John Lynch - 49ers GM

Originally posted by MK_Ultra:

49ers should have had these 3 future all-pros:
Pat Mahomes ... Instead drafted Solomon Thomas
Derwin James ... Instead drafted Mike McGlinchey
Trent Brown .. ... Instead drafted Taverius Moore

Lol McGlinchey has graded out far better than brown this season

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by ilikecheerleaders:
Uses first round picks to fix the run game on both sides of the ball. Now top 5 ranked run offense, top 7 ranked run defense. Bust.

Glad we have our priorities strait in a passing league.

I guess I'm just wondering what else there will be to complain about when:

1. We draft an elite edge rusher in this upcoming draft.
2. That edge rusher takes a ton of pressure off our zone defense.
3. They can't run the ball on our top 10 run defense.
4. Jimmy G is supposed to be better than Matt Cassel and we probably draft a guard to give him more time.
5. We can run out the clock with extended drives from our top 5 run offense.

Originally posted by MK_Ultra:

49ers should have had these 3 future all-pros:
Pat Mahomes ... Instead drafted Solomon Thomas
Derwin James ... Instead drafted Mike McGlinchey
Trent Brown .. ... Instead drafted Taverius Moore

Those other two picks - I don't care about as much. But, we needed a QB badly in 2017 draft and we missed out on Mahomes. That's a major mistake. Having an excellent QB on a rookie contract is a game changer.

I would trade a 4th for Cooper. Anything more is too much. He has this year and then the 5th year option on his contract, that's it.

If Josh Gordon went for a 5th, then Cooper should be worth a 4th.

Originally posted by eastie:

We are not the worst team in football. There were many on here that said Vance was a huge bust. Looking back, it is always easier to determine if the right move was made or not. This team is steadily improving. For those who complain that the process isn't happening fast enough, I would say, leave it to the people whose job it is, to determine what players fit and what players don't.

We are not getting paid millions of dollars nor we have access to all the practices and film room sessions. Lynch has way more info to make the right decisions. The best GMs and coaches see things in players that others can't and/or don't.

You should know your own players really really well. How can you scout college players when you're not able to properly judge your own players? This is a big concern to me.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Did you see the 2016 49ers?

If we were healthy, we'd be 3-2 or 4-1. I'm just not getting the argument. Just because Lynch opted to fix our historically bad run defense first as opposed to fixing our bad pass rush doesn't mean that they have no intent to ever address the pass rush. It seems that the hate has reached a point where now the positives the team has done are being turned into negatives as well.

Very very very true great post. Plus Landry might be great but right now the pass rushers in this year's draft are not good at all. We won't judge them for a year or two but so far it looks like Lynch made the right decision because next year in free agency and the draft it is stocked with pass rushers. We just wasted a year but we will be better in the long run for sure And with the injuries we had we would've not went anywhere in the playoffs if we made them. Now we get a top five pick so this could work out better for us

And whether or not people think we were playing like a four win or three win team the fact of the matter is jimmy would've easily been the difference in a two point game against the Chargers or a five turnover game against the Cardinals. With the way the rest of the NFC is playing we would easily be in a great position to get a wildcard.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Did you see the 2016 49ers?

If we were healthy, we'd be 3-2 or 4-1. I'm just not getting the argument. Just because Lynch opted to fix our historically bad run defense first as opposed to fixing our bad pass rush doesn't mean that they have no intent to ever address the pass rush. It seems that the hate has reached a point where now the positives the team has done are being turned into negatives as well.

Every single injury is a Shanny acquisition. Is his finesse team just soft? Obviously Jimmy going down is a fluke I will give him a pass on that major injury but at no point during the 1st 3 games did we look like a 4-1 team. Look like a contender. Maybe we're 3-2, maybe not.

As for end we'll get to it when we get to it. Why would anyone be upset with that philosophy?

This.

I have been saying it for a while now that not only is this team poorly coached, but it is soft. Shanahan is turning the 9ers into a finesse team. First off, I talked about it repeatedly that just because he wants to base his system on Zone Blocking Scheme, we have since reduced our line into a bunch of skinny linemen because they need to be able to run. Even Shanahan admitted it in one of the press conferences when confronted with the question. He actually said he would prefer to have a bunch of big guys who can run, but unfortunately that would take many high 1st round picks to get it done. In other words, he does admit he has made major compromises in order to form the current line to play to his ZBS system. Some people here have tried to argue the point small linemen can be strong too, but unfortunately not the ones we have and like I said it was admitted by Shanahan himself he would rather have bigger linemen who can run in order to strengthen this weak line, but he just doesn't want to invest in it. There is no free lunch in this world, if you don't want to invest, then simple don't play ZBS, how about going back to big linemen and playing power? But, no he chose not to, that is how we have ended up where we are.

