Changes need to happen - now

Originally posted by vermonator:
Still, Baalke could have been more proactive and hedged his bets. After Kilgore, none of the OL, on the roster, besides Boone and Staley, are starting material.

Iupati hasn't even played a game yet. Had we re-signed him for 5-year $40 mil, we'd still be getting the same s**tty o-line play with the group we have now. Only difference is we'd have a $8 mil per year guard sitting on the shelf, and the same people criticizing Baalke now would be calling him an idiot for re-signing a declining, injury prone player to a massive contract.

Iupati was great, but it was the best move financially to move on.

Originally posted by leakyfausett:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:
Andy Levitre was acquired for a 6th round pick. Could have drafted Collins for a 5th. Unless you'd rather spend those late round picks on ACL projects.

Not a single team drafted Collins because no team wanted to be the one to have potentially drafted an alleged murderer. Not sure how any team can be blamed. The guy was beyond radioactive at the time.

Collins agent told all 32 teams he would not sign with any team if he was drafted after the 3rd round period. So nobody was willing to throw a 1,2,3 pick for a guy that might never play. I am sure many teams thought about a 5th or 6th to "take a risk" on him but he made it clear he was not signing

I recall that too.

Originally posted by ptw1:
I'll admit I'm a homer. I'm glad they fired JH. I didn't mind JT getting the job. But to come into this season with this OL is, in my mind, a worthy of getting Baalke fired. If we are to assume that the niners' aren't going to compete for a championship, the most important thing for this season is seeing whether or not CK is the man going forward. It's hard to really judge a QB when, rightfully, he's expecting pressure on every play.
I agree with some of the suggestions.
Hayne needs to return kicks
Bow is a down lb right now.
DJ needs to replace Acker
More Tart
Ward needs some time at FS
Easton at C
Thomas/Tiller at RG
Brown at RT
Use the pass to setup the run
No more lb's on WR in the slot
More Harold and less AB

Not bad at all

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:
You get one of the guards mentioned and kick Boone to tackle. Who are we so cap stretched by that we couldn't afford Levitre?

It would be a stupid investment to hand that much money to a guy who had basically fallen off the roster in Tennessee. I'd rather see them sign a premium free agent next year with that money than someones leftovers.


Had Levitre been released, sure, absolutely I would have expected the 49ers to pursue him, but taking on that massive contract the way Atlanta did, to me that would be a Donahue lije move, just total desperation.

It's smarter to lose 90-25?

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by vermonator:
Still, Baalke could have been more proactive and hedged his bets. After Kilgore, none of the OL, on the roster, besides Boone and Staley, are starting material.

Iupati hasn't even played a game yet. Had we re-signed him for 5-year $40 mil, we'd still be getting the same s**tty o-line play with the group we have now. Only difference is we'd have a $8 mil per year guard sitting on the shelf, and the same people criticizing Baalke now would be calling him an idiot for re-signing a declining, injury prone player to a massive contract.

Iupati was great, but it was the best move financially to move on.

Its been said a million times. Yes the back ups blow cock(they are back ups not starters). But losing both kilgore and AD have screwed us. I dont know many olines that would be far from disastrous with this big of a reshuffle this late in the offseason. We should have signed mathis early, maybe we tried and he chose denver. But kilgore had his second surgery in june, and AD retired around the same time. This forces martin to go from guard to center, and forces another supposed back up into a main role. Thus devey is brought in to help the competition, brandon thomas doesnt progress from his injury as quick as we would like and now we have him starting. Good luck finding a tackle to replace pears in a ZBS in mid june. Pretty much killed us. Maybe the back ups should be better. But I wouldnt mind the three players that are starting either:
1) starting with veterans surrounding them.
2) starting due to an injury.

But yeah, if you think teams just have a plethora of quality offensive linemen to fix three roles and reshuffle in june then you dont understand the state of oline play in the NFL today, there is a ton of s**ttastic lines in the Nfl, Ours from center to RT just happens to be the worst. Just imagine our offense with Staley - Boone - Kilgore - Whoever - AD, that was the expectation, it is Baalke's responsibility but I cant blame him to much for getting royally f**ked in this case.

Originally posted by philosoraptor:
Its been said a million times. Yes the back ups blow cock(they are back ups not starters). But losing both kilgore and AD have screwed us. I dont know many olines that would be far from disastrous with this big of a reshuffle this late in the offseason. We should have signed mathis early, maybe we tried and he chose denver. But kilgore had his second surgery in june, and AD retired around the same time. This forces martin to go from guard to center, and forces another supposed back up into a main role. Thus devey is brought in to help the competition, brandon thomas doesnt progress from his injury as quick as we would like and now we have him starting. Good luck finding a tackle to replace pears in a ZBS in mid june. Pretty much killed us. Maybe the back ups should be better. But I wouldnt mind the three players that are starting either:
1) starting with veterans surrounding them.
2) starting due to an injury.

But yeah, if you think teams just have a plethora of quality offensive linemen to fix three roles and reshuffle in june then you dont understand the state of oline play in the NFL today, there is a ton of s**ttastic lines in the Nfl, Ours from center to RT just happens to be the worst. Just imagine our offense with Staley - Boone - Kilgore - Whoever - AD, that was the expectation, it is Baalke's responsibility but I cant blame him to much for getting royally f**ked in this case.

Yes, I agree. Kilgore's setback and AD's retirement killed this unit. Staley-Boone-Kilgore-Martin-AD would have been fairly decent. That's what the team expected, and due to some s**t luck and bad timing, it didn't work out that way.

Originally posted by SofaKing:
Normally don't say radical changes need to be made after 3 weeks, but when you lose by a combined score of 90-25 in 2 games, you need to make some big changes. Both to the scheme and to the starting lineup.

