games in 2025, 8 in 24 and 3 his rookie year

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
I guess it depends how successful you think 5 winning seasons out of 9 is.

82-67 and a .550 win / loss percentage.

9-5 playoff record

2-2 NFCCG record

0-2 SB record

Statistics can be a very unreliable metric. When Shanahan joined, the roster was absolutely awful. The emphasis during the early years was rebuilding. And the recent terrible year, 2024, was caused by an appalling series of key injuries. Not sure why I should need to explain that.

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
I guess it depends how successful you think 5 winning seasons out of 9 is.

82-67 and a .550 win / loss percentage.

9-5 playoff record

2-2 NFCCG record

0-2 SB record

Statistics can be a very unreliable metric. When Shanahan joined, the roster was absolutely awful. The emphasis during the early years was rebuilding. And the recent terrible year, 2024, was caused by an appalling series of key injuries. Not sure why I should need to explain that.

Fine. Take out the regular season.

What's the excuse for 2-2 in the NFCCG's and 0-2 in the Super Bowls then?

And before you say Purdy got hurt vs the Eagles whose decision was it to have Josh Johnson as the backup QB in that game?

Originally posted by replikante:
Oh, I see,.... you were refering to all these

well,... easy, fire all of them,.... and while you are at it, use the momentum and fire everyone who has had an injury,... that's to say,.......... FIRE EVERYBODY!!!!

My point is that it's tough to get excited about the season when it seems every week someone else goes down for the year.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
I guess it depends how successful you think 5 winning seasons out of 9 is.

82-67 and a .550 win / loss percentage.

9-5 playoff record

2-2 NFCCG record

0-2 SB record

Compared to 90% of the league that IS more successful. When we're not decimated with injures we go to the playoffs/NFCCs and SBs. Most teams can't say that.

this past season showed EVEN when completely thrashed with injuries they STILL almost grabbed a 1 seed, went 12-5 and beat the defending champs in Philly.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
Fine. Take out the regular season.

What's the excuse for 2-2 in the NFCCG's and 0-2 in the Super Bowls then?

And before you say Purdy got hurt vs the Eagles whose decision was it to have Josh Johnson as the backup QB in that game?

What's the excuse for 90% of the league not even making it to the Championship game or the Super Bowl?

Brock Purdy was QB3 that yr derp. It was Lance/Jimmy G and then Brock. Perfect example lacking context and whining just to whine.

Originally posted by English:
Statistics can be a very unreliable metric. When Shanahan joined, the roster was absolutely awful. The emphasis during the early years was rebuilding. And the recent terrible year, 2024, was caused by an appalling series of key injuries. Not sure why I should need to explain that.

The fans screaming about firing Kyle refuse to use context and logic. It diminishes their narrative. Hard to have a good conversation with people like that.

I'm fine with folks being upset if they start out their debate with…."I'm an emotional fan and none of what I'm saying is based of being objective or level headed"…at least we all know there's no conversation to be had with people that think like that.

Originally posted by genus49:
The reason is simple. Cost and need.

Trading for Crosby is still going to be substantial. It would be great to add him but the better bang for the buck may be upgrading safety who would not only cost less in a trade but also cap space.

If we bring in Crosby we're losing one of him or Nick within a year or two. Can't pay two of those guys for long term.

I mean why can't you pay both? LA is about to do just that (young and Myles plus both their DTs). I'm not moving for Maxx while recovering from a knee injury though.

Safety imo is one of the least impactful positions on defense. It's a luxury to have a good one, not a necessity. I'm all for them upgrading, but it should never break the bank (compensation/draft capital or contract wise) there's constant good vet safeties sitting in FA.

Arguing over safety vs edge is silly. The fact is to be a real contender you can't be weak at any spot. Teams exploit holes in your defense. That's what they're supposed to do. The defense will do the same if you have a weakness on offense. You can have 2 great edge rushers but if your DBs are bad then offenses will find holes. If the edge rushers are terrible then even great DBs will get burned.

Originally posted by replikante:
no, seriously,... and apart from inconsequential comparisons with pass-rushers,..... we desperately need a FS,.... there's no safety in the actual roster who's not been burnt in coverage

and all of Antonio Johnson's stats are really impressive,.... all of them:

- PFF coverage grade of 88.4 ranked 1st among 98 qualified safeties last season
- 5 interceptions and 3 passes broken up in just 660 snaps (more or less half the snaps of a complete season, imagine having 10 interceptions in a season))
- 55,5 allowed Passer Rating
- 3 missed tackles accounting for an astonishing 5,3%
- average depth of tackle: 2.9 yards
- 2 sacks in just 19 pass-rush snaps

he's not very athletic but completely compensate it with his vision and anticipation alongside a high football IQ,.... and he would probably be traded for cheap,.... something like a 2027 5th or a 6th,....he's in the last year of his rookie contract while Jackx has drafted a couple of safeties in the 3rd round of the last 2 drafts,.... he's not an established starter in the team having started 9 games in 2025, 8 in 24 and 3 his rookie year

Why would they trade him he's making next to nothing? And he's further proof you can find quality safeties on day 3 or in FA.