John Lynch - 49ers GM

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Lol where did I say all those players were all hits? . Just pointing out that you've been on one ever since Seattle and the rams had those immediate impact drafts. All we hear is this incessant whining amount no impact players under 25 and how the Niners are doomed against both . Take a breath

The Seahawks literally won the Superbowl...

lol no s**t. And you still non stop piss and moan because they had had an immediate impact draft and won it against a depleted niner team. Get a grip

Come defend this @hoovtrain

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How Many of Lynch's Reaches Actually Paid Off? Let's evaluate all 16 non-2026 picks, one by one, with the largest reaches listed first:

Round 3 PK Jake Moody (2023) – expected at 275, taken at 99 Cut from the 49ers.

The single most emblematic pick of this era of 49ers drafting. San Francisco used a third-round pick (176 spots ahead of his projected value) on a kicker, making Moody just the second kicker selected in the top 100 in 15 years.

In 2024, he converted just 70.6% of his kicks, the second-worst rate among qualified NFL kickers.

Then in Week 1 of 2025, he went 1 for 3 against Seattle (one kick hit the upright from 27 yards), and the team cut him.

He bounced to the Bears' practice squad and then to Washington.

Burning a third-round pick on a kicker who couldn't make it through Week 1 of his third season is about as bad as it gets.

Round 3 LB Nick Martin (2025) – expected at 192, taken at 75Has done little to justify a third-round grade.

The 2025 rookie was buried on the depth chart all season.

Graded with a 50 by PFF, he registered just 15 total snaps last year.

Round 4 WR Jordan Watkins (2025) – expected at 304, taken at 138Watkins struggled with injuries early in his rookie season and never carved out a role.

He finished with 2 catches for 26 yards in four games.

Round 3 TE Cameron Latu (2023) – expected at 188, taken at 101 CUT.

San Francisco grabbed Latu 87 spots before his projected slot.

He tore his meniscus before the regular season began, was placed on injured reserve as a rookie, and never played a single regular-season snap for San Francisco in 2023.

The team waived him in August 2024.

Round 3 CB Upton Stout (2025) – expected at 173, taken at 100Among 114 CBs last year, Stout graded 75th in coverage and 59th overall per PFF.

Round 2 CB Renardo Green (2024) – expected at 110, taken at 64Among 114 CBs last year, Green graded 93rd in coverage and 92nd overall per PFF.

Round 5 S Marques Sigle (2025) – expected at 234, taken at 160Among 98 safeties last year, Sigle graded 96th in coverage and 96th overall per PFF

Round 2 DL Alfred Collins (2025) – expected at 61, taken at 43Collins has been buried in a revolving door of 49ers defensive linemen.

Taken as a second rounder, Collins massively underwhelmed.

Last year, out of 134 defensive linemen, Collins graded 123rd overall per PFF.

Round 5 EDGE Robert Beal Jr. (2023) – expected at 228, taken at 173 CUT.

Beal spent two-plus years with the 49ers as a special teams reserve and depth edge rusher, never developing into a legitimate rotational contributor.

Round 6 OG Jarrett Kingston (2024) – expected at 297, taken at 215 CUT.

Kingston never even made the 49ers roster.

He was waived in August 2024.

Round 4 RB Isaac Guerendo (2024) – expected at 164, taken at 129Aside from spot starts due to injury, Guerendo has been relegated to special teams or has been a healthy scratch.

He struggled with ball security, pass blocking, and vision.

He had 0 carries and 0 receptions in 2025.

Round 5 CB Darrell Luter Jr. (2023) – expected at 183, taken at 155Three years into his career, Luter remains primarily a special teams player.

He did not play enough snaps last year to be ranked, but his grade of 55.4 in coverage was well below satisfactory.

Round 7 TE Brayden Willis (2023) – expected at 276, taken at 247Long-time practice squad/fringe body who has been kept around almost entirely for his special teams work.

Round 4 WR Jacob Cowing (2024) – expected at 137, taken at 135Functioned almost entirely as a punt returner, not a receiver.

Cowing's offensive contribution was minimal in 2024, and he never developed into a legitimate target in the passing game.

He had 4 catches in 2024 and missed last year with a hamstring injury.

Round 7 QB Kurtis Rourke (2025) – expected at 230, taken at 22749ers' backup/emergency quarterback behind Brock Purdy, with Mac Jones ahead of him.

The flaw with that is leaving Shanahan out of criticism because after 9 seasons, 10 free agency periods and 10 drafts we all know that he has a say on everything this FO does.