I don't know how feasible it is to change scheme in the middle of the year, so we have to at least shuffle the lineup and try to get better execution, especially on the o-line and pass rush.

Brandon Thomas and Trent Brown need to play. Maybe Easton too. Devey and Pears are a waste of time. Both are terrible and have no potential. Every game they play we miss out on an opportunity to see if these young guys can step up and be better.

Defensively we need more of Armstead, Tartt, and Harold. Armstead is raw, but he still brings a more well-rounded game than any of our DEs. He's a good run-stopper and has some pass rush skill.

Harold brings more speed and natural pass rush ability than Brooks at this point.

Tartt is a playmaker. Between him and Ward, we should be playing more 4 safety looks like the Cardinals do. That's where the strength of the defense is. We invested a ton in the safety position, it's time to play these guys. More coverage ability on the field should help the pass defense.

This is spot on! I want to see what Brown and Thomas can do on the o-line. It doesn't make sense that we have pears and others struggling when we have younger options available. I also want to see what Harold, Armstead, and Tartt can do on the field. Although Armstead is raw, HE MAY be our best pass rushing D-lineman on our team. And if vernon isn't going to get much action, i want to see our other young TE's can do.

Originally posted by pdizo916:

Originally posted by SofaKing:
Normally don't say radical changes need to be made after 3 weeks, but when you lose by a combined score of 90-25 in 2 games, you need to make some big changes. Both to the scheme and to the starting lineup.

I don't know how feasible it is to change scheme in the middle of the year, so we have to at least shuffle the lineup and try to get better execution, especially on the o-line and pass rush.

Brandon Thomas and Trent Brown need to play. Maybe Easton too. Devey and Pears are a waste of time. Both are terrible and have no potential. Every game they play we miss out on an opportunity to see if these young guys can step up and be better.

Defensively we need more of Armstead, Tartt, and Harold. Armstead is raw, but he still brings a more well-rounded game than any of our DEs. He's a good run-stopper and has some pass rush skill.

Harold brings more speed and natural pass rush ability than Brooks at this point.

Tartt is a playmaker. Between him and Ward, we should be playing more 4 safety looks like the Cardinals do. That's where the strength of the defense is. We invested a ton in the safety position, it's time to play these guys. More coverage ability on the field should help the pass defense.

This is spot on! I want to see what Brown and Thomas can do on the o-line. It doesn't make sense that we have pears and others struggling when we have younger options available. I also want to see what Harold, Armstead, and Tartt can do on the field. Although Armstead is raw, HE MAY be our best pass rushing D-lineman on our team. And if vernon isn't going to get much action, i want to see our other young TE's can do.

Totally agree with all. In terms of scheme. I want to see more man coverage and less zone. Not saying ditch one for the other, its too late to bring the pattern matching back. But I think brock's strength is off man coverage. Lets play to our guys strengths. I would love to see brown play, same with easton and thomas. When kilgore gets back he should be the guy. Id love to see ward playing more slot with dontae on the outside and tartt in at ilb. Plus a passrushing line that features tank, armstead, harold, and lynch(actually rushing none of this pressing crap).

I wouldnt hold your breath on changes being made. This is a 3-13 season. The season will be easier on you if you just let reality set in and enjoy the young guys growth

The OL needs to take a spoon full of cement and toughen up

my grandma could push them backwards right now.

Come on, you guys...Davis has barely played and after 3 games with little action you want to replace him? Wow. He was a stud for Spurrier at So. Carolina...give the guy a break and some time to get the hang of the NFL. Cheez. He's hardly a big problem in contrast to our OL and inability to stop either the Steelers or Cards on defense. Without consistent pressure on veteran QB's like Big Ben or Palmer they're having a field day against us. Mangini has to find a pass rush somewhere. Kap with 4 picks isn't going to get it, have to agree there. That said, I also have to believe he's somewhat skitterish with the state of his OL. I think they'd have been better keeping Looney, but agree it's time to plug Easton in at C. He looks to have the right stuff to play the position. Put Brandon Thomas at RG and maybe Trent Brown at RT. They've got to do something...our OL is putrid and changes need to happen soonest.

It was at this moment Jed knew... He f**ked up.

This season is done. We can't do s**t right anymore. I feel really bad for the players, but it is what it is. The main questions we need answered are: Is Colin our long term QB? And, is Tomsula our long term coach?

I'm hopping the answer is no to both. I'm really upset with what ownership has done to this team. I want a fresh start in 2016, like we had when we first got JH. My wish is to get Jim Mora Jr, but that's ver unlikely.

Originally posted by SFTifoso:
My wish is to get Jim Mora Jr, but that's ver unlikely.

The Yorks reportedly have always been fond of Mora and have a good relationship with him so you may just get your wish anyways.

Originally posted by LA9erFan:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Bench Pears

Move Boone to RT

Play anyone at LG.

We have such little depth at OL its amazing.

That's kinda what I mean though. There are no obvious fixes. I'd like to see Easton play, but outside of him IDK what the heck we could do that wouldn't just be swishing the mouthwash from one cheek to another.

Put everyone on notice. No one's job should be safe: not the players, not the veterans, not the highly drafted, not the coaches. If you aren't getting it done, next man up. Let's get some real competition going. People play better when they're being pushed and now's the time to do it. Atleast we'll know who's worth keeping when the next regime comes in.

Originally posted by ninersrule4:
I wouldnt hold your breath on changes being made. This is a 3-13 season. The season will be easier on you if you just let reality set in and enjoy the young guys growth

three games and you have already thrown up your hands, i am glad i am not built that way