John Lynch - 49ers GM

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by captveg:
BTW, looking just at PFF, they gave this draft a D, but they gave both the 2021 and 2022 drafts - ones that are EVISCERATED constantly on this forum lately - each a B grade.

So, yeah, the day after grades mean jack.

PFF is awful for college stuff.

People seem high on the players, not the draft strategy.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by maxsmart:

Originally posted by ninersrule4:
Getting destroyed in the draft grades yikes.

I remember the 1986 draft was panned by the media. Got a D grade by many pundits.
They didn't like it because Walsh traded down many times and picked many players unknown to the media
Turned out it was the greatest draft in history.

Rd 2 Larry Roberts
Rd 3 Tom Rathman
Rd 3 Tim McKyer
Rd 3 John Taylor
Rd 4 Charles Haley HOF
Rd 4 Steve Wallace
Rd 4 Kevin f*gan
Rd 5 Pat Miller
Rd 6 Don Griffin

Lynch is no Walsh, McVay

Sseriously.... This maybe the last year of this regime if they sign Brock and he's injured. I like the current ShanaLynch team and love adding Saleh but they just don't Learn what happens when you don't address the oline. The C is crap their RT is ok and they really don't have a LG now.

We don't know yet but this maybe another s**t show in 2025.

Originally posted by jcs:
Lynch is no Walsh, McVay

Originally posted by bassmanr:
Sseriously.... This maybe the last year of this regime if they sign Brock and he's injured. I like the current ShanaLynch team and love adding Saleh but they just don't Learn what happens when you don't address the oline. The C is crap their RT is ok and they really don't have a LG now.

We don't know yet but this maybe another s**t show in 2025.

It's the same line as we had last year and Brock didn't get hurt and Shanahan schemed up the 4th most yards in the league.

Oh and that was without Trent Williams, Banks, CMC, Aiuyk and Pearsall for most of the year.

Originally posted by bassmanr:
Sseriously.... This maybe the last year of this regime if they sign Brock and he's injured. I like the current ShanaLynch team and love adding Saleh but they just don't Learn what happens when you don't address the oline. The C is crap their RT is ok and they really don't have a LG now.

We don't know yet but this maybe another s**t show in 2025.

The Center is not crap. He would start on 15 other NFL teams. So while we should get better play in 2025 than last year, Brendel is not crap.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by bassmanr:
Sseriously.... This maybe the last year of this regime if they sign Brock and he's injured. I like the current ShanaLynch team and love adding Saleh but they just don't Learn what happens when you don't address the oline. The C is crap their RT is ok and they really don't have a LG now.

We don't know yet but this maybe another s**t show in 2025.

It's the same line as we had last year and Brock didn't get hurt and Shanahan schemed up the 4th most yards in the league.

Oh and that was without Trent Williams, Banks, CMC, Aiuyk and Pearsall for most of the year.

And that was all Purdy....We were not a good team had some moments but not good. The line is not good and will haunt us again this year.

Critical thinking 🤔 so won't agree with the scheme idea that's what ShanaLynch believes and it costs us every year.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by bassmanr:
Sseriously.... This maybe the last year of this regime if they sign Brock and he's injured. I like the current ShanaLynch team and love adding Saleh but they just don't Learn what happens when you don't address the oline. The C is crap their RT is ok and they really don't have a LG now.

We don't know yet but this maybe another s**t show in 2025.

The Center is not crap. He would start on 15 other NFL teams. So while we should get better play in 2025 than last year, Brendel is not crap.

Which ones lol.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by bassmanr:
Sseriously.... This maybe the last year of this regime if they sign Brock and he's injured. I like the current ShanaLynch team and love adding Saleh but they just don't Learn what happens when you don't address the oline. The C is crap their RT is ok and they really don't have a LG now.

We don't know yet but this maybe another s**t show in 2025.

The Center is not crap. He would start on 15 other NFL teams. So while we should get better play in 2025 than last year, Brendel is not crap.

I don't know man, Brendel was pretty brutal last year. My only hope was that he was dealing with something(Feleciano claimed that on Twitter after the season) and him getting healthy gives us a better result on the field. I'd love to see someone beat him out though.

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Originally posted by bassmanr:
Sseriously.... This maybe the last year of this regime if they sign Brock and he's injured. I like the current ShanaLynch team and love adding Saleh but they just don't Learn what happens when you don't address the oline. The C is crap their RT is ok and they really don't have a LG now.

We don't know yet but this maybe another s**t show in 2025.

Getting tired of some of you who constantly say the oline is crap because we don't have a pro bowler at every position. You guys have no clue how bad other teams olines are. Our oline is so bad our backup swing tackle got PAID during the free agency. Our oline is so bad our LG that none of us wanted got PAID during free agency. Let that sink in. Our castoffs are signing huge deals.

I did a quick google search and didn't find one publication that thought our oline sucked. Not great but we are in the middle of the pack. Can we get better on the offensive line? Hell yeah but lets stop acting like it was a bigger need then the dline was.

Has our oline ranked 15
https://www.profootballnetwork.com/best-offensive-lines-nfl-rankings/

Has our oline ranked 11
https://www.footballguys.com/article/offensive-line-rankings

Has our oline ranked 13
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-final-offensive-line-rankings-2024#SF

Has our line ranked 16
https://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/analysis/best-nfl-offensive-line-rankings/

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Would feel a lot better about this year if we were able to bring in some vets on one year deals.

Scherff, Samuel, Simmons, Blackmon, Gilmore or Moseley.

s**t I thought they signed Simmons!!!

Originally posted by ninersrule4:
Getting destroyed in the draft grades yikes.

Let it be our version of Seattle's 2012 draft.

