Start Gabbert?

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Go head and start Blaine and see what happens...like I said if he blows it you gonna still blame Kap? Fix the OL and coaching before starting all over at the QB position just my 2 cents you don't have to agree with it.

If Blaine blows on plays that are not the OL's fault I will blame Blaine.

You see, I'm not just about fixing the QB OR fixing the OL. I'd prefer to fix BOTH.

So you think that if the OL was fixed that Kap would still be bad?

Originally posted by eastie:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Go head and start Blaine and see what happens...like I said if he blows it you gonna still blame Kap? Fix the OL and coaching before starting all over at the QB position just my 2 cents you don't have to agree with it.

If Blaine blows on plays that are not the OL's fault I will blame Blaine.

You see, I'm not just about fixing the QB OR fixing the OL. I'd prefer to fix BOTH.

So you think that if the OL was fixed that Kap would still be bad?

I think kaep needs a great team and great coaching to be great. If any of those pieces are not in place, he falls apart. Even with a great oline he would still be hampered by horrible coaching. Kaep needs a team like Dallas to be great.

Originally posted by eastie:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Go head and start Blaine and see what happens...like I said if he blows it you gonna still blame Kap? Fix the OL and coaching before starting all over at the QB position just my 2 cents you don't have to agree with it.

If Blaine blows on plays that are not the OL's fault I will blame Blaine.

You see, I'm not just about fixing the QB OR fixing the OL. I'd prefer to fix BOTH.

So you think that if the OL was fixed that Kap would still be bad?

Yes!!!!

A coaching change is what's needed, this coaching staff has made Kap look worst than he really is. Don't get me wrong Kap is horrible right now, but a Adam Gase, Shanahan, Payton, Andy Reid or even Josh McDaniel would make Kap look a lot better than this crap.

I can't believe some of the reasonings I'm reading up in here..

Do we NOT wanna see Gabbert because Kaep is your favorite player, or what??

Why the heck would we pay somone over a million dollar if we have no belief that he can come of the bench??

It's not like we gonna cut KAEP the minute Gabby starts, we just wanna know what he can do... damnnn, we are paying the guy..

Would you guys be happy if Double A doesn't see a single play this year, because you all think he sucks?????

Originally posted by JDMathews49ers:

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by JDMathews49ers:

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by fan49:

Originally posted by Niners99:
The 49ers made him buy insurance for that. I think the most we would owe him is 11 mil. for a career ending injury.

Its sad to me that this fanbase never learns from the past. Weve been here before. Only 6 years ago. The fans were so convinced that everything was Alex Smith's fault, and they chanted for Carr. They got their wish, and he was AWFUL.

Same situation, different names. Gabbert would be awful. Same OL, same playcalling, but with no running ability. You think things would magically get better?

Fix the OL, fix a HUGE part of the problem. It should be priority one.

So if kaep gets hurt you'd rather pay him 11 million than sitting him and releasing him for 2

Id rather exhaust every opportunity to get Kap over the hump than give up early and be stuck with Gabbert the rest of the way, and then wait another 1-2 years for a rookie to get acclimated.

People dont see it yet, but moving on from Kap will put this team deep in the dark 2004-2005 pit. It can get even worse.

Were going to be watching Gabbert running around scared, ducking into sacks and skipping balls into the ground. The offense will get even harder to watch. People will start to realize that at least Kap had the physical talent to make plays. It will back to the days of a check down QB with no deep ball.

Don't worry about Gabbert, if he can't handle it, we will just sign a better free agent veteran in the offseason that's all. The 9ers are not going to the playoffs, our season is already over.

I tell you what, if you keep Kap we will definitely go into the dark, dark ages. We will draft a top franchise QB and sit him behind the vet for a year while rebuilding the rest of the pieces.

But, we must bench Kap right NOW. We are not going to dig a hole for ourselves, if he gets injured we will be well screwed.

As long as the right side of the OL stays the same, no QB will succeed here.

Btw, who are these "better free agents" you speak of? Good QB's arent made available.

First thing you have to remember is we are rebuilding. That means we are not all of a sudden going to become fantastic. It will take some time. We only need a veteran QB who can sustain efficient QB play that can tie us through say a season until the new rookie is ready.

As for the right side of the line, I am sure we will address it in the offseason via draft as well as free agency. We will have a tonne of cap room especially if we cut Kap. Don't worry we will find someone.

If you're going to cut Kap for another terrible FA QB to be a stop gap for a rookie, you may as well keep Kap or start the rookie. According to Rascal it's going to be a disaster either way.

Why would you pay $17 mil for a bridge QB?? LOL.

Why are you worried about it? Wasn't aware you were cutting checks.

