John Lynch - 49ers GM

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Need to address FS higher than round 3. Want an impact guy for the first time in the entire Lynch tenure.

DE class is strong enough to not use a high pick and still get a contributor. Bosa Williams Huff and White is a good starting foundation.

Nah it's gonna be EDGE or WR early. Folks gotta realize what they prioritize. They aren't gonna take a safety early, it's not a high impact position and can be taken care of relatively cheaply in FA or with an early day 3 pick.

they need a legit pass rusher. We all see what happens when Bosa goes down. We need another playmaker on offense, especially if JJ is gone.

Your point here is why they weren't going to give up a 3rd for Phillips. They need an edge rusher and a pass rushing DT. Both of which you need day 1 or 2 picks for. Then when you add in receiver (especially if Jennings walks), we need those early picks.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Your point here is why they weren't going to give up a 3rd for Phillips. They need an edge rusher and a pass rushing DT. Both of which you need day 1 or 2 picks for. Then when you add in receiver (especially if Jennings walks), we need those early picks.

My point was giving up a 3rd for Phillips would have been a solid move, give what they covet and need vs how they've used those 3rd rd picks over the corse of the past 5 yrs.

I don't think they need to spend a top 64 pick on IDL.

is what it is now.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
And we move from 32nd to 26th in pass rushing. He is a quality edge rusher. Never said he wasn't. But the price is high for a guy we are not keeping longterm. But FWIW , I think if they knew this team could make a deep playoff run, they would've made the trade.

you have no clue what we move up to in pass rushing…secondly maybe that's all they need to win it all. Timely pressure and a little bit of help.

a 3rd rd pick isn't high for a young 1st rd player that doesn't suck.

10 3rd rd picks 5 years. 6 of them aren't even on the team anymore and one can't even sniff the field this yr…even with constant injuries to LBer. My god they signed a dude off the street and played him over Martin.

wasting picks on RBs and kickers in the 3rd and we want to be judgey about Phillips lol?

It is high for a player that you will have under contract for 9-10 games, which is about as much as even some of more optimistic fans (myself included) thought we'd get out of the season. To simply make an appearance in the wildcard or divisional round, it is a high price to give up a 3rd round pick. As for what the team does with those third rounders I didn't draft those damn RBs, hate almost every single 3rd round pick, and maybe foolishly I keep hoping yearly that we will draft a guy that can develop into a starter by year three. If we are just going to concede the 3rd round pick will be wasted then sure, trade them every year for better players lol. My issue is moreso about long term. The team is trying to turn over the roster and get more quality players on rookie deals. Can't do that if you are trading away picks. And going off of what was known at the time, I can see why they didn't make the trade. I also said if they knew they'd be making a run for the number 1 seed, they probably do make the trade.

But this we blow the 3rd round pick thing is a slippery slope. Some around here think we blow all of our 1st round picks as well. In some dark corners of the zone, we blow all of our picks lol. I'd like a lot more pressure. I'd like for us to have a 2019 level pass rush with 2020-2022 level run D. And I'd like for us to sustain that level of pass rush for more than a season. The path to doing that is by having lots of pass rushers, on cost controlled contracts, for 2-3 years (trying to be realistic).

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Your point here is why they weren't going to give up a 3rd for Phillips. They need an edge rusher and a pass rushing DT. Both of which you need day 1 or 2 picks for. Then when you add in receiver (especially if Jennings walks), we need those early picks.

My point was giving up a 3rd for Phillips would have been a solid move, give what they covet and need vs how they've used those 3rd rd picks over the corse of the past 5 yrs.

I don't think they need to spend a top 64 pick on IDL.

is what it is now.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
And we move from 32nd to 26th in pass rushing. He is a quality edge rusher. Never said he wasn't. But the price is high for a guy we are not keeping longterm. But FWIW , I think if they knew this team could make a deep playoff run, they would've made the trade.

you have no clue what we move up to in pass rushing…secondly maybe that's all they need to win it all. Timely pressure and a little bit of help.

a 3rd rd pick isn't high for a young 1st rd player that doesn't suck.

10 3rd rd picks 5 years. 6 of them aren't even on the team anymore and one can't even sniff the field this yr…even with constant injuries to LBer. My god they signed a dude off the street and played him over Martin.

wasting picks on RBs and kickers in the 3rd and we want to be judgey about Phillips lol?