It all stems from the line, he wanted a line that can run and he has ended up with a weak and skinny line. But, that wasn't enough, he doesn't like big downhill bell cow power backs neither, because he wants smaller backs who can cut and catch the ball, hence we have ended up with a bunch of small backs who can't pound it. Or they might be able to break a few good runs, but they simply don't have the physicality to take the pounding. Same goes with the WRs, we don't have a single big-bodied physical receiver who can play on the outside to compete for jump balls as well as being a legit red zone weapon. In a nutshell, this is what the current 9ers team have turned into. Make no mistake, this isn't the same smash-mouth team which a lot of us were proud of under Harbaugh. As a result, not only are we injury prone because we have small weak players, we can't assert ourselves on our opponents such as goal line situations, we simply can't pound it in anymore like the good ole days with Frank and Carlos. We are soft and we get manhandled.

As to whether we look like a 1-4 team or 3-2 team, it is obvious. Let's call it the way it is, we are lucky we are not at 0-5. Even before Jimmy went down we were already struggling. Lynch and Shanahan simply haven't done enough in the offseason. Again, let me reiterate, the NFL is an arms race, don't kid yourselves, if you can't get it done in the draft when you blow away your No.3 overall pick on a bust, you just have to make it up by getting the cheque book out during free agency. But, no, they did none of that. They kept kidding themselves. Meanwhile, other teams are loading up big time such as the Rams and the Bears of the world. Listen, the Bears were totally crap last year and look at them now. No.1 in NFC North leading the Packers and the Vikings. How did they do it? They built the team around Trubisky with proper legit players including their latest acquisition Mack.

Since we are talking about standings, I will just say this, I didn't invent it, but in essence we are what our record says we are. There is no other way around it. If you don't have enough talent, you just can't compete, is really as simple as that.

When you insist on judging from our record, I dont see how you can make this assessment without taking into account all circumstances. For example the two key members of the O are out on i/r. The O line has been decimated by shorter term injuries. This is a very young team and these losses hurt more than they would if the rest of the roster was more experienced. The depth is relatively weak on account of the rebuild (nearly) from scratch obviously starts with the starters.

These things combine to represent the difference between a one win team and a level pegging team. My prediction for the season was, iirc, 7-9. No team performs to its potential with these issues and in particular with the starting qb down and out.

The rebuild will continue next spring and, if the Injury Gods are kinder next year, next season will reflect all this.

Originally posted by English:
When you insist on judging from our record, I dont see how you can make this assessment without taking into account all circumstances. For example the two key members of the O are out on i/r. The O line has been decimated by shorter term injuries. This is a very young team and these losses hurt more than they would if the rest of the roster was more experienced. The depth is relatively weak on account of the rebuild (nearly) from scratch obviously starts with the starters.

These things combine to represent the difference between a one win team and a level pegging team. My prediction for the season was, iirc, 7-9. No team performs to its potential with these issues and in particular with the starting qb down and out.

The rebuild will continue next spring and, if the Injury Gods are kinder next year, next season will reflect all this.

I presume you are referring to Jimmy G and McKinnon. My answer to you is while Jimmy might be our franchise QB, he isn't supposed to be an one-man band neither. In other words, even if Jimmy goes down, we shouldn't just automatically fall into pieces. The Eagles lost Carson Wentz and they went on to win the Super Bowl with their back-up QB as they carried on making aggressive moves as the season went on. As for McKinnon, none of us know what he can or cannot do. The guy is an unproven entity, we are talking about a RB who has never rushed for over 600 yards in a season. Therefore, you can't just automatically assume he was going to be the answer if he hadn't gone down.

