Colin Kaepernick Thread

Originally posted by English:
Regardless of how Kaepernick is playing, it has been somewhat disappointing over the last couple of years that we haven't had a prospect in the hutch developing. We didn't do it when we has the apparent qb whisperer and we haven't don't it now. It's no knock on Kaepernick to be developing a youngster.

I had hoped that Johnson, as someone JH knew, was a better QB than TB thought he was. Evidently not. Gabbert may be though and he is a bit younger than CK (two years). Thompson is on the PS but didn't show much in preseason.

I thought it short sited to trade Smith so soon but it may have been disruptive to keep him.

Originally posted by philosoraptor:

I agree Luck has some terrible games. But he is forced to carry his team game in and game out. Kap is rarely asked to do this. Luck is a much better qb, its not a question. None of his teams talent wise could even hold the jock strap of the harbaugh era teams though. You put luck on those teams ,where he only needs to throw 20-30 times a game and put up 21 points, and we are talking about a dynasty.

I agree, he is the better QB but he also plays in a much softer conference and way worse division. His offensive system fits him; and the talent there with Wayne, Hilton, Fleener/Allen last couple years and now Johnson, Hilton, Dorsett, Fleener and Gore was/is very good and complimentary. Kap had good names but bad fits with Boldin, Johnson and Crabtree last year (not mentioning Vernon because he is clearly not the same player he was a couple years ago). Those guys don't compliment each at all because there is no speed there and trying to get Crabtree behind a defense was pointless.

Fact is, Kap has won more playoff games vs better teams than Luck has, period. I will admit if you take Luck off of that team they win two or three games tops but Luck pretty much has a cake walk to the playoffs in that cup cake division. Then he has been blown out two straight years and turns the ball over more than anybody despite having great weapons. His decision making just sucks quite a bit...

Just wanted to remind everyone that having Alex around in 2012 as a backup was an under-appreciated asset we no longer have.

Is it just me or does Kap sometimes sound like he just inhaled some pot when he talks. That tight face I don't want to exhale fast voice.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Is it just me or does Kap sometimes sound like he just inhaled some pot when he talks. That tight face I don't want to exhale fast voice.

His vocal cords are weak like his game. Its a perfect match

Originally posted by Sims84:

Originally posted by philosoraptor:
I agree Luck has some terrible games. But he is forced to carry his team game in and game out. Kap is rarely asked to do this. Luck is a much better qb, its not a question. None of his teams talent wise could even hold the jock strap of the harbaugh era teams though. You put luck on those teams ,where he only needs to throw 20-30 times a game and put up 21 points, and we are talking about a dynasty.

I agree, he is the better QB but he also plays in a much softer conference and way worse division. His offensive system fits him; and the talent there with Wayne, Hilton, Fleener/Allen last couple years and now Johnson, Hilton, Dorsett, Fleener and Gore was/is very good and complimentary. Kap had good names but bad fits with Boldin, Johnson and Crabtree last year (not mentioning Vernon because he is clearly not the same player he was a couple years ago). Those guys don't compliment each at all because there is no speed there and trying to get Crabtree behind a defense was pointless.

Fact is, Kap has won more playoff games vs better teams than Luck has, period. I will admit if you take Luck off of that team they win two or three games tops but Luck pretty much has a cake walk to the playoffs in that cup cake division. Then he has been blown out two straight years and turns the ball over more than anybody despite having great weapons. His decision making just sucks quite a bit...

Little exaggerated there. Until this year it was pretty much fleener(Above average) dwayne allen(above average), and hilton(very good but limited). His oline isnt good, and his defense is average and on a good day. He has also never been supported with an even avergae run game.

Not saying he is perfect. But luck never had the luxury of having our defense that could keep a game very close, or our big oline with gore running behind it. I agree luck wins because his division blows. But he did get wins aganist KC, denver, and the bengals. Nothing to hang your hat on but, considering his team would probably be picking the top 5 without him, its pretty good.

I think luck is slightly overrated Right now to be honest, and i like kap. But luck is the future best qb in the league.

