John Lynch - 49ers GM

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
At this point, barring some crazy blockbuster trade with the disgruntled Bengals that nets us Hendrickson/one of their WRs/Joe Burrow, this team's ceiling is a wild card exit more than likely 8-9 (thanks to the soft schedule)

Mason Graham (IF we're lucky and he somehow falls to us) is not going to come here and save the day in his first season despite this fanbase's wishes lol

Great thing is the season doesn't start for another 6 months.

Listen I understand the frustration. Looking at the roster there are a lot of question marks and god forbid our key guys miss any time BUT we also have no idea what the roster will actually look like come September or what the team will look like come January.

I know I'm not the only one who thought the Rams were going to be dog sh*t heading into the 2023 season. They didn't even have a first round draft pick.

a 5th round rookie led their team in receptions, receiving yards and TDs
a 2nd year RB who didn't do much of anything as a rookie led the NFL in rushing yards per game and I believe was the 2nd leading rusher behind CMC
a 3rd round DT led their team in sacks
a 3rd round DE was tied for 2nd on their team in sacks

That's obviously hard to have a draft that hits the way theirs did but it does show it's possible to get top level production from rookies.

I think we definitely looked at what the Rams did and will be looking to replicate that to a degree. Even last year Rams had a starting DE, DT, C and K(not a huge feat but still a rookie making a big impact) and even Kam Kinchens started a few games and made a big impact.

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by Niners418:
My biggest concern is the defensive line.
there'd no way you can leave this draft with 3 starters. 2 DT and a DE. It just doesn't work that way. That's also forcing you to draft those needs very early and ignore all other needs.

I've been saying this for the last two days.

"We have 11 draft picks we're fine!" is NOT a plan. It just isn't. Not a single draft pick is proven. None. They each have a sub-50% chance of even working out at all. And that's for the early rounds. And literally every team has draft picks.

Putting all our eggs into the draft basket instead of actual proven talent is going to screw us so hard and finish this team's window off for good. At least we had a great run of… zero Super Bowl wins!

I disagree. The draft, if handled well, is what opens the SB window. The draft is what opened the window recently, and will do so again. Relying on free agency too much can try to wedge a crack in that closing window (from drafting poorly). But, poorly handled free angency can also slam that window shut.

Our front office right now: "it's okay we just need to draft well! 😇 no need for proven talent!"

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
CMC, Trent and Kittle have about 2 really good years left in each of them at the most. That's why this "rebuild" is a ridiculous idea. Unless we're trading all three of them.

Aiming for 2027 to compete for a title again is so mind-bogglingly dumb. Purdy, an old Warner/Bosa and a washed Aiyuk is all that's going to be left from this current core at that point. We might as well be starting from scratch.

>>>Aiming for 2027 to compete for a title again is so mind-bogglingly dumb...

Actually what would be mind bogglingly dumb would be to spend big $ on more aging expensive vets, whether they were our own players of from another team. That just extends the problem deeper into the future.

Lol at the front office thinking they're going to draft 11 starters

Seriously though: this better be the best draft class of all time with how this fanbase is coping and what our FO's strategy and plan apparently is.

If we bust on the vast majority of picks I better not hear everyone pivot to "well it's okay it's a sound strategy we tried! If we had hit on the picks it would've worked 😇"

It's like the Buckner/Kinlaw debacle but on a vastly larger scale. I said it from the beginning: the guy we should've let go is ARMSTEAD not Buckner. But people kept saying "well Buckner got us a 1st! Armstead would've only netted us a 2nd! And sure we picked a bum with that 1st but if we hadn't it would've worked out!"

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:
Lol at the front office thinking they're going to draft 11 starters

At this point the front office must be dead certain they're going to draft 11 Hall of Famers.

To top it all off: this is a hilariously stupid time to tank. Our schedule next season is too soft.

Everybody all upset that we suck now but nobody wants to mention the elephant in the room that was the 3 first round picks and the 3rd round pick that was the lance trade.

Worst trade in NFL history and the biggest bust in NFL history orchestrated by none other than your Kyle shanahan and John Lynch.

Normally somebody would be held accountable for a screw up of that magnitude but around here you get an extension.

We can now see that it's likely Kyle will go at least 10 years as the 49ers head coach with a .500 at best record and no sbs.

Hardly the young offensive genius he is portrayed. I would indeed wager at this point mcvay is closer to winning a second sb than Kyle is to his first.