I am a reasonable man, last year when we first hired Lynch and Shanahan, I made a post about my expectations which everybody thought I was being more than reasonable and what I essentially said was as follows:

Year 1 - 6-10
Year 2 - 9-7
Year 3 - Playoff

As it tuned out, we did make it to 6-10 last year thanks to Jimmy G. But, let's be honest here, if Belichick didn't hand Jimmy over on a silver platter, we would have ended up with an 1-15 season. So, onto this year, Year 2, needless to say we definitely won't make it to 9-7 now. And why aren't we making it? Dare I say even if Jimmy didn't go down, I still don't think we would have made it to 9-7. You could see how the team struggled from the get-go in Week 1. That tells me the roster is just not good enough. In fact, one could argue this year's team is too similar to last year's squad and that's probably why. Meaning, we simply haven't improved enough with our personnel. Just look around you at the better teams and look at their rosters and what kind of moves they have been making in their offseasons.

And I will say something else too. If Lynch and Shanahan don't go for it big time in this coming offseason, this team will remain status quo or basically stagnant as in we won't be going anywhere anytime soon (even if Jimmy comes back strong and healthy). We will need an infusion of legit proven named impact players. There is just no other way around it. Lynch will need to get his Amex Black card out.

I find it hilarious that the same people who flame Lynch and the FO for not landing Mack, also give them no credit for acquiring Jimmy G.

There are 32 teams in this league, and when a great player becomes available several teams want them, it isn't like your franchise game of Madden.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
I find it hilarious that the same people who flame Lynch and the FO for not landing Mack, also give them no credit for acquiring Jimmy G.

There are 32 teams in this league, and when a great player becomes available several teams want them, it isn't like your franchise game of Madden.

Only you refuse to accept the facts. While Lynch had called Belichick about Jimmy G before he was told a straight no repeatedly at the time.

That was not until the Brady issue took over when Belichick really had to get rid of Jimmy G and he himself called up Kyle Shanahan (not Lynch) simply because Belichick has a lot of respect for Mike Shanahan and thought perhaps Kyle Shanahan would be a great head coach for Jimmy. The deal itself of a 2nd round pick was just an after thought. Belichick didn't really care about that, he just wanted to do what was best for Jimmy.

Tbe Eagles were lucky. As were NE some years ago. Neither team was rebuilding at the time, and I cant think of any other 2nd stringer that could carry a rebuilding team. But I am conscious that there is a general tone of pessimism on the zone and a desire to flame everything to do with the team. Enjoy the misery.

Originally posted by MK_Ultra:

49ers should have had these 3 future all-pros:
Pat Mahomes ... Instead drafted Solomon Thomas
Derwin James ... Instead drafted Mike McGlinchey
Trent Brown .. ... Instead drafted Taverius Moore

You do realize the plan was to go after Kirk Cousins hence not drafting a QB last yr. jimmy G fell into their laps.

Mike is playing like a top 10 OT right now, yet you're b***hing about it lol.

Trent Brown was NEVER going to get resigned weighing in at 385 lbs...go look at ALL of the shanahan's tackles. People who have b***hed if they didn't get value for him after this yr

Trent brown a pro-bowler lol

No context to prove a narrative smh

Originally posted by 4ML:

Those other two picks - I don't care about as much. But, we needed a QB badly in 2017 draft and we missed out on Mahomes. That's a major mistake. Having an excellent QB on a rookie contract is a game changer.

Except the plan was to go get cousins in FA. Ya'll would have yelled bust all last season when Mahomes sat the bench behind Hoyer for a yr lol.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Every single injury is a Shanny acquisition. Is his finesse team just soft? Obviously Jimmy going down is a fluke I will give him a pass on that major injury but at no point during the 1st 3 games did we look like a 4-1 team. Look like a contender. Maybe we're 3-2, maybe not.

As for end we'll get to it when we get to it. Why would anyone be upset with that philosophy?

Considering the amount of turnover I'd assume most players injured would be Kyle's players lol.

What is this "soft" BS anyway....what is kyle suppose to do to make his player not "soft"? You got CBA restrictions up the butt now. You got guys tearing ACLs (non contact) if you can figure out how to fix that you'd be a millionaire.

It's not like he targeting "soft" players either. McGlinchey is a iron man. Garcon has always been a tough S.O.B, kyle draftd Beathard because he's was tough as nails etc...

Players get hurt it happens. The whole notion that players are soft and that equals injuries is a false narrative imo.

I think with a healthy squad they'd be 3-2 right now. They weren't playoff contenders (yet) regardless. Could be a blessing disguise with the high end picks coming from the injuries.