PIG ARE OFFICIAL FLYING!!!

Mike Florio in all his hate bating glory actual wrote about how Kaep can be salvaged:

In this age of overreactions and gleefully tearing down those we've built up, many have declared that 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick is done.

He's not. At least not yet.

The guy has talent; it's undeniable. But the 49ers need to use him in a way that maximizes those talents and minimizes his flaws.

Kaepernick bears some of the blame. His desire to change who he is by working on becoming a pocket passer and trying to consciously take some of the speed off of his fastball has made him too conscious at times of how forcefully he's throwing the ball. Kaepernick needs to just deliver the pass and let the receivers figure out how to catch it; that's their job.

The offensive linemen need to do their jobs better, too. All too often against the Steelers in Week Two, Kaepernick faced a swarm of defenders before he could even begin to figure out what to do. They need to give him enough time to make a decision on whether to throw or to run.

And he should be encouraged to run. But for a Sean-Taylor-on-Brian-Moorman-style hit that Kaepernick absorbed from Vikings safety Harrison Smith, Kaepernick has been able to protect himself, getting to the ground either by sliding or by an awkward-but-still-effective collapse to the ground.

Finally, the 49ers need to tell Kaepernick to never throw off his back foot. Too many of his throws in the pocket to the sidelines originate from that awkward position, resulting in balls that float and flutter and get picked off. He needs to drive the ball, like he does when he's throwing it between the numbers.

So, yes, there are plenty of things Kaepernick does well. Coaching is about putting him in position to do the things he does well, and not requiring him to do the things he doesn't do well.

Originally posted by philosoraptor:

Little exaggerated there. Until this year it was pretty much fleener(Above average) dwayne allen(above average), and hilton(very good but limited). His oline isnt good, and his defense is average and on a good day. He has also never been supported with an even avergae run game.

Not saying he is perfect. But luck never had the luxury of having our defense that could keep a game very close, or our big oline with gore running behind it. I agree luck wins because his division blows. But he did get wins aganist KC, denver, and the bengals. Nothing to hang your hat on but, considering his team would probably be picking the top 5 without him, its pretty good.

I think luck is slightly overrated Right now to be honest, and i like kap. But luck is the future best qb in the league.

Don't forget Wayne who is a future HOF and had a great year in 2012 before getting injured. Hilton by himself is not great, but across from Wayne he is very explosive and great at the role they need him to play which is a field stretcher and big play guy.

Granted Luck did not have our defense to help keep games low but you can't honestly expect our defense to be that dominant if they had a QB who makes bad decisions so much that it leads to so many turnovers can you? Kap may not be the overall QB that Luck is but he certainly does not give the ball away like Luck does which would've severely put our defense in hard times.

I too believe Luck is the future (although I'm really liking Carr and Mariota at the moment) but right now, he gets no pass for all of those mistakes. People say Kap can't read a defense but hell, Luck leads the league in turnovers since last year so what does that tell you about Luck

Originally posted by philosoraptor:
I agree Luck has some terrible games. But he is forced to carry his team game in and game out. Kap is rarely asked to do this. Luck is a much better qb, its not a question. None of his teams talent wise could even hold the jock strap of the harbaugh era teams though. You put luck on those teams ,where he only needs to throw 20-30 times a game and put up 21 points, and we are talking about a dynasty.

So putting Luck on the 49ers automatically means he doesn't make the careless, boneheaded throws into double and triple coverage and brain fart throws that he has consistently made in playoff games?

It's disappointing to me how quickly 49er "fans" are to excuse crap performances of other teams QB's and hold them to zero accountability and pretend they would magically never make mistakes if they had the 49ers D - notice how I say the 49ers D and not overall talent? Luck has had much better WR's since he has been in the NFL and the pass protection has been a wash at best.

Luck has laid some major eggs in playoff games. Kap has had one terrible QUARTER of playoff football- besides that, he CARRIED the 49ers in W's over Green Bay, Atlanta and damn near the Super Bowl where our "talented" D gave up 34 points to the Baltimore Ravens, dug us a 17 point hole ON THE ROAD in Atlanta and gave up 28 at home to Green Bay.