Shanahan is as guilty as Lynch.

Originally posted by Heroism:

I evaluated the last 4 years of John Lynch drafts

his performance:

2023: #31
2024: #28
2025: #31
2026: #32

after the draft, Lynch claimed he knows better than everyone else

the data shows he doesn't

I went thru every single "reach" he made

it's grosshttps://t.co/lIiJ1aOWx9

— Warren Sharp (@SharpFootball) April 26, 2026

Come defend this @hoovtrain

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How Many of Lynch's Reaches Actually Paid Off? Let's evaluate all 16 non-2026 picks, one by one, with the largest reaches listed first:

Round 3 PK Jake Moody (2023) – expected at 275, taken at 99 Cut from the 49ers.

The single most emblematic pick of this era of 49ers drafting. San Francisco used a third-round pick (176 spots ahead of his projected value) on a kicker, making Moody just the second kicker selected in the top 100 in 15 years.

In 2024, he converted just 70.6% of his kicks, the second-worst rate among qualified NFL kickers.

Then in Week 1 of 2025, he went 1 for 3 against Seattle (one kick hit the upright from 27 yards), and the team cut him.

He bounced to the Bears' practice squad and then to Washington.

Burning a third-round pick on a kicker who couldn't make it through Week 1 of his third season is about as bad as it gets.

Round 3 LB Nick Martin (2025) – expected at 192, taken at 75Has done little to justify a third-round grade.

The 2025 rookie was buried on the depth chart all season.

Graded with a 50 by PFF, he registered just 15 total snaps last year.

Round 4 WR Jordan Watkins (2025) – expected at 304, taken at 138Watkins struggled with injuries early in his rookie season and never carved out a role.

He finished with 2 catches for 26 yards in four games.

Round 3 TE Cameron Latu (2023) – expected at 188, taken at 101 CUT.

San Francisco grabbed Latu 87 spots before his projected slot.

He tore his meniscus before the regular season began, was placed on injured reserve as a rookie, and never played a single regular-season snap for San Francisco in 2023.

The team waived him in August 2024.

Round 3 CB Upton Stout (2025) – expected at 173, taken at 100Among 114 CBs last year, Stout graded 75th in coverage and 59th overall per PFF.

Round 2 CB Renardo Green (2024) – expected at 110, taken at 64Among 114 CBs last year, Green graded 93rd in coverage and 92nd overall per PFF.

Round 5 S Marques Sigle (2025) – expected at 234, taken at 160Among 98 safeties last year, Sigle graded 96th in coverage and 96th overall per PFF

Round 2 DL Alfred Collins (2025) – expected at 61, taken at 43Collins has been buried in a revolving door of 49ers defensive linemen.

Taken as a second rounder, Collins massively underwhelmed.

Last year, out of 134 defensive linemen, Collins graded 123rd overall per PFF.

Round 5 EDGE Robert Beal Jr. (2023) – expected at 228, taken at 173 CUT.

Beal spent two-plus years with the 49ers as a special teams reserve and depth edge rusher, never developing into a legitimate rotational contributor.

Round 6 OG Jarrett Kingston (2024) – expected at 297, taken at 215 CUT.

Kingston never even made the 49ers roster.

He was waived in August 2024.

Round 4 RB Isaac Guerendo (2024) – expected at 164, taken at 129Aside from spot starts due to injury, Guerendo has been relegated to special teams or has been a healthy scratch.

He struggled with ball security, pass blocking, and vision.

He had 0 carries and 0 receptions in 2025.

Round 5 CB Darrell Luter Jr. (2023) – expected at 183, taken at 155Three years into his career, Luter remains primarily a special teams player.

He did not play enough snaps last year to be ranked, but his grade of 55.4 in coverage was well below satisfactory.

Round 7 TE Brayden Willis (2023) – expected at 276, taken at 247Long-time practice squad/fringe body who has been kept around almost entirely for his special teams work.

Round 4 WR Jacob Cowing (2024) – expected at 137, taken at 135Functioned almost entirely as a punt returner, not a receiver.

Cowing's offensive contribution was minimal in 2024, and he never developed into a legitimate target in the passing game.

He had 4 catches in 2024 and missed last year with a hamstring injury.

Round 7 QB Kurtis Rourke (2025) – expected at 230, taken at 22749ers' backup/emergency quarterback behind Brock Purdy, with Mac Jones ahead of him.

