John Lynch - 49ers GM

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Bingo, I don't care who is in the secondary you can't cover all game with zero pressure on the QB.

Yet the Rams have studs all over the place on the d line and yet their secondary can't stop Carolina or Atlanta.

No reason why you can't have an awesome pass rush and an awesome secondary. Had 10 years of drafts and have hit on two impact dbs of note with the bargain basement strategy, one of whom still can't cover at a high level in Denver.

Don't care how many pass rushers you get you won't turn Brown and Mustapha into good cover guys. Plus both aren't consistent tacklers to boot.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Bingo, I don't care who is in the secondary you can't cover all game with zero pressure on the QB.

Yet the Rams have studs all over the place on the d line and yet their secondary can't stop Carolina or Atlanta.

No reason why you can't have an awesome pass rush and an awesome secondary. Had 10 years of drafts and have hit on two impact dbs of note with the bargain basement strategy, one of whom still can't cover at a high level in Denver.

And still the Rams have one of the better defense in the league.

This system depends wayyy more on their front 4 than they do in the secondary. It's how this defense is built.

also it's not like they've invested nothing in Cb. Lenior is highly paid, green was a 2nd rd pick, paid both wards at one point, spent a 3rd on Stout.

Imo it's easier to find scheme fit guys in the secondary than it is to find legit edge rushers. Add my main point was safety simply isn't an impact position.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Don't care how many pass rushers you get you won't turn Brown and Mustapha into good cover guys. Plus both aren't consistent tacklers to boot.

And you can pay mid range money for a safety all the time in FA. You can find good safeties in day 2/3 of drafts all the time …good edge rushers cost more and usually require higher end picks.

a good pass rush covers up those "poor" coverages for a safety vs having awesome safeties in coverage with bad pass rush.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
And you can pay mid range money for a safety all the time in FA. You can find good safeties in day 2/3 of drafts all the time …good edge rushers cost more and usually require higher end picks.

a good pass rush covers up those "poor" coverages for a safety vs having awesome safeties in coverage with bad pass rush.

Yet the 9ers have found one in 9 years of drafting. Only team in the league that hasn't used higher than 64 on a db in 9 years. It clearly shows IMO.

Got more out of trading late rounders for Key and Omenihu then they have gotten from all their db picks minus Hufanga and Lenoir. Hell White has been more impactful than our safeties.

Maybe other teams can find impact dbs later. 9ers haven't shown that ability in any consistent way. Maybe Sigle develops into something, he's the best shot.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Yet the 9ers have found one in 9 years of drafting. Only team in the league that hasn't used higher than 64 on a db in 9 years. It clearly shows IMO.

Got more out of trading late rounders for Key and Omenihu then they have gotten from all their db picks minus Hufanga and Lenoir. Hell White has been more impactful than our safeties.

Maybe other teams can find impact dbs later. 9ers haven't shown that ability in any consistent way. Maybe Sigle develops into something, he's the best shot.

And yet when they have a healthy DL they're consistently a top defense in this league.

we picked up Gibson off the street and he played well all the same at S.

if I told you you could have Hamilton or Garrett who would you take? It's literally not close. An edge rusher has more impact down to down than safety. Just the truth of the positions.

It is by far harder to find a really good EDGE than S. It cost more and usually requires higher draft capital. Supply and demand

If I'm on the clock and a good edge rusher and good safety are siting there I'm taking EDGE and I'll bet money most GMs would say the same. That's my point.

I never said don't invest in the position. I'm not investing in the position at the expense of downgrading my ability to improve our pass rush off the edge.

also you keep talking about DBs and I'm mainly talking about S

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Don't care how many pass rushers you get you won't turn Brown and Mustapha into good cover guys. Plus both aren't consistent tacklers to boot.

And you can pay mid range money for a safety all the time in FA. You can find good safeties in day 2/3 of drafts all the time …good edge rushers cost more and usually require higher end picks.

a good pass rush covers up those "poor" coverages for a safety vs having awesome safeties in coverage with bad pass rush.

A great safety can also cover up poor coverage from the cornerbacks, especially on the deep passes.
It's painfully obvious we need to upgrade our pass rush, It has been pathetic this year. Even the best pass rushing teams aren't gonna get there all the time so you better have someone who can cover back there.