Oh I see, so now is about whether I am cutting cheques for the 9ers? LOL. You Kap supporters are ridiculous. $17 mil for a bridge QB. Jesus, I am glad you are not our GM, bro!!

Originally posted by NYniner85:
He had a top D and top running game nowhere near a top pass blocking OL....where are you gonna magically find a young QB that's gonna perform well with his team? Backups in this league are just that backups at the very least Kap has shown glimpses of a being a solid starting QB.

Kap was fine when we actually had a coaching staff. as long as we keep who's calling the plays around its not gonna matter who's QB....agrue all you want about how Kap sucks but he played well under harbs and most qbs in this league need a decent defense and a OL that can block a four man rush.

How do you know he'd tell me to F off? You can give him a reduced base salary with incentives that could make him more...does he not think he can play at a high enough level to make more money? If not then he should go.

Back-ups are just back-ups? I am not sure whether players like Fitzpatrick can be classified as a "back-up", the guy starts for the Jets, it ain't Geno Smith nor Bryce Petty, just in case you haven't noticed. Oh yea and he has been playing OK. QBs like that can hold down the fort, not like Kap who would go into meltdown mode. Plus, again we will be rebuilding anyway, don't expect us to go 16-0 and win the Super Bowl next year.

Kap was playing like sh*te under Harbaugh too, he has been regressing all along and you know it, that was why you had to preempt this point. Is well documented. Just look at his QBR from year 1, it has been going down every single year.

Last but not least, unless you are only asking him to literally trim off the surface of his package by a million or two, otherwise I can't see him agreeing to it. If that were the case, you would still be paying him well over $10 mil which is pointless and a complete waste of money. Think about it, you are are going to tell him, hey you have been playing like sh*te Kap, so what we want to do is to cut your pay and to draft another potential franchise QB and you think he is going to say sure guys no problem let's do it?! If it ever got to that, to Kap it would be like I guess my welcome here has just expired and is time to move on. If you were his agent, you would advise him to move on too, otherwise you wouldn't be doing your job.

Originally posted by Rascal:

Back-ups are just back-ups? I am not sure whether players like Fitzpatrick can be classified as a "back-up", the guy starts for the Jets, it ain't Geno Smith nor Bryce Petty, just in case you haven't noticed. Oh yea and he has been playing OK. QBs like that can hold down the fort, not like Kap who would go into meltdown mode. Plus, again we will be rebuilding anyway, don't expect us to go 16-0 and win the Super Bowl next year.

Kap was playing like sh*te under Harbaugh too, he has been regressing all along and you know it, that was why you had to preempt this point. Is well documented. Just look at his QBR from year 1, it has been going down every single year.

Last but not least, unless you are only asking him to literally trim off the surface of his package by a million or two, otherwise I can't see him agreeing to it. If that were the case, you would still be paying him well over $10 mil which is pointless and a complete waste of money. Think about it, you are are going to tell him, hey you have been playing like sh*te Kap, so what we want to do is to cut your pay and to draft another potential franchise QB and you think he is going to say sure guys no problem let's do it?! If it ever got to that, to Kap it would be like I guess my welcome here has just expired and is time to move on. If you were his agent, you would advise him to move on too, otherwise you wouldn't be doing your job.

Is Gailey coming with Ftiz?? Because that's the only time he's been atlest servicable is under him....are we gonna get the Jets top D as well? They arent asking him to win games but at the very least keep them in the game....is Bowles and the #1 pass blocking OL coming with him as well?? Also who said the don't resign ftiz anyway?? Geno hasn't done anything to say he's better ( just another wasted pick on a QB).

Kap was fine under harbs, he was never asked to be Rogers or Big Ben and throw the ball 40+ plus times, he's offense was based on controlling the clock, running the ball, and getting Kap going in play action and guess what it worked...just like it works currently in Seattle.

Did you seriously think that SF would be winning games after the off season they had and the coaching staff they put together????

The ONLY thing I agree with is the fact that he will be getting paid way too much next season and I would expect the FO to figure that out if they want to keep him on the team...I think dropping him for a bridge QB will lead to years of BS 6-10 years and wasted picks on QB after QB.

We clearly don't agree and that's fine lets just wait and see what happens.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Is Gailey coming with Ftiz?? Because that's the only time he's been atlest servicable is under him....are we gonna get the Jets top D as well? They arent asking him to win games but at the very least keep them in the game....is Bowles and the #1 pass blocking OL coming with him as well?? Also who said the don't resign ftiz anyway?? Geno hasn't done anything to say he's better ( just another wasted pick on a QB).

Kap was fine under harbs, he was never asked to be Rogers or Big Ben and throw the ball 40+ plus times, he's offense was based on controlling the clock, running the ball, and getting Kap going in play action and guess what it worked...just like it works currently in Seattle.

