John Lynch - 49ers GM

Originally posted by bassmanr:
Sseriously.... This maybe the last year of this regime if they sign Brock and he's injured. I like the current ShanaLynch team and love adding Saleh but they just don't Learn what happens when you don't address the oline. The C is crap their RT is ok and they really don't have a LG now.

We don't know yet but this maybe another s**t show in 2025.

The show must go on, "are you not entertained?!"

Originally posted by bassmanr:
I don't like the ranking systems they use. Most of the stats are taken from a whole season that has a lot of garbage time and really weak opponents. The center is horrible maybe he was injured maybe he wasn't. McKivitz was maybe average and Banks is gone. Maybe with a healthy TW we could be better on the left Tackle position but he's older and we lost our swing tackle.

Sorry but the so called rating systems are crap. Just watch our games. Purdy is running for his life which also probably helps the rankings.

By the way the rankings systems also have us with a horrible draft, which we have no idea what this class will bring.

I know this site can have homerism but I'm sick of some people saying it's OK not to invest in the OL.

Sorry for the rant but I've been pounding the keyboard for 3 years with no change. It takes offensive lineman at least two years to develope and that's if their good.

McKivitz was arguably our 3rd and maybe even 2nd best OLman last year. Big jump in play from the year prior if he makes a similar step up this year RT will be solid. It may not be Lane Johnson level but definitely more than serviceable.

Banks and Brendel imo were both terrible last year. Both had injuries they were playing through but still replacing Banks is not a huge undertaking. Bartch and Burford both looked better in there with him out and they didn't have Trent Williams playing next to them.

Brendel is the biggest question mark because of how we run our offense. I REALLY hope Kyle gives Brock more control on the line cuz right now I don't think the issue is as much the talent of our players but that other teams are starting to get a beat on our protection rules and if we don't give Brock a chance to put the protection in his hands we're going to leave ourselves open to key moment pressure/sacks and bad plays.

If Jalen Hurts can adjust his protection with the guys he has and even change routes for his WRs there is absolutely no reason why Brock shouldn't be allowed to do the same.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by bassmanr:
I don't like the ranking systems they use. Most of the stats are taken from a whole season that has a lot of garbage time and really weak opponents. The center is horrible maybe he was injured maybe he wasn't. McKivitz was maybe average and Banks is gone. Maybe with a healthy TW we could be better on the left Tackle position but he's older and we lost our swing tackle.

Sorry but the so called rating systems are crap. Just watch our games. Purdy is running for his life which also probably helps the rankings.

By the way the rankings systems also have us with a horrible draft, which we have no idea what this class will bring.

I know this site can have homerism but I'm sick of some people saying it's OK not to invest in the OL.

Sorry for the rant but I've been pounding the keyboard for 3 years with no change. It takes offensive lineman at least two years to develope and that's if their good.

McKivitz was arguably our 3rd and maybe even 2nd best OLman last year. Big jump in play from the year prior if he makes a similar step up this year RT will be solid. It may not be Lane Johnson level but definitely more than serviceable.

Banks and Brendel imo were both terrible last year. Both had injuries they were playing through but still replacing Banks is not a huge undertaking. Bartch and Burford both looked better in there with him out and they didn't have Trent Williams playing next to them.

Brendel is the biggest question mark because of how we run our offense. I REALLY hope Kyle gives Brock more control on the line cuz right now I don't think the issue is as much the talent of our players but that other teams are starting to get a beat on our protection rules and if we don't give Brock a chance to put the protection in his hands we're going to leave ourselves open to key moment pressure/sacks and bad plays.

If Jalen Hurts can adjust his protection with the guys he has and even change routes for his WRs there is absolutely no reason why Brock shouldn't be allowed to do the same.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by bassmanr:
I don't like the ranking systems they use. Most of the stats are taken from a whole season that has a lot of garbage time and really weak opponents. The center is horrible maybe he was injured maybe he wasn't. McKivitz was maybe average and Banks is gone. Maybe with a healthy TW we could be better on the left Tackle position but he's older and we lost our swing tackle.

Sorry but the so called rating systems are crap. Just watch our games. Purdy is running for his life which also probably helps the rankings.