Originally posted by Oilcan:
A great safety can also cover up poor coverage from the cornerbacks, especially on the deep passes.
It's painfully obvious we need to upgrade our pass rush, It has been pathetic this year. Even the best pass rushing teams aren't gonna get there all the time so you better have someone who can cover back there.

Yeah I agree, I'm not against upgrading at safety. I'm saying there's a hierarchy among position groups and pass rusher is much much higher.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

The #Eagles defense has allowed 14.5 PPG since Jaelan Phillips arrived (Week 10).

Best in the #NFL.

— Jeff Kerr (@JeffKerrPHL) December 29, 2025

you cant be serious thinking that would make the difference here

No but I think some juice in the pass rush would help. We are dead last in pass rush. We need some kinda help.

Do you believe Jaelan Phillips was the juice?

More than Clelin Farrel or whomever we would draft in the 3rd

Their stats are not far off. The difference is Philly has players all over that D so adding another guy is like giving a chess player 3 knights to work with. Whatever impact you think Phillips has wouldn't be anywhere near the same level here because Phillips by himself is not a difference maker and we don't have any difference makers. Phillips on a defense with Bosa, Warner, and Williams would move the needle. Phillips on this defense would not. Let's not act like Phillips is Fred Dean or Charles Haley over there.

I disagree with your opinion.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Their stats are not far off. The difference is Philly has players all over that D so adding another guy is like giving a chess player 3 knights to work with. Whatever impact you think Phillips has wouldn't be anywhere near the same level here because Phillips by himself is not a difference maker and we don't have any difference makers. Phillips on a defense with Bosa, Warner, and Williams would move the needle. Phillips on this defense would not. Let's not act like Phillips is Fred Dean or Charles Haley over there.

I disagree with he wouldn't be a difference maker. I don't think anyone was pretending he was Dean or Haley either.

Phillips here would have absolutely made a difference on the leagues worst DL. Is what it is, lynch didn't pull the trigger and we can't sniff a sack.

Let's define difference maker by looking at this in the context of our season with Bosa and without.

The team had 5 sacks in our 3 games with him. This isn't by any means great, but it's better than the pace we've been on. It would be harder to find data on hits and pressures, but we saw the games- it was there. After him, we have sunken to being the worst (or nearly the worst) pass rushing team in the league. We are talking about losing Nick Bosa, who seemed to be on his way to a Pro Bowl worthy season. How is the addition of Jaelan Phillips going to replace that? Now would he be better than what we have? Absolutely. But I can't even seeing the pass rush being middle of the pack by adding him and we would've had to have given up a 3rd round pick for a guy we probably would not be resigning. Furthermore looking at what he's had done, his impact would be greater on the Eagles given that he has better defenders around him. In this team, he could easily be taken out of the game because there aren't really any other threats. Phillips addition would mean we are probably what, 26th instead of 32nd? We are going to give up a 3rd round of pick for that impact?

Originally posted by NYniner85:
And yet when they have a healthy DL they're consistently a top defense in this league.

we picked up Gibson off the street and he played well all the same at S.

if I told you you could have Hamilton or Garrett who would you take? It's literally not close. An edge rusher has more impact down to down than safety. Just the truth of the positions.

It is by far harder to find a really good EDGE than S. It cost more and usually requires higher draft capital. Supply and demand

If I'm on the clock and a good edge rusher and good safety are siting there I'm taking EDGE and I'll bet money most GMs would say the same. That's my point.

I never said don't invest in the position. I'm not investing in the position at the expense of downgrading my ability to improve our pass rush off the edge.

also you keep talking about DBs and I'm mainly talking about S

Nick Bosa significantly improves the pass rush off the edge, Him on one edge also improves what Huff can do on the other. Add in a FA like Levi Onzuwurike or make an offer for Buckner and you have improved the d line significantly.

No amount of pass rush will help our current starters IMO. Glaring need. Don't want to "fix" it with a 4th round comp pick.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Don't care how many pass rushers you get you won't turn Brown and Mustapha into good cover guys. Plus both aren't consistent tacklers to boot.

That was my point earlier. Both of those guys were selected for their ability to hit. They could be better but both have made some critical tackles in recent games.