Lol No one's defending anything, in fact you can see where I've criticized them, in this very draft. just saying the Seahawks are the newest thing you've latched on to, the rams prior to that, the lions/eagles/packers run game prior to that and so on and so on. You're obsessed and it's turned you into an incessant whiner 🤣

Originally posted by Heroism:

I evaluated the last 4 years of John Lynch drafts

his performance:

2023: #31
2024: #28
2025: #31
2026: #32

after the draft, Lynch claimed he knows better than everyone else

the data shows he doesn't

I went thru every single "reach" he made

it's grosshttps://t.co/lIiJ1aOWx9

— Warren Sharp (@SharpFootball) April 26, 2026

Come defend this @hoovtrain

🤡

How Many of Lynch's Reaches Actually Paid Off? Let's evaluate all 16 non-2026 picks, one by one, with the largest reaches listed first:

Round 3 PK Jake Moody (2023) – expected at 275, taken at 99 Cut from the 49ers.

The single most emblematic pick of this era of 49ers drafting. San Francisco used a third-round pick (176 spots ahead of his projected value) on a kicker, making Moody just the second kicker selected in the top 100 in 15 years.

In 2024, he converted just 70.6% of his kicks, the second-worst rate among qualified NFL kickers.

Then in Week 1 of 2025, he went 1 for 3 against Seattle (one kick hit the upright from 27 yards), and the team cut him.

He bounced to the Bears' practice squad and then to Washington.

Burning a third-round pick on a kicker who couldn't make it through Week 1 of his third season is about as bad as it gets.

Round 3 LB Nick Martin (2025) – expected at 192, taken at 75Has done little to justify a third-round grade.

The 2025 rookie was buried on the depth chart all season.

Graded with a 50 by PFF, he registered just 15 total snaps last year.

Round 4 WR Jordan Watkins (2025) – expected at 304, taken at 138Watkins struggled with injuries early in his rookie season and never carved out a role.

He finished with 2 catches for 26 yards in four games.

Round 3 TE Cameron Latu (2023) – expected at 188, taken at 101 CUT.

San Francisco grabbed Latu 87 spots before his projected slot.

He tore his meniscus before the regular season began, was placed on injured reserve as a rookie, and never played a single regular-season snap for San Francisco in 2023.

The team waived him in August 2024.

Round 3 CB Upton Stout (2025) – expected at 173, taken at 100Among 114 CBs last year, Stout graded 75th in coverage and 59th overall per PFF.

Round 2 CB Renardo Green (2024) – expected at 110, taken at 64Among 114 CBs last year, Green graded 93rd in coverage and 92nd overall per PFF.

Round 5 S Marques Sigle (2025) – expected at 234, taken at 160Among 98 safeties last year, Sigle graded 96th in coverage and 96th overall per PFF

Round 2 DL Alfred Collins (2025) – expected at 61, taken at 43Collins has been buried in a revolving door of 49ers defensive linemen.

Taken as a second rounder, Collins massively underwhelmed.

Last year, out of 134 defensive linemen, Collins graded 123rd overall per PFF.

Round 5 EDGE Robert Beal Jr. (2023) – expected at 228, taken at 173 CUT.

Beal spent two-plus years with the 49ers as a special teams reserve and depth edge rusher, never developing into a legitimate rotational contributor.

Round 6 OG Jarrett Kingston (2024) – expected at 297, taken at 215 CUT.

Kingston never even made the 49ers roster.

He was waived in August 2024.

Round 4 RB Isaac Guerendo (2024) – expected at 164, taken at 129Aside from spot starts due to injury, Guerendo has been relegated to special teams or has been a healthy scratch.

He struggled with ball security, pass blocking, and vision.

He had 0 carries and 0 receptions in 2025.

Round 5 CB Darrell Luter Jr. (2023) – expected at 183, taken at 155Three years into his career, Luter remains primarily a special teams player.

He did not play enough snaps last year to be ranked, but his grade of 55.4 in coverage was well below satisfactory.

Round 7 TE Brayden Willis (2023) – expected at 276, taken at 247Long-time practice squad/fringe body who has been kept around almost entirely for his special teams work.

Round 4 WR Jacob Cowing (2024) – expected at 137, taken at 135Functioned almost entirely as a punt returner, not a receiver.

Cowing's offensive contribution was minimal in 2024, and he never developed into a legitimate target in the passing game.

He had 4 catches in 2024 and missed last year with a hamstring injury.

Round 7 QB Kurtis Rourke (2025) – expected at 230, taken at 22749ers' backup/emergency quarterback behind Brock Purdy, with Mac Jones ahead of him.