Kap also led a GW TD drive in a blizzard at Green Bay, picked apart the #2 D in Carolina on the road in the playoffs and CARRIED our entire offense against Seattle on the road and came closer to beating Seattle than QB's like Drew Brees, Peyton Manning and Aaron Rodgers got.

But ya, let's pretend that Andrew Luck, who has a history of giving games away in the playoffs based on his individual play, would magically do better than Kap, whose history and individual performance in the playoffs has been better than any QB the last few years.

Originally posted by philosoraptor:
Little exaggerated there. Until this year it was pretty much fleener(Above average) dwayne allen(above average), and hilton(very good but limited). His oline isnt good, and his defense is average and on a good day. He has also never been supported with an even avergae run game.

Not saying he is perfect. But luck never had the luxury of having our defense that could keep a game very close, or our big oline with gore running behind it. I agree luck wins because his division blows. But he did get wins aganist KC, denver, and the bengals. Nothing to hang your hat on but, considering his team would probably be picking the top 5 without him, its pretty good.

I think luck is slightly overrated Right now to be honest, and i like kap. But luck is the future best qb in the league.

Reggie Wayne is a HOFer, perennial 1k WR until he got injured, and a battle tested Super Bowl Champion.

TY Hilton is as good of a big play WR as there is in the NFL and more effective running short routes than he is given credit for. He is a legit star WR in the NFL even if he isn't a hyped up media darling. He is sure handed, lightning fast in and out of his breaks and gives Luck HUGE windows to throw into.

Coby Fleener isn't Vernon Davis, but Dwayne Allen is a starting caliber TE who is a much bigger threat and more reliable than anyone we've had playing TE isnce Delanie Walker left.

OL is a wash the last 2 years. The men on paper - Kilgore, Iupati, Anthony Davis - missed a ton of time last year and are MIA this year. We are the better run blocking unit, but that fact is null and void when talking about how it helps a QB in the pocket.

Listen, Luck is a GREAT talent, I think he will be a HOFer one day and is obviously better in certain regards as a passer than Kap... but they are also in completely different situations.

Guess who leads the NFL in turnovers right now that is playing with a fully loaded skill player corps and the same coaching staff/offfense the last 3 years?

Hint: It's not Kaepernick

Go Kaepernick

Originally posted by MannySoopa49ersnMD:
PIG ARE OFFICIAL FLYING!!!

Mike Florio in all his hate bating glory actual wrote about how Kaep can be salvaged:

In this age of overreactions and gleefully tearing down those we've built up, many have declared that 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick is done.

He's not. At least not yet.

The guy has talent; it's undeniable. But the 49ers need to use him in a way that maximizes those talents and minimizes his flaws.

Kaepernick bears some of the blame. His desire to change who he is by working on becoming a pocket passer and trying to consciously take some of the speed off of his fastball has made him too conscious at times of how forcefully he's throwing the ball. Kaepernick needs to just deliver the pass and let the receivers figure out how to catch it; that's their job.

The offensive linemen need to do their jobs better, too. All too often against the Steelers in Week Two, Kaepernick faced a swarm of defenders before he could even begin to figure out what to do. They need to give him enough time to make a decision on whether to throw or to run.

And he should be encouraged to run. But for a Sean-Taylor-on-Brian-Moorman-style hit that Kaepernick absorbed from Vikings safety Harrison Smith, Kaepernick has been able to protect himself, getting to the ground either by sliding or by an awkward-but-still-effective collapse to the ground.

Finally, the 49ers need to tell Kaepernick to never throw off his back foot. Too many of his throws in the pocket to the sidelines originate from that awkward position, resulting in balls that float and flutter and get picked off. He needs to drive the ball, like he does when he's throwing it between the numbers.

So, yes, there are plenty of things Kaepernick does well. Coaching is about putting him in position to do the things he does well, and not requiring him to do the things he doesn't do well.