Mustapha has shown growth in his coverage ability but injuries have slowed his overall development. He needs to be more measured in his approach to the ball carrier. Brown is actually a very good tackler. He rates as "above average" in run defense. His problem is pass coverage.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Let's define difference maker by looking at this in the context of our season with Bosa and without.

The team had 5 sacks in our 3 games with him. This isn't by any means great, but it's better than the pace we've been on. It would be harder to find data on hits and pressures, but we saw the games- it was there. After him, we have sunken to being the worst (or nearly the worst) pass rushing team in the league. We are talking about losing Nick Bosa, who seemed to be on his way to a Pro Bowl worthy season. How is the addition of Jaelan Phillips going to replace that? Now would he be better than what we have? Absolutely. But I can't even seeing the pass rush being middle of the pack by adding him and we would've had to have given up a 3rd round pick for a guy we probably would not be resigning. Furthermore looking at what he's had done, his impact would be greater on the Eagles given that he has better defenders around him. In this team, he could easily be taken out of the game because there aren't really any other threats. Phillips addition would mean we are probably what, 26th instead of 32nd? We are going to give up a 3rd round of pick for that impact?

Who said Phillips was replacing Bosa? They weren't giving up a 1st rd pick and paying him $30M per like Bosa. Nick is a DPOY.

this is about being a difference maker on this roster currently, which imo he would have done that. Phillips is a quality edge rusher, he was in college and was a 1st rd pick for a reason.

Cool double Phillips so Huff gets more one on ones. That's still being a difference maker. We need a guy that could f**k up plays and not allow the QB to stand back there all day.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I disagree with he wouldn't be a difference maker. I don't think anyone was pretending he was Dean or Haley either.

Phillips here would have absolutely made a difference on the leagues worst DL. Is what it is, lynch didn't pull the trigger and we can't sniff a sack.

I agree. And it's not like our 3rd round picks have helped us at all.

Tthat's like thinking the Lions shouldn't have drafted Calvin Johnson because of previous failures at receiver.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Let's define difference maker by looking at this in the context of our season with Bosa and without.

The team had 5 sacks in our 3 games with him. This isn't by any means great, but it's better than the pace we've been on. It would be harder to find data on hits and pressures, but we saw the games- it was there. After him, we have sunken to being the worst (or nearly the worst) pass rushing team in the league. We are talking about losing Nick Bosa, who seemed to be on his way to a Pro Bowl worthy season. How is the addition of Jaelan Phillips going to replace that? Now would he be better than what we have? Absolutely. But I can't even seeing the pass rush being middle of the pack by adding him and we would've had to have given up a 3rd round pick for a guy we probably would not be resigning. Furthermore looking at what he's had done, his impact would be greater on the Eagles given that he has better defenders around him. In this team, he could easily be taken out of the game because there aren't really any other threats. Phillips addition would mean we are probably what, 26th instead of 32nd? We are going to give up a 3rd round of pick for that impact?

Who said Phillips was replacing Bosa? They weren't giving up a 1st rd pick and paying him $30M per like Bosa. Nick is a DPOY.

this is about being a difference maker on this roster currently, which imo he would have done that. Phillips is a quality edge rusher, he was in college and was a 1st rd pick for a reason.

Cool double Phillips so Huff gets more one on ones. That's still being a difference maker. We need a guy that could f**k up plays and not allow the QB to stand back there all day.

And we move from 32nd to 26th in pass rushing. He is a quality edge rusher. Never said he wasn't. But the price is high for a guy we are not keeping longterm. But FWIW , I think if they knew this team could make a deep playoff run, they would've made the trade.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
And we move from 32nd to 26th in pass rushing. He is a quality edge rusher. Never said he wasn't. But the price is high for a guy we are not keeping longterm. But FWIW , I think if they knew this team could make a deep playoff run, they would've made the trade.

you have no clue what we move up to in pass rushing…secondly maybe that's all they need to win it all. Timely pressure and a little bit of help.

a 3rd rd pick isn't high for a young 1st rd player that doesn't suck.

10 3rd rd picks 5 years. 6 of them aren't even on the team anymore and one can't even sniff the field this yr…even with constant injuries to LBer. My god they signed a dude off the street and played him over Martin.

wasting picks on RBs and kickers in the 3rd and we want to be judgey about Phillips lol?