It is high for a player that you will have under contract for 9-10 games, which is about as much as even some of more optimistic fans (myself included) thought we'd get out of the season. To simply make an appearance in the wildcard or divisional round, it is a high price to give up a 3rd round pick. As for what the team does with those third rounders I didn't draft those damn RBs, hate almost every single 3rd round pick, and maybe foolishly I keep hoping yearly that we will draft a guy that can develop into a starter by year three. If we are just going to concede the 3rd round pick will be wasted then sure, trade them every year for better players lol. My issue is moreso about long term. The team is trying to turn over the roster and get more quality players on rookie deals. Can't do that if you are trading away picks. And going off of what was known at the time, I can see why they didn't make the trade. I also said if they knew they'd be making a run for the number 1 seed, they probably do make the trade.

But this we blow the 3rd round pick thing is a slippery slope. Some around here think we blow all of our 1st round picks as well. In some dark corners of the zone, we blow all of our picks lol. I'd like a lot more pressure. I'd like for us to have a 2019 level pass rush with 2020-2022 level run D. And I'd like for us to sustain that level of pass rush for more than a season. The path to doing that is by having lots of pass rushers, on cost controlled contracts, for 2-3 years (trying to be realistic).

We may get the number 1 seed without a highly paid pass rusher on the field. So why worry about that right now?

We have the 2026 draft and free agency to figure that out. We are who we are at this point, and who we are is a winner! LFG!!!

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Your point here is why they weren't going to give up a 3rd for Phillips. They need an edge rusher and a pass rushing DT. Both of which you need day 1 or 2 picks for. Then when you add in receiver (especially if Jennings walks), we need those early picks.

My point was giving up a 3rd for Phillips would have been a solid move, give what they covet and need vs how they've used those 3rd rd picks over the corse of the past 5 yrs.

I don't think they need to spend a top 64 pick on IDL.

is what it is now.

No argument from me with this. I think early on, they get locked into these traits and the traits dictate where they draft these guys. It's always a nice skillset, but usually does not work out. I love West and Collins, but who else is there? Anderson can be a run stuffer, but he's a bubble guy. If we are going to get to the point where we overwhelm guys with our front four, a pass rushing DT is needed.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
No argument from me with this. I think early on, they get locked into these traits and the traits dictate where they draft these guys. It's always a nice skillset, but usually does not work out. I love West and Collins, but who else is there? Anderson can be a run stuffer, but he's a bubble guy. If we are going to get to the point where we overwhelm guys with our front four, a pass rushing DT is needed.

I agree that a pass rushing DT is a huge need but there aren't really any high calibre guys available in the draft. Zane Durant is probably the most explosive. He is undersized but there hasn't been a guy come into the draft with his athleticism for years. He would be a game wrecker in our one gap penetrating scheme.

"His eye-popping testing numbers landed him on Bruce Feldman's Freaks List at #38 in 2023, where he turned heads with a blazing 4.66 forty-yard dash, 4.44 shuttle, and 9'10" broad jump - elite numbers that hint at the explosive first step that shows up consistently on game film"

https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/Zane-Durant-DT-PennState#google_vignette

I'd run to the podium in round 2 to get this guy. His stock is going to soar after the combine.

Grab an edge like Cashius Howell, Joshua Josephs or R Mason Thomas in round 1 and we are set on the Dline. I'd even go so far to invest in a top free agent like Devonte Wyatt.

DE- Nick Bosa / Bryce Huff / Sam Okuayinonu
DT- Devonte Wyatt / CJ West
DT- Alfred Collins / Zane Durant
DE- Mykel Williams / Cash Howell / Keion White

That DLine would solve alot of our defenses problems.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
No argument from me with this. I think early on, they get locked into these traits and the traits dictate where they draft these guys. It's always a nice skillset, but usually does not work out. I love West and Collins, but who else is there? Anderson can be a run stuffer, but he's a bubble guy. If we are going to get to the point where we overwhelm guys with our front four, a pass rushing DT is needed.

The point was to have Williams get pushed inside on those passing downs. Even white is more of an interior rusher. We still need a legit edge across from Bosa and a guy that can still do work when/if Bosa isn't on the field.

