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theninermind · 2015-09-28T10:21:55-07:00

Well, we sat and wondered if perhaps last week was "just a bad day." And we proceeded to literally do nothing different. Well, not literally. We dropped our safeties back and covered the deep routes - so much so that crossing and seems were wide friggin open. But this offensive line problem is simply not going away. Marcus Martin is not ready, and may never be ready for the center position. I am 100 times more comfortable with him being at guard. Jordan Devey is straight up awful as is Eric Pears. And folks point to Week one, but those two were not good week 1 either. I believe Marcus Martin is the primary reason Joe Staley and Alex Boone have under performed. On the defensive side, I'm sorry, but Navorro Bowman needs to come out on 3rd downs. 1. it gives him rest, and 2. the dude isn't what he was in coverage. Mike Davis is a joke. I'm not too high on Jarryd Hayne as a running back, but the guy is better than Mike Davis. Hayne also needs to be returning kicks. This Grant Cohn BS about Hayne being our 3rd best returner is ridiculous. Send Vernon Davis up the friggin seem. He only succeeds over the middle. You traded for Nick Easton - so obviously you know you have a major problem at center. Play him already. My point is, we're 1-2. Which means this is potentially the most crucial game of the season. This team would be tremendously Nolan-esque and Singletary-ied if it went through the worst back-to-back defeats in franchise history and did nothing. And held no one accountable. And played the role of the friggin cheerleader. Stop worrying about the players' bodies and get it down that losing is unacceptable. And losing like that gets people fired mid-season.

Sep 28, 2015 at 4:07 PM

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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:
Could not agree more. There were great linemen available after Davis retired and before the season started we could have squired. Too bad...

Who were these great linemen exactly???

Guys like Mathis who has been terrible with the Broncos thus far?

Who were these stud linemen that in a league starved for OL talent somehow survived the entire FA,period?

Andy Levitre was acquired for a 6th round pick. Could have drafted Collins for a 5th. Unless you'd rather spend those late round picks on ACL projects.

[ Edited by ronniefreakinlott42 on Sep 28, 2015 at 4:09 PM ]

Sep 28, 2015 at 4:08 PM

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Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:
Sorry Phoenix, you got me. Pears and Devey are much better than Mathis and Levitre.

Mathis was likely never a realistic possibility, he turned down more money from other teams to join Denver and has looked marginally better than Devey thus far.

Levitre has a massive salary over the next three years, around $8 mil a year and has looked so-so thus far.

Who are the other stud linemen that the 49ers could have added to replace a guy like Davis?

[ Edited by Phoenix49ers on Sep 28, 2015 at 4:09 PM ]

Sep 28, 2015 at 4:10 PM

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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Mathis was likely never a realistic possibility, he turned down more money from other teams to join Denver and has looked marginally better than Devey thus far.

Levitre has a massive salary over the next three years and has looked so-so thus far.

Who are the other stud linemen that the 49ers could have added to replace a guy like Davis?

You get one of the guards mentioned and kick Boone to tackle. Who are we so cap stretched by that we couldn't afford Levitre?

Sep 28, 2015 at 4:11 PM

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Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:
Andy Levitre was acquired for a 6th round pick. Could have drafted Collins for a 5th. Unless you'd rather spend those late round picks on ACL projects.

Not a single team drafted Collins because no team wanted to be the one to have potentially drafted an alleged murderer. Not sure how any team can be blamed for that. The guy was beyond radioactive at the time.

[ Edited by Phoenix49ers on Sep 28, 2015 at 4:15 PM ]

Sep 28, 2015 at 4:14 PM

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Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:
You get one of the guards mentioned and kick Boone to tackle. Who are we so cap stretched by that we couldn't afford Levitre?

It would be a stupid investment to hand that much money to a guy who had basically fallen off the roster in Tennessee. I'd rather see them sign a premium free agent next year with that money than someones leftovers.

Had Levitre been released, sure, absolutely I would have expected the 49ers to pursue him, but taking on that massive contract the way Atlanta did, to me that would be a Donahue lije move, just total desperation.

[ Edited by Phoenix49ers on Sep 28, 2015 at 4:14 PM ]

Sep 28, 2015 at 4:16 PM

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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:
Andy Levitre was acquired for a 6th round pick. Could have drafted Collins for a 5th. Unless you'd rather spend those late round picks on ACL projects.

Not a single team drafted Collins because no team wanted to be the one to have potentially drafted an alleged murderer. Not sure how any team can be blamed. The guy was beyond radioactive at the time.

Collins agent told all 32 teams he would not sign with any team if he was drafted after the 3rd round period. So nobody was willing to throw a 1,2,3 pick for a guy that might never play. I am sure many teams thought about a 5th or 6th to "take a risk" on him but he made it clear he was not signing

Sep 28, 2015 at 4:18 PM

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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:
You get one of the guards mentioned and kick Boone to tackle. Who are we so cap stretched by that we couldn't afford Levitre?

It would be a stupid investment to hand that much money to a guy who had basically fallen off the roster in Tennessee. I'd rather see them sign a premium free agent next year with that money than someones leftovers.

Had Levitre been released, sure, absolutely I would have expected the 49ers to pursue him, but taking on that massive contract the way Atlanta did, to me that would be a Donahue lije move, just total desperation.