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
Everybody all upset that we suck now but nobody wants to mention the elephant in the room that was the 3 first round picks and the 3rd round pick that was the lance trade.

Worst trade in NFL history and the biggest bust in NFL history orchestrated by none other than your Kyle shanahan and John Lynch.

Normally somebody would be held accountable for a screw up of that magnitude but around here you get an extension.

We can now see that it's likely Kyle will go at least 10 years as the 49ers head coach with a .500 at best record and no sbs.

Hardly the young offensive genius he is portrayed. I would indeed eager at this point mcvay is closer to winning a second sb than Kyle is to his first.

I actually mentioned this yesterday. The Trey Lance + CMC trades basically resulted in the 2022-2023 drafts both being total bust drafts. We got Purdy and CMC out of those two drafts and that's it.

I disagree that it's the worst in NFL history, but that trade did set us back, it just took a couple years for us to start feeling the repercussions.

Originally posted by Scraptastic:
There are still some very good veterans who remain unsigned.

Amari Cooper
Branding Cooks
Tykee Lockett
Von Miller
Matthew Judon
Demarcus Lawrence
Za'Darius Smith
Tyron Smith
Jedrick Wills
Kendall Fuller
Justin Simmons

That's just naming a few. Let's see what happens during the next wave of Free Agency

Odds are most of those will not be signed by us since most of them are older vets who would price themselves out of what we're looking to spend.

I'm intrigued by Jedrick Willis simply cuz he's an early first round talent...a Laken Tomlinson like reclamation project wouldn't be a bad idea but the medicals and $ have to be right.

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
Everybody all upset that we suck now but nobody wants to mention the elephant in the room that was the 3 first round picks and the 3rd round pick that was the lance trade.

Worst trade in NFL history and the biggest bust in NFL history orchestrated by none other than your Kyle shanahan and John Lynch.

Normally somebody would be held accountable for a screw up of that magnitude but around here you get an extension.

We can now see that it's likely Kyle will go at least 10 years as the 49ers head coach with a .500 at best record and no sbs.

Hardly the young offensive genius he is portrayed. I would indeed wager at this point mcvay is closer to winning a second sb than Kyle is to his first.

Dude we've talked about this a million times.

However pretending Kyle isn't a brilliant offensive mind is just ignorance. The offense produced every year under Kyle regardless of who the QB is. As for McVay this is a 49ers forum. What McVay does with the Rams does nothing to what's happening with our team.

I'd like to see McVay win without Matt Stafford. We've seen Kyle make the SB with Jimmy G and the limited QB so many want to pretend doesn't stack up to Stafford.

What happened in 2022 the year after the Rams won the SB with their super team? McVay went 2-6 with QBs not named Stafford(and didn't do MUCH better with Stafford either) funny how injuries can derail a team...

Originally posted by BYisGod:

Originally posted by Niners418:
My biggest concern is the defensive line.
there'd no way you can leave this draft with 3 starters. 2 DT and a DE. It just doesn't work that way. That's also forcing you to draft those needs very early and ignore all other needs.

This. There is so much coping going on in this thread, and people are losing sight of reality. We are rebuilding. There will be lots of pain for the next two or three seasons at least.

I was a little surprised when they released Floyd, but he was not that good and bad against the run. That being said I would have kept him knowing hes far from terrible too.

I am far more concerned our offensive line is looking like: TW - Bartch - Brendal - Puni - McKivitz. I don't expect much winning running that group out there.

For me, looking at this draft I am taking O-line the first 2-3 picks easy. I want a tackle in the first and a center in the second or maybe the 3rd. Hell I would take a tackle 1 and 2 as TW never plays a full season anymore.

The good thing is DT is so deep they can get two starters/contributors for the run games in rounds 4-6. We also need a CB, LB, FS. This draft does line up fairly well with our needs tbh.

Now tbh, they have never attacked o line before like I am speculating here so I have my doubts. I will wait until the draft is done to judge.

Originally posted by Scraptastic:
There are still some very good veterans who remain unsigned.

Amari Cooper
Branding Cooks
Tykee Lockett
Von Miller
Matthew Judon
Demarcus Lawrence
Za'Darius Smith
Tyron Smith
Jedrick Wills
Kendall Fuller
Justin Simmons

That's just naming a few. Let's see what happens during the next wave of Free Agency

Lockett tore us up for years. Lol not always in a big stat game but he always seemed to make clutch plays on us.