By the way the rankings systems also have us with a horrible draft, which we have no idea what this class will bring.

I know this site can have homerism but I'm sick of some people saying it's OK not to invest in the OL.

Sorry for the rant but I've been pounding the keyboard for 3 years with no change. It takes offensive lineman at least two years to develope and that's if their good.

McKivitz was arguably our 3rd and maybe even 2nd best OLman last year. Big jump in play from the year prior if he makes a similar step up this year RT will be solid. It may not be Lane Johnson level but definitely more than serviceable.

Banks and Brendel imo were both terrible last year. Both had injuries they were playing through but still replacing Banks is not a huge undertaking. Bartch and Burford both looked better in there with him out and they didn't have Trent Williams playing next to them.

Brendel is the biggest question mark because of how we run our offense. I REALLY hope Kyle gives Brock more control on the line cuz right now I don't think the issue is as much the talent of our players but that other teams are starting to get a beat on our protection rules and if we don't give Brock a chance to put the protection in his hands we're going to leave ourselves open to key moment pressure/sacks and bad plays.

If Jalen Hurts can adjust his protection with the guys he has and even change routes for his WRs there is absolutely no reason why Brock shouldn't be allowed to do the same.

I agree it's why I said McKivitz is ok and played better last year. Yes he's not top RT but serviceable. Yes Brendal is a larger? I'm hoping they do something to address that issue. We also don't have Moore to step in if TW goes down. We're very thin at tackle and we should have done something in the 3rd. I like our draft picks but think we should have done something earlier. I hope we do something when cut day comes after June 1st.

I think Brock had proven he can call at the line so yes maybe that will help in that case.

My expectations are not for next year but in 2026. We should be in contention again with Salah running the D. The rest of the team should be better by then.

Originally posted by pillageDatazz:

Originally posted by bassmanr:
Sseriously.... This maybe the last year of this regime if they sign Brock and he's injured. I like the current ShanaLynch team and love adding Saleh but they just don't Learn what happens when you don't address the oline. The C is crap their RT is ok and they really don't have a LG now.

We don't know yet but this maybe another s**t show in 2025.

The show must go on, "are you not entertained?!"

Yes sir

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by miked1978:
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Originally posted by bassmanr:
Sseriously.... This maybe the last year of this regime if they sign Brock and he's injured. I like the current ShanaLynch team and love adding Saleh but they just don't Learn what happens when you don't address the oline. The C is crap their RT is ok and they really don't have a LG now.

We don't know yet but this maybe another s**t show in 2025.

Getting tired of some of you who constantly say the oline is crap because we don't have a pro bowler at every position. You guys have no clue how bad other teams olines are. Our oline is so bad our backup swing tackle got PAID during the free agency. Our oline is so bad our LG that none of us wanted got PAID during free agency. Let that sink in. Our castoffs are signing huge deals.

I did a quick google search and didn't find one publication that thought our oline sucked. Not great but we are in the middle of the pack. Can we get better on the offensive line? Hell yeah but lets stop acting like it was a bigger need then the dline was.

Has our oline ranked 15
https://www.profootballnetwork.com/best-offensive-lines-nfl-rankings/

Has our oline ranked 11
https://www.footballguys.com/article/offensive-line-rankings

Has our oline ranked 13
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-final-offensive-line-rankings-2024#SF

Has our line ranked 16
https://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/analysis/best-nfl-offensive-line-rankings/

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I don't like the ranking systems they use. Most of the stats are taken from a whole season that has a lot of garbage time and really weak opponents. The center is horrible maybe he was injured maybe he wasn't. McKivitz was maybe average and Banks is gone. Maybe with a healthy TW we could be better on the left Tackle position but he's older and we lost our swing tackle.

Sorry but the so called rating systems are crap. Just watch our games. Purdy is running for his life which also probably helps the rankings.

By the way the rankings systems also have us with a horrible draft, which we have no idea what this class will bring.

I know this site can have homerism but I'm sick of some people saying it's OK not to invest in the OL.

Sorry for the rant but I've been pounding the keyboard for 3 years with no change. It takes offensive lineman at least two years to develope and that's if their good.