This is so full of bad faithed b******t. You're better than this.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Lol No one's defending anything, in fact you can see where I've criticized them, in this very draft. just saying the Seahawks are the newest thing you've latched on to, the rams prior to that, the lions/eagles/packers run game prior to that and so on and so on. You're obsessed and it's turned you into an incessant whiner 🤣

Yeah, that's what I thought. Take a seat, lil gup. You ain't been the same since you got dogged out over your boy BA.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Lol No one's defending anything, in fact you can see where I've criticized them, in this very draft. just saying the Seahawks are the newest thing you've latched on to, the rams prior to that, the lions/eagles/packers run game prior to that and so on and so on. You're obsessed and it's turned you into an incessant whiner 🤣

Yeah, that's what I thought. Take a seat, lil gup. You ain't been the same since you got dogged out over your boy BA.

You thought what?
Dogged out huh? Who turned down multiple trades and signed back again? .
You were so much better when you would stick to breaking down DL play and condescend to the likes of NC 😆 can't wait to see what your new flavor of the month will be

I do like how athletic our defense now is, and they're all pretty young outside of Warner/dre/bosa.

we added a big ass corner (idk if he plays this year but hopefully he has a great camp where he does). Freak athletic LB (Martin is here and he's a freak too).

I think our only issue is S. We have a real nice rotation on the D line now. From what we were two years ago to now, it's awesome.

our offense is old af but awesome vets. My only worry is our o line (which is in better position than last year) and TE.

if our guys from last year get better - we could be a force across the league. Just need health on our side. I'm still concerned about what our defense will be. I've always felt like Raheem has a defense that gives up a lot of players but also gets turnovers. I hope he proves me wrong.

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by Heroism:

I evaluated the last 4 years of John Lynch drafts

his performance:

2023: #31
2024: #28
2025: #31
2026: #32

after the draft, Lynch claimed he knows better than everyone else

the data shows he doesn't

I went thru every single "reach" he made

it's grosshttps://t.co/lIiJ1aOWx9

— Warren Sharp (@SharpFootball) April 26, 2026

Come defend this @hoovtrain

🤡

How Many of Lynch's Reaches Actually Paid Off? Let's evaluate all 16 non-2026 picks, one by one, with the largest reaches listed first:

Round 3 PK Jake Moody (2023) – expected at 275, taken at 99 Cut from the 49ers.

The single most emblematic pick of this era of 49ers drafting. San Francisco used a third-round pick (176 spots ahead of his projected value) on a kicker, making Moody just the second kicker selected in the top 100 in 15 years.

In 2024, he converted just 70.6% of his kicks, the second-worst rate among qualified NFL kickers.

Then in Week 1 of 2025, he went 1 for 3 against Seattle (one kick hit the upright from 27 yards), and the team cut him.

He bounced to the Bears' practice squad and then to Washington.

Burning a third-round pick on a kicker who couldn't make it through Week 1 of his third season is about as bad as it gets.

Round 3 LB Nick Martin (2025) – expected at 192, taken at 75Has done little to justify a third-round grade.

The 2025 rookie was buried on the depth chart all season.

Graded with a 50 by PFF, he registered just 15 total snaps last year.

Round 4 WR Jordan Watkins (2025) – expected at 304, taken at 138Watkins struggled with injuries early in his rookie season and never carved out a role.

He finished with 2 catches for 26 yards in four games.

Round 3 TE Cameron Latu (2023) – expected at 188, taken at 101 CUT.

San Francisco grabbed Latu 87 spots before his projected slot.

He tore his meniscus before the regular season began, was placed on injured reserve as a rookie, and never played a single regular-season snap for San Francisco in 2023.

The team waived him in August 2024.

Round 3 CB Upton Stout (2025) – expected at 173, taken at 100Among 114 CBs last year, Stout graded 75th in coverage and 59th overall per PFF.

Round 2 CB Renardo Green (2024) – expected at 110, taken at 64Among 114 CBs last year, Green graded 93rd in coverage and 92nd overall per PFF.

Round 5 S Marques Sigle (2025) – expected at 234, taken at 160Among 98 safeties last year, Sigle graded 96th in coverage and 96th overall per PFF

Round 2 DL Alfred Collins (2025) – expected at 61, taken at 43Collins has been buried in a revolving door of 49ers defensive linemen.

Taken as a second rounder, Collins massively underwhelmed.

Last year, out of 134 defensive linemen, Collins graded 123rd overall per PFF.

