John Lynch - 49ers GM

Originally posted by jdzimme3:
people b***hed the last two years too. Pearsall, green, puni, mustapha, williams, collins, stout. How many of those guys were called reaches on draft day? Maybe All of them other than alfred williams and puni? All starters on a good team last year.

This.
You see this bs every year.

Originally posted by communist:

Originally posted by jdzimme3:
people b***hed the last two years too. Pearsall, green, puni, mustapha, williams, collins, stout. How many of those guys were called reaches on draft day? Maybe All of them other than alfred williams and puni? All starters on a good team last year.

This.
You see this bs every year.

My guy just listed all the players they've drafted recently as if that's a strong counterpoint. Not a single pro bowler there; not a single all-pro. And I like some of those guys, but I don't see the new generation of 49ers' pillars that are going to carry the team for the next decade into a new Superbowl window. Come on, get serious.

Remove Fred, CMC, Kittle, Bosa and Trent from this roster, and see how well those guys carry the team into the future. I predict a sub 5 win team.

TBH this was an abysmal early draft and likely bad overall draft. I have no clue what has changed since their early days, but this isn't it. I wonder if their swinging of the fences for Lance psyched them out. They seem to draft very reactionary to what they experienced the year before and unfortunately it doesn't equate to BPA.

Unless they are incredibly smarter than the rest of the league (highly unlikely) and found gems all over....we leave this offseason with the same issues as entering it. O-line, Safety, TE...... insanity.

The only thing I feel confident about is they helped the pass rush. Let's see how that pans out with all the injured guys returning and a new DC. The rest of these guys will be lucky to see the field aside injury which is sadly what I do expect.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by communist:

Originally posted by jdzimme3:
people b***hed the last two years too. Pearsall, green, puni, mustapha, williams, collins, stout. How many of those guys were called reaches on draft day? Maybe All of them other than alfred williams and puni? All starters on a good team last year.

This.
You see this bs every year.

My guy just listed all the players they've drafted recently as if that's a strong counterpoint. Not a single pro bowler there; not a single all-pro. And I like some of those guys, but I don't see the new generation of 49ers' pillars that are going to carry the team for the next decade into a new Superbowl window. Come on, get serious.

Remove Fred, CMC, Kittle, and Trent from this roster, and see how well those guys carry the team into the future. I predict a sub 5 win team.

I hated on Lynch for years because most of his drafts were useless.
However, I am amused by this bsittery as if any of us does no so much about the players as the teams do.

Don't forget that reach is determined by looking at internet big boards. The last and only of these experts who got the opportunity to prove himself as a GM, had failed (Mayock).

Originally posted by 49ers81:
No. The team has been to the Super Bowl twice in their tenure and might have gone to a third if Brock hadn't gotten hurt, and they have been in the playoff mix in just about every year the team wasn't decimated by injuries. Last year they got to within a win of the number one seed and homefield advantage with a team that was missing some of its best players for a majority of the year. A lot of franchises would kill for that kind of success. It sucks that they couldn't bring home a trophy and there are legitimate questions that can be asked about how they approach the draft but the sporting thing to do is to wait and see how this particular class pans put before passing judgement.

I mean, how much do you even know about the guys they selected other than maybe they weren't names that you recognized or because some guy on TV said the pick was a 'bad value". Did you actively follow any of their careers in college or do anything more than look at a 3-minute highlight reel? I suspect that it is a common problem of the internet era, and maybe sports fans in particular, everyone thinks they're an expert. I prefer to let the players decide what kind of career they're going to have once they get on the field. Go Niners!

who exactly would so desperately want heartbreak after heartbreak? only a masochist

Nothing says let's get serious like writing off the last 2 draft classes along with this one

Originally posted by communist:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by communist:

Originally posted by jdzimme3:
people b***hed the last two years too. Pearsall, green, puni, mustapha, williams, collins, stout. How many of those guys were called reaches on draft day? Maybe All of them other than alfred williams and puni? All starters on a good team last year.

This.
You see this bs every year.