Did you seriously think that SF would be winning games after the off season they had and the coaching staff they put together????

The ONLY thing I agree with is the fact that he will be getting paid way too much next season and I would expect the FO to figure that out if they want to keep him on the team...I think dropping him for a bridge QB will lead to years of BS 6-10 years and wasted picks on QB after QB.

We clearly don't agree and that's fine lets just wait and see what happens.

Yep, let's see what happens.

But, speak of the devil, even our own Webzone writers have already started writing about bridge/stop-gap QBs. Not going to debate on the choices, but just saying, seems like the wheel is in motion.

http://www.49erswebzone.com/commentary/1514-three-possible-veteran-stop-gap-quarterbacks-49ers/

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Is Gailey coming with Ftiz?? Because that's the only time he's been atlest servicable is under him....are we gonna get the Jets top D as well? They arent asking him to win games but at the very least keep them in the game....is Bowles and the #1 pass blocking OL coming with him as well?? Also who said the don't resign ftiz anyway?? Geno hasn't done anything to say he's better ( just another wasted pick on a QB).

Kap was fine under harbs, he was never asked to be Rogers or Big Ben and throw the ball 40+ plus times, he's offense was based on controlling the clock, running the ball, and getting Kap going in play action and guess what it worked...just like it works currently in Seattle.

Did you seriously think that SF would be winning games after the off season they had and the coaching staff they put together????

The ONLY thing I agree with is the fact that he will be getting paid way too much next season and I would expect the FO to figure that out if they want to keep him on the team...I think dropping him for a bridge QB will lead to years of BS 6-10 years and wasted picks on QB after QB.

We clearly don't agree and that's fine lets just wait and see what happens.

Yep, let's see what happens.

But, speak of the devil, even our own Webzone writers have already started writing about bridge/stop-gap QBs. Not going to debate on the choices, but just saying, seems like the wheel is in motion.

http://www.49erswebzone.com/commentary/1514-three-possible-veteran-stop-gap-quarterbacks-49ers/

Bradford, Glennon or Schaub? Come on. What would be the point?

Yeah, Kolohe, and those guys are all on my list as OC/HC potential candidates.

Originally posted by Rascal:
Yep, let's see what happens.

But, speak of the devil, even our own Webzone writers have already started writing about bridge/stop-gap QBs. Not going to debate on the choices, but just saying, seems like the wheel is in motion.

http://www.49erswebzone.com/commentary/1514-three-possible-veteran-stop-gap-quarterbacks-49ers/

They're writing about it because it's quite clear that Kaep will be the scapegoat this year....just like Harbaugh last year. Signs of a Bad team? Inability to identify the real source of the problem(s). That's this team in a nutshell. This franchise has been spinning its wheels for over a decade now. It's always the QB's fault. LOL....back to another decade of irrelevance.

Poor gabbert he be watching these forums like. A Hawke, thinking if I make 50 pages I my get a crack.

Originally posted by Blindfury:

Originally posted by Rascal:
Yep, let's see what happens.

But, speak of the devil, even our own Webzone writers have already started writing about bridge/stop-gap QBs. Not going to debate on the choices, but just saying, seems like the wheel is in motion.

http://www.49erswebzone.com/commentary/1514-three-possible-veteran-stop-gap-quarterbacks-49ers/

They're writing about it because it's quite clear that Kaep will be the scapegoat this year....just like Harbaugh last year. Signs of a Bad team? Inability to identify the real source of the problem(s). That's this team in a nutshell. This franchise has been spinning its wheels for over a decade now. It's always the QB's fault. LOL....back to another decade of irrelevance.

This^^ might as well see what Hill, JTO, or T Smith are up too lol...they'll be super cheap. We can draft a QB every other year and be the WC version of the Browns sounds like a plan

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Yes!!!!

A coaching change is what's needed, this coaching staff has made Kap look worst than he really is. Don't get me wrong Kap is horrible right now, but a Adam Gase, Shanahan, Payton, Andy Reid or even Josh McDaniel would make Kap look a lot better than this crap.

I think any of those guys would of benched Kaep by now.

It's easy to say, fix the line and it will fix the team. In fact I said it in 2010. But there was a huge difference. Smith showed signs that he could help this team win games. He probably was settling for more FGs then some would like, but we were scoring.

But now, it's not just the OL that is bad. Kaep is really bad too. It's really not hard to see he's been playing terrible.

It has been reported multiple times that we have simplified the offense because of Kaep. That isn't even debatable. It's fact. So if the offense is simplified because of Kaep, how is it the OLs fault Kaep can't run the regular offense?

Give Gabbert a shot, see if he's improved. Move on from Kaep