Originally posted by miked1978:
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Originally posted by bassmanr:
Sseriously.... This maybe the last year of this regime if they sign Brock and he's injured. I like the current ShanaLynch team and love adding Saleh but they just don't Learn what happens when you don't address the oline. The C is crap their RT is ok and they really don't have a LG now.

We don't know yet but this maybe another s**t show in 2025.

Getting tired of some of you who constantly say the oline is crap because we don't have a pro bowler at every position. You guys have no clue how bad other teams olines are. Our oline is so bad our backup swing tackle got PAID during the free agency. Our oline is so bad our LG that none of us wanted got PAID during free agency. Let that sink in. Our castoffs are signing huge deals.

I did a quick google search and didn't find one publication that thought our oline sucked. Not great but we are in the middle of the pack. Can we get better on the offensive line? Hell yeah but lets stop acting like it was a bigger need then the dline was.

Has our oline ranked 15
https://www.profootballnetwork.com/best-offensive-lines-nfl-rankings/

Has our oline ranked 11
https://www.footballguys.com/article/offensive-line-rankings

Has our oline ranked 13
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-final-offensive-line-rankings-2024#SF

Has our line ranked 16
https://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/analysis/best-nfl-offensive-line-rankings/

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I don't like the ranking systems they use. Most of the stats are taken from a whole season that has a lot of garbage time and really weak opponents. The center is horrible maybe he was injured maybe he wasn't. McKivitz was maybe average and Banks is gone. Maybe with a healthy TW we could be better on the left Tackle position but he's older and we lost our swing tackle.

Sorry but the so called rating systems are crap. Just watch our games. Purdy is running for his life which also probably helps the rankings.

By the way the rankings systems also have us with a horrible draft, which we have no idea what this class will bring.

I know this site can have homerism but I'm sick of some people saying it's OK not to invest in the OL.

Sorry for the rant but I've been pounding the keyboard for 3 years with no change. It takes offensive lineman at least two years to develope and that's if their good.

Originally posted by 9NERNATE:
Would feel a lot better about this year if we were able to bring in some vets on one year deals.

Scherff, Samuel, Simmons, Blackmon, Gilmore or Moseley.

I have a feeling you and most of us will feel a lot better before the regular season, the chances of adding a couple of solid vets seem likely

Originally posted by Kolohe:
s**t I thought they signed Simmons!!!

LOL me too... if Simmons wants to come, the deal has a good chance of getting done, they liked him last year, but he ended in Atlanta

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by miked1978:
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Originally posted by bassmanr:
Sseriously.... This maybe the last year of this regime if they sign Brock and he's injured. I like the current ShanaLynch team and love adding Saleh but they just don't Learn what happens when you don't address the oline. The C is crap their RT is ok and they really don't have a LG now.

We don't know yet but this maybe another s**t show in 2025.

Getting tired of some of you who constantly say the oline is crap because we don't have a pro bowler at every position. You guys have no clue how bad other teams olines are. Our oline is so bad our backup swing tackle got PAID during the free agency. Our oline is so bad our LG that none of us wanted got PAID during free agency. Let that sink in. Our castoffs are signing huge deals.

I did a quick google search and didn't find one publication that thought our oline sucked. Not great but we are in the middle of the pack. Can we get better on the offensive line? Hell yeah but lets stop acting like it was a bigger need then the dline was.

Has our oline ranked 15
https://www.profootballnetwork.com/best-offensive-lines-nfl-rankings/

Has our oline ranked 11
https://www.footballguys.com/article/offensive-line-rankings

Has our oline ranked 13
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-final-offensive-line-rankings-2024#SF

Has our line ranked 16
https://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/analysis/best-nfl-offensive-line-rankings/

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I don't like the ranking systems they use. Most of the stats are taken from a whole season that has a lot of garbage time and really weak opponents. The center is horrible maybe he was injured maybe he wasn't. McKivitz was maybe average and Banks is gone. Maybe with a healthy TW we could be better on the left Tackle position but he's older and we lost our swing tackle.

Sorry but the so called rating systems are crap. Just watch our games. Purdy is running for his life which also probably helps the rankings.

By the way the rankings systems also have us with a horrible draft, which we have no idea what this class will bring.

I know this site can have homerism but I'm sick of some people saying it's OK not to invest in the OL.

Sorry for the rant but I've been pounding the keyboard for 3 years with no change. It takes offensive lineman at least two years to develope and that's if their good.

This is truth. NYNiner + mike are wrong to quote the stats. Our Pass Blocking is flat out dangerous for our QB who already has had surgery on his throwing elbow. Purdy is an elite QB in escapability, which mitigates the damage on a game by game basis.

But I can't recall playing any other team on the schedule that has had as many lineman plowed on their ass as we have. Does anyone remember even a couple times? I missed them. Yet this is not a rare event for Brendel, McKivitz and Buford (2023).

We are the lightest offensive line in the league due to a philosophical commitment to OZ game plan which is not relevant anymore. We need to adjust. Maybe the ttt is high because brock is running for his life too many times. The other numbers are mediocre at best and must be improved even if they are not "the worst in the league". Is that really an argument? # 17 isn't the worst, so we can neglect the oline for another year? For a kick returner and 5th string QB we likely could have gotten udfa?

Even if there are behind the scenes factors which justify giving Brendel/McKivitz de facto starting roles into training camp, we still need to evealuate fresh talent and plan accordingly. Also, maybe add developmental asst coach help to forrestor and invent better pass pro schemes, coach up better pass pro technique. I don't see any of these other actions being taken either.

You can't give a team s**tty draft grades for players they didn't take because you have to grade just the pick. But this year feels like an exception to that rule for us.