My guy just listed all the players they've drafted recently as if that's a strong counterpoint. Not a single pro bowler there; not a single all-pro. And I like some of those guys, but I don't see the new generation of 49ers' pillars that are going to carry the team for the next decade into a new Superbowl window. Come on, get serious.

Remove Fred, CMC, Kittle, and Trent from this roster, and see how well those guys carry the team into the future. I predict a sub 5 win team.

I hated on Lynch for years because most of his drafts were useless.
However, I am amused by this bsittery as if any of us does no so much about the players as the teams do.

Don't forget that reach is determined by looking at internet big boards. The last and only of these experts who got the opportunity to prove himself as a GM, had failed (Mayock).

Mayock was a former NFL player, not a poster on the webzone.

The internet is symbiotic with NFL, NFL media etc. Most of that media are former players and personnel who communicate with colleagues around the league that are part of the 32 teams that build draft boards. never mind colleges etc. Like any topic/sport there are outliers and differences of opinions on prospects between different teams, but through that process a consensus is formed.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Nothing says let's get serious like writing off the last 2 draft classes along with this one

I know, when they took Stribling and Black it was WILD, because they were both high round reaches after trading around, yet that also tells us they missed on Cowing, Watkins, Guerrendo etc etc.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Nothing says let's get serious like writing off the last 2 draft classes along with this one

Who said anything about writing them off? He was citing them as an examples to counter the arguement.

Are you saying you believe all of those players are hits?

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by communist:

Originally posted by jdzimme3:
people b***hed the last two years too. Pearsall, green, puni, mustapha, williams, collins, stout. How many of those guys were called reaches on draft day? Maybe All of them other than alfred williams and puni? All starters on a good team last year.

This.
You see this bs every year.

My guy just listed all the players they've drafted recently as if that's a strong counterpoint. Not a single pro bowler there; not a single all-pro. And I like some of those guys, but I don't see the new generation of 49ers' pillars that are going to carry the team for the next decade into a new Superbowl window. Come on, get serious.

Remove Fred, CMC, Kittle, Bosa and Trent from this roster, and see how well those guys carry the team into the future. I predict a sub 5 win team.

All the guys I listed were 1st or 2nd year players and you are asking how many were all pros? Is that a serious line of thinking?

Originally posted by jdzimme3:
All the guys I listed were 1st or 2nd year players and you are asking how many were all pros? Is that a serious line of thinking?

You literally used them as examples to counter argument that the 49ers haven't drafted well recently. Your examples are going to be measured to the benchmarks for success. Maybe they're actually not good examples to use to counter point.

or is your benchmark for success for a draft pick to breathe and simply make the 53-man roster?

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Nothing says let's get serious like writing off the last 2 draft classes along with this one

Who said anything about writing them off? He was citing them as an examples to counter the arguement.

Are you saying you believe all of those players are hits?

Lol where did I say all those players were all hits? . Just pointing out that you've been on one ever since Seattle and the rams had those immediate impact drafts. All we hear is this incessant whining about no impact players under 25 and how the Niners are doomed against both . Take a breath

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Lol where did I say all those players were all hits? . Just pointing out that you've been on one ever since Seattle and the rams had those immediate impact drafts. All we hear is this incessant whining amount no impact players under 25 and how the Niners are doomed against both . Take a breath

The Seahawks literally won the Superbowl...

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by jdzimme3:
All the guys I listed were 1st or 2nd year players and you are asking how many were all pros? Is that a serious line of thinking?

You literally used them as examples to counter argument that the 49ers haven't drafted well recently. Your examples are going to be measured to benchmarks. Maybe they're actually not good examples to use to counter point.

or you benchmark for success for a draft pick to breathe and simply make the 53-man roster?

We draft 7 starters in 2 years. Many who look promising. They play on a good team that gets to the playoffs despite tons of injuries. That is what early success looks like for draft classes. Saying they aren't all pros is ridiculous. Last year there were a total of 3 first/second year players who made all pro on the entire nfl.

Originally posted by Heroism:
The Seahawks literally won the Superbowl...

But not for the reason you think. We can block up their d line all game and it won't matter because the team doesn't have the secondary to stop them.