I agree with these comments that Kap is talented and they have to be used the right way.................. but unfortunately I do not see an out for Kap in this situation. I like Kap personally but the way we have moved on from Harbaugh who was the guy who drafted him, Kap is going to get the blame for every loss and every mistake that he makes will be magnified. The Oline is sooooooooo bad that I don't see how he will succeed this year. Can't consistently run the ball with Hyde, and can't go through progressions because the line allows a DT to come in on 43%? of the plays. Even if they got better on offense, the defense is a complete mess as well so instead of playing conservative and having Kap throw 15-20 times a game, we will be down alot in most games that Kap will have to throw 30-40 times a game. That's not going to be good for him. Not trying to be pessimistic but it will just feel like a wasted year. Never get to see if he progressed as a pocket QB because there is no pocket on most plays.

I feel bad for him because I think this will run him out of town and I think that's what Baalke wants.

Originally posted by Joecool:
His delivery comes with his footwork. In the first game, his feet were set better and wider. This allows him to deliver quicker because the distance he takes to step into the throw is shorter. This past game, he was nearly straight up on some plays which results in a longer step into the throw which leads to a longer wind up...like a pitcher starting his throw with feet together.

Unfortunately, when things go bad, Kap loses poise and completely loses his fundys.

Brother... EVERY QB loses their fundamentals when there is intense pressure in their face. There is only so much even great pocket manipulators and athletes like Aaron Rodgers - who I personally think has the talent to be the GOAT - when blocks are missed and the pressure hits home.

The mistakes Kap made last game were that he just shouldn't have thrown the ball and ate the sack, period. He committed the cardinal sin (pun intended) of exactly what you're not supposed to under THAT kind of duress.

It doesn't excuse the bad decision making of making a late throw, but it also doesn't excuse horrendous pass blocking.

No, I'm not excusing Kap, but when a QB who has proven on tape numerous times that he is capable of big time passing performances against good opponents on big stages has a 67 yd, 4 INT outing.... every player and coach on that offense had a big hand in it.

Sunday wasn't tough to watch just because of Kap's performance, it was tough to watch because of what's in store for this teams future with this group of coaches calling the shots.

Originally posted by tohara3:
Go Kaepernick

To Washington hopefully

Originally posted by LowerTheBoom:

Originally posted by philosoraptor:

Little exaggerated there. Until this year it was pretty much fleener(Above average) dwayne allen(above average), and hilton(very good but limited). His oline isnt good, and his defense is average and on a good day. He has also never been supported with an even avergae run game.

Not saying he is perfect. But luck never had the luxury of having our defense that could keep a game very close, or our big oline with gore running behind it. I agree luck wins because his division blows. But he did get wins aganist KC, denver, and the bengals. Nothing to hang your hat on but, considering his team would probably be picking the top 5 without him, its pretty good.

I think luck is slightly overrated Right now to be honest, and i like kap. But luck is the future best qb in the league.

Reggie Wayne is a HOFer, perennial 1k WR until he got injured, and a battle tested Super Bowl Champion.

TY Hilton is as good of a big play WR as there is in the NFL and more effective running short routes than he is given credit for. He is a legit star WR in the NFL even if he isn't a hyped up media darling. He is sure handed, lightning fast in and out of his breaks and gives Luck HUGE windows to throw into.

Coby Fleener isn't Vernon Davis, but Dwayne Allen is a starting caliber TE who is a much bigger threat and more reliable than anyone we've had playing TE isnce Delanie Walker left.

OL is a wash the last 2 years. The men on paper - Kilgore, Iupati, Anthony Davis - missed a ton of time last year and are MIA this year. We are the better run blocking unit, but that fact is null and void when talking about how it helps a QB in the pocket.

Listen, Luck is a GREAT talent, I think he will be a HOFer one day and is obviously better in certain regards as a passer than Kap... but they are also in completely different situations.

Guess who leads the NFL in turnovers right now that is playing with a fully loaded skill player corps and the same coaching staff/offfense the last 3 years?

Hint: It's not Kaepernick

Fully loaded skill player corps! Have you even watched a Colts game this year?