Here's my problem with John Lynch. While he acknowledges other teams draft Best Player Available, he does not. If he's decided he's going to draft "x" position with his 3rd round pick, he will do that, even with his own analysis he knows damn well several other players at different positions are better football players. Don't Do That. What if that position in the draft is weak, or more likely, all the good ones are already gone by this round. This is why we don't have a better team than we do.

The draft is where you build talent. After that, you look to fill holes. I will say I do subscribe to the philosophy of drafting your big athletic guys in the top rounds, because they don't make too many of them. Here's your OT's and DL men. More normally sized big guys like DB's, RB's, WR's etc you have a ton to choose from, and the challenge is just to identify the gems, because they are there.

I will also allow draftifng quarterbacks high is justified because quick headwork at the NFL level is also so rare, although judging that out of college is a crap shoot at best. Just don't draft Trey Lance because he can run. It's a headwork position. It might be better to draft or bring in the position more often and throw out the chaff, because it will always be a somewhat trial and error position.

Originally posted by BOI49er:
Here's my problem with John Lynch. While he acknowledges other teams draft Best Player Available, he does not. If he's decided he's going to draft "x" position with his 3rd round pick, he will do that, even with his own analysis he knows damn well several other players at different positions are better football players. Don't Do That. What if that position in the draft is weak, or more likely, all the good ones are already gone by this round. This is why we don't have a better team than we do.

The draft is where you build talent. After that, you look to fill holes. I will say I do subscribe to the philosophy of drafting your big athletic guys in the top rounds, because they don't make too many of them. Here's your OT's and DL men. More normally sized big guys like DB's, RB's, WR's etc you have a ton to choose from, and the challenge is just to identify the gems, because they are there.

I will also allow draftifng quarterbacks high is justified because quick headwork at the NFL level is also so rare, although judging that out of college is a crap shoot at best. Just don't draft Trey Lance because he can run. It's a headwork position. It might be better to draft or bring in the position more often and throw out the chaff, because it will always be a somewhat trial and error position.

John and Kyle draft guys that fit their system and intended style of play. The rest of the league does what you suggest and we make a killing rehabilitating those guys after other teams misuse them for years and drive their value down.

They like to buy low and sell high.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
My point was giving up a 3rd for Phillips would have been a solid move, give what they covet and need vs how they've used those 3rd rd picks over the corse of the past 5 yrs.

I don't think they need to spend a top 64 pick on IDL.

is what it is now.

I'd have been fine with Phillips for a 3rd but it is a little steep considering we probably wouldn't have resigned him.

Although given our bad pass rush id have accepted just about anyone.

Originally posted by frenchmov:
I'd have been fine with Phillips for a 3rd but it is a little steep considering we probably wouldn't have resigned him.

Although given our bad pass rush id have accepted just about anyone.

Why do we assume we wouldn't resign him? And if they didn't there would be a comp pick coming back the following year.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

For the first time, league sources believe the Raiders would be open to moving Maxx Crosby this offseason.

The relationship between the two sides remains strained after the five-time Pro Bowler was shut down for the season: https://t.co/umvZZLtpZF pic.twitter.com/q9COsQwW22

— Dianna Russini (@DMRussini) January 3, 2026

s**t, I would push for it, but the haul required to acquire this dude is probably going to be too big ie multiple first round picks and more. Not sure the Niners can afford to do that given that they badly need those picks to continue building out the roster.

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
My point was giving up a 3rd for Phillips would have been a solid move, give what they covet and need vs how they've used those 3rd rd picks over the corse of the past 5 yrs.

I don't think they need to spend a top 64 pick on IDL.

is what it is now.

I'd have been fine with Phillips for a 3rd but it is a little steep considering we probably wouldn't have resigned him.

Although given our bad pass rush id have accepted just about anyone.

Would he be effective with this group of DBs? I don't know. I still think they get confused too often on zone coverage and leave guys wide open. Maybe it's just because they're a young group and still learning to play as a unit.

Originally posted by Heroism:
s**t, I would push for it, but the haul required to acquire this dude is probably going to be too big ie multiple first round picks and more. Not sure the Niners can afford to do that given that they badly need those picks to continue building out the roster.

Raiders are never dealing with us. Mack showed it for all to see.

Let someone else give 2 firsts for Crosby or whatever they want.