This is truth. NYNiner + mike are wrong to quote the stats. Our Pass Blocking is flat out dangerous for our QB who already has had surgery on his throwing elbow. Purdy is an elite QB in escapability, which mitigates the damage on a game by game basis.

But I can't recall playing any other team on the schedule that has had as many lineman plowed on their ass as we have. Does anyone remember even a couple times? I missed them. Yet this is not a rare event for Brendel, McKivitz and Buford (2023).

We are the lightest offensive line in the league due to a philosophical commitment to OZ game plan which is not relevant anymore. We need to adjust. Maybe the ttt is high because brock is running for his life too many times. The other numbers are mediocre at best and must be improved even if they are not "the worst in the league". Is that really an argument? # 17 isn't the worst, so we can neglect the oline for another year? For a kick returner and 5th string QB we likely could have gotten udfa?

Even if there are behind the scenes factors which justify giving Brendel/McKivitz de facto starting roles into training camp, we still need to evealuate fresh talent and plan accordingly. Also, maybe add developmental asst coach help to forrestor and invent better pass pro schemes, coach up better pass pro technique. I don't see any of these other actions being taken either.

You can't give a team s**tty draft grades for players they didn't take because you have to grade just the pick. But this year feels like an exception to that rule for us.

Amen my brother could not have said it better 🙏 Hope they learn this year but I've said that 3 years in a row.

Kittle extended!!!

Originally posted by bassmanr:
I don't like the ranking systems they use. Most of the stats are taken from a whole season that has a lot of garbage time and really weak opponents. The center is horrible maybe he was injured maybe he wasn't. McKivitz was maybe average and Banks is gone. Maybe with a healthy TW we could be better on the left Tackle position but he's older and we lost our swing tackle.

Sorry but the so called rating systems are crap. Just watch our games. Purdy is running for his life which also probably helps the rankings.

By the way the rankings systems also have us with a horrible draft, which we have no idea what this class will bring.

I know this site can have homerism but I'm sick of some people saying it's OK not to invest in the OL.

Sorry for the rant but I've been pounding the keyboard for 3 years with no change. It takes offensive lineman at least two years to develope and that's if their good.

Yes the 49ers had a lot of garbage time last year

Nobody likes the rating systems if it proves their point wrong. Especially 5 of them.

But the point is the oline issues are league wide and the 49ers are right in the middle.

actually there was a statistic floating around a couple months ago showing olinemen don't peak until well into their late 20s. Developing your backups would be ideal or signing a guy coming off his rookie contract would be ideal. Drafting 4 olinemen is probably not ideal if your return isn't until 4-5 years down the road.

Originally posted by bassmanr:
I don't like the ranking systems they use.

"Those numbers don't agree with my feelings so they are wrong"

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by bassmanr:
I don't like the ranking systems they use.

"Those numbers don't agree with my feelings so they are wrong"

Heres the explanation of the PFF offensive line rating system:

https://www.pff.com/news/pro-how-we-grade-offensive-and-defensive-linemen
Seems there's a lot of feels in there. And again it doesn't really matter if everybody else has stinky pass Pro offensive lines too we're just talking about our stinky pass Pro offensive line. Maybe the whole league should draft 80% picks on the offensive line for the next 3 years. Maybe that's a real thing. Who knows.

Can the ratings hide a really bad player or two? A chain is as strong as the weakest link. Do the stats show that Brock Purdy neutralizes an abnormally high percentage of o-line fails? How is that factored in the stats?

Anyway the online doesn't really pass the eyeball test. They get pushed around because they're too light, intentionally so, and this has bad implications for pass pro. Don't need a complicated rating system to see that game in game out. And Purdy going to pay the price if we don't make a change. Already has.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Heres the explanation of the PFF offensive line rating system:

https://www.pff.com/news/pro-how-we-grade-offensive-and-defensive-linemen
Seems there's a lot of feels in there. And again it doesn't really matter if everybody else has stinky pass Pro offensive lines too we're just talking about our stinky pass Pro offensive line. Maybe the whole league should draft 80% picks on the offensive line for the next 3 years. Maybe that's a real thing. Who knows.