Round 5 EDGE Robert Beal Jr. (2023) – expected at 228, taken at 173 CUT.

Beal spent two-plus years with the 49ers as a special teams reserve and depth edge rusher, never developing into a legitimate rotational contributor.

Round 6 OG Jarrett Kingston (2024) – expected at 297, taken at 215 CUT.

Kingston never even made the 49ers roster.

He was waived in August 2024.

Round 4 RB Isaac Guerendo (2024) – expected at 164, taken at 129Aside from spot starts due to injury, Guerendo has been relegated to special teams or has been a healthy scratch.

He struggled with ball security, pass blocking, and vision.

He had 0 carries and 0 receptions in 2025.

Round 5 CB Darrell Luter Jr. (2023) – expected at 183, taken at 155Three years into his career, Luter remains primarily a special teams player.

He did not play enough snaps last year to be ranked, but his grade of 55.4 in coverage was well below satisfactory.

Round 7 TE Brayden Willis (2023) – expected at 276, taken at 247Long-time practice squad/fringe body who has been kept around almost entirely for his special teams work.

Round 4 WR Jacob Cowing (2024) – expected at 137, taken at 135Functioned almost entirely as a punt returner, not a receiver.

Cowing's offensive contribution was minimal in 2024, and he never developed into a legitimate target in the passing game.

He had 4 catches in 2024 and missed last year with a hamstring injury.

Round 7 QB Kurtis Rourke (2025) – expected at 230, taken at 22749ers' backup/emergency quarterback behind Brock Purdy, with Mac Jones ahead of him.

This is so full of bad faithed b******t. You're better than this

WHat specifically do you disagree with

Originally posted by Crown:

Originally posted by mcwoot:

Originally posted by InfernoDaLuz:

Originally posted by mcwoot:
Lynch once again fumbles a layup

I've had issues with Lynch, especially in the draft, but what exactly did he fumble tonight? Be specific, not some dumb trope.

Multiple quality starters at positions of need on the board and we missed all of them

who?

I personally would have taken Lomu but you could make a case for Johnson or Cooper

Originally posted by mcwoot:
WHat specifically do you disagree with

Mainly the idea that this draft and the last class can be judged today. It's absurd.

Originally posted by alwayssecond:

Originally posted by 49ers81:
No. The team has been to the Super Bowl twice in their tenure and might have gone to a third if Brock hadn't gotten hurt, and they have been in the playoff mix in just about every year the team wasn't decimated by injuries. Last year they got to within a win of the number one seed and homefield advantage with a team that was missing some of its best players for a majority of the year. A lot of franchises would kill for that kind of success. It sucks that they couldn't bring home a trophy and there are legitimate questions that can be asked about how they approach the draft but the sporting thing to do is to wait and see how this particular class pans put before passing judgement.

I mean, how much do you even know about the guys they selected other than maybe they weren't names that you recognized or because some guy on TV said the pick was a 'bad value". Did you actively follow any of their careers in college or do anything more than look at a 3-minute highlight reel? I suspect that it is a common problem of the internet era, and maybe sports fans in particular, everyone thinks they're an expert. I prefer to let the players decide what kind of career they're going to have once they get on the field. Go Niners!

who exactly would so desperately want heartbreak after heartbreak? only a masochist

What does that even mean? I enjoy following the team and always root for their success but at the end of the day it's just a game and, in the overall scheme of things, it isn't all that important one way or the other.

LYNCH can sound like a great manager, but year in and year out he continues to show that he knows nothing about the draft.. UNLESS, he just bows down to Shanny's wishes...

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by mcwoot:
WHat specifically do you disagree with

Mainly the idea that this draft and the last class can be judged today. It's absurd.

He isn't judging the 2026 draft class, just saying the picks were "reaches" based on consensus ranking. Consensus ranking theoretically shouldn't matter but based on the extremely poor draft record in the last 5 years + "reaching" based on consensus ranking, there can be a question as to why our draft board is so different than the "consensus." It would be one thing if Lynch had a great track record. He doesn't.

A better presentation would be if Sharp compared Lynch to the draft record of a team who had "value" based on consensus ranking and seeing if their picks were more successful.

I do agree that the 2024 and 2025 evaluations by Sharp are a bit off. Renardo Green has been mostly good. Upton Stout was very good last year. I really don't care about PFF rankings. That can't be used as evidence. Collins and Sigle both had ups and downs but showed a lot of promise in their rookie years (at least Collins did, for sure).

Sout out to Grant for asking a real question. That's not something said often