Was actually hoping we'd signed Atlanta's other guard, Chris Chester, after the Redskins released him. Experienced in the zone-blocking scheme, played under Foerster in Washington and Baltimore. Ended up following Shanahan to Atlanta. Don't know if we made a play for him, but he's playing well right now.

Sep 28, 2015 at 4:22 PM

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Originally posted by leakyfausett:
Collins agent told all 32 teams he would not sign with any team if he was drafted after the 3rd round period. So nobody was willing to throw a 1,2,3 pick for a guy that might never play. I am sure many teams thought about a 5th or 6th to "take a risk" on him but he made it clear he was not signing

Were it me making the decision, Id have used a 7th rounder on him without any hesitation. Most 7th rounders flush out in less than 2 years anyways, but I do understand why teams would have been reluctant to do so.

Sep 28, 2015 at 4:24 PM

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Originally posted by leakyfausett:
Collins agent told all 32 teams he would not sign with any team if he was drafted after the 3rd round period. So nobody was willing to throw a 1,2,3 pick for a guy that might never play. I am sure many teams thought about a 5th or 6th to "take a risk" on him but he made it clear he was not signing

Then he'd never play. That's how a draft works. And no team is going to let a late round pick Manning their way out of town. Pretty sure he'd change his mind.

Sep 28, 2015 at 4:29 PM

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Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:

Originally posted by leakyfausett:
Collins agent told all 32 teams he would not sign with any team if he was drafted after the 3rd round period. So nobody was willing to throw a 1,2,3 pick for a guy that might never play. I am sure many teams thought about a 5th or 6th to "take a risk" on him but he made it clear he was not signing

Then he'd never play. That's how a draft works. And no team is going to let a late round pick Manning their way out of town. Pretty sure he'd change his mind.

Well he wasn't drafted and he is playing so I guess he and his agent knew what they were doing.

Sep 28, 2015 at 4:45 PM

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Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Bench Pears

Move Boone to RT

Play anyone at LG.

We have such little depth at OL its amazing.

Could have resigned Iupati, could have signed Evan Mathis, could have drafted a guard early, but didn't do any of those things to addiquitely replace the LG position or replace Anthony Davis at Right Tackle. Instead, Baalke holds out and decides to gamble the season with cheaper, unproven options and guess what? We get what we pay for. This is all on Baalke, in my opinion, he hired the head coach, he's responsible for the team's roster. It's time for the formally known "executive of the year" to step down.

Sep 28, 2015 at 4:47 PM

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Originally posted by vermonator:
Could have resigned Iupati, could have signed Evan Mathis, could have drafted a guard early, but didn't do any of those things to addiquitely replace the LG position or replace Anthony Davis at Right Tackle. Instead, Baalke holds out and decides to gamble the season with cheaper, unproven options and guess what? We get what we pay for. This is all on Baalke, in my opinion, he hired the head coach, he's responsible for the team's roster. It's time for the formally known "executive of the year" to step down.

Letting Iupati walk was the right move. $8 mil per season was outrageous for him. One of the best run blockers there is, but he can't stay healthy, and never will. It will only get worse as he gets older. I highly doubt AZ gets their money's worth for him. They seem to be doing just fine without him.

[ Edited by SofaKing on Sep 28, 2015 at 4:48 PM ]

Sep 28, 2015 at 4:52 PM

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Originally posted by SofaKing:
Letting Iupati walk was the right move. $8 mil per season was outrageous for him. One of the best run blockers there is, but he can't stay healthy, and never will. It will only get worse as he gets older. I highly doubt AZ gets their money's worth for him. They seem to be doing just fine without him.

Still, Baalke could have been more proactive and hedged his bets. After Kilgore, none of the OL on the roster, besides Boone and Staley, are starting material.

[ Edited by vermonator on Sep 28, 2015 at 4:53 PM ]

Sep 28, 2015 at 4:55 PM

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Originally posted by SofaKing:
Normally don't say radical changes need to be made after 3 weeks, but when you lose by a combined score of 90-25 in 2 games, you need to make some big changes. Both to the scheme and to the starting lineup.

I don't know how feasible it is to change scheme in the middle of the year, so we have to at least shuffle the lineup and try to get better execution, especially on the o-line and pass rush.

Brandon Thomas and Trent Brown need to play. Maybe Easton too. Devey and Pears are a waste of time. Both are terrible and have no potential. Every game they play we miss out on an opportunity to see if these young guys can step up and be better.

Defensively we need more of Armstead, Tartt, and Harold. Armstead is raw, but he still brings a more well-rounded game than any of our DEs. He's a good run-stopper and has some pass rush skill.

Harold brings more speed and natural pass rush ability than Brooks at this point.

Tartt is a playmaker. Between him and Ward, we should be playing more 4 safety looks like the Cardinals do. That's where the strength of the defense is. We invested a ton in the safety position, it's time to play these guys. More coverage ability on the field should help the pass defense.

Agree

Sep 28, 2015 at 4:55 PM

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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:
Could not agree more. There were great linemen available after Davis retired and before the season started we could have squired. Too bad...

Who were these great linemen exactly???

Guys like Mathis who has been terrible with the Broncos thus far?

Who were these stud linemen that in a league starved for OL talent somehow survived the entire FA,period?

Come on, Phoenix. You know they don't have to be studs to be better than what we have.