Can the ratings hide a really bad player or two? A chain is as strong as the weakest link. Do the stats show that Brock Purdy neutralizes an abnormally high percentage of o-line fails? How is that factored in the stats?

Anyway the online doesn't really pass the eyeball test. They get pushed around because they're too light, intentionally so, and this has bad implications for pass pro. Don't need a complicated rating system to see that game in game out. And Purdy going to pay the price if we don't make a change. Already has.

The eyeball test is surely the ultimate in feels, we see what we want to see in most cases.

The O line is avg but not the worst, KC just signed the guy who couldnt beat out our starting RT to be their starting LT.

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by bassmanr:
I don't like the ranking systems they use. Most of the stats are taken from a whole season that has a lot of garbage time and really weak opponents. The center is horrible maybe he was injured maybe he wasn't. McKivitz was maybe average and Banks is gone. Maybe with a healthy TW we could be better on the left Tackle position but he's older and we lost our swing tackle.

Sorry but the so called rating systems are crap. Just watch our games. Purdy is running for his life which also probably helps the rankings.

By the way the rankings systems also have us with a horrible draft, which we have no idea what this class will bring.

I know this site can have homerism but I'm sick of some people saying it's OK not to invest in the OL.

Sorry for the rant but I've been pounding the keyboard for 3 years with no change. It takes offensive lineman at least two years to develope and that's if their good.

Yes the 49ers had a lot of garbage time last year

Nobody likes the rating systems if it proves their point wrong. Especially 5 of them.

But the point is the oline issues are league wide and the 49ers are right in the middle.

actually there was a statistic floating around a couple months ago showing olinemen don't peak until well into their late 20s. Developing your backups would be ideal or signing a guy coming off his rookie contract would be ideal. Drafting 4 olinemen is probably not ideal if your return isn't until 4-5 years down the road.

You're correct about the O line being a league wide issue. The style that most colleges play isn't preparing O linemen for the style that most NFL teams play. Run blocking isn't a problem but pass blocking is nearly always the weak point for most players coming out of college. In the NFL linemen are required to protect a little longer because coaches prefer their QB to stay in the pocket. Even good running QBs like Allen and Jackson are asked to not run as much. When a great all around tackle like Sewell or Trent Williams comes out he always goes in the top 10-15 picks. Every team covets a great tackle that can protect thier high priced QB. The best thing bout great tackles is they often play 10 years or more. Some last 15 years. When you get one you know you're set for years.

Originally posted by babarvaart:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Heres the explanation of the PFF offensive line rating system:

https://www.pff.com/news/pro-how-we-grade-offensive-and-defensive-linemen
Seems there's a lot of feels in there. And again it doesn't really matter if everybody else has stinky pass Pro offensive lines too we're just talking about our stinky pass Pro offensive line. Maybe the whole league should draft 80% picks on the offensive line for the next 3 years. Maybe that's a real thing. Who knows.

Can the ratings hide a really bad player or two? A chain is as strong as the weakest link. Do the stats show that Brock Purdy neutralizes an abnormally high percentage of o-line fails? How is that factored in the stats?

Anyway the online doesn't really pass the eyeball test. They get pushed around because they're too light, intentionally so, and this has bad implications for pass pro. Don't need a complicated rating system to see that game in game out. And Purdy going to pay the price if we don't make a change. Already has.

The eyeball test is surely the ultimate in feels, we see what we want to see in most cases.

The O line is avg but not the worst, KC just signed the guy who couldnt beat out our starting RT to be their starting LT.

I trust feels as much as rating so we will need more specifics on why they were rated higher than we saw/ feel. It's just more important for us with Purdy's hight. If you gave him time I believe he could be elite at slicing defense's coverage. His head and abilities to process quickly.

Let's give him time. IMHO the line is as important as recivers.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by bassmanr:
I don't like the ranking systems they use.

"Those numbers don't agree with my feelings so they are wrong"

A lot of our eyes not feelings. The only time I have feelings is when we lose the superbowl then yes I have feelings and even my wife thinks I take football too serious lol.

Please sign a Safety tomorrow IDGAF which one.