Colin Kaepernick Thread

Originally posted by jacklegniner:
I agree with these comments that Kap is talented and they have to be used the right way.................. but unfortunately I do not see an out for Kap in this situation. I like Kap personally but the way we have moved on from Harbaugh who was the guy who drafted him, Kap is going to get the blame for every loss and every mistake that he makes will be magnified. The Oline is sooooooooo bad that I don't see how he will succeed this year. Can't consistently run the ball with Hyde, and can't go through progressions because the line allows a DT to come in on 43%? of the plays. Even if they got better on offense, the defense is a complete mess as well so instead of playing conservative and having Kap throw 15-20 times a game, we will be down alot in most games that Kap will have to throw 30-40 times a game. That's not going to be good for him. Not trying to be pessimistic but it will just feel like a wasted year. Never get to see if he progressed as a pocket QB because there is no pocket on most plays.

I feel bad for him because I think this will run him out of town and I think that's what Baalke wants.

You bring up an interesting point-- when Harbaugh took the job, it was partly on the premise that HE would get to hand pick his QB, which he did in Kap.

Althought Baalke has made SOME excellent personnel moves, it's not hard to surmise that the man is a power hungry control freak that likes things done his way, and likes to get the credit for it. The Harbaugh firing was in a way say ing "Eff you, Jim, you were successful because of the roster that I assembled, not because you're a great HC".

It's not out of the realm of possibility that Baalke, who has York's unwavering support and job security, might have purposely set this season up as a "throw away" rebuilding year in order to not just run Kap out of town with the fan bases blessing...

...but also to try and smear Harbaugh's evaluation skills and further cement home the misconception that Harbaugh set the 49ers back, not him.

Originally posted by aTx49er:
Fully loaded skill player corps! Have you even watched a Colts game this year?

Here we go again, another poster that can't separate individual talent vs team cohesion.

Just because the Colts' offense looks like s**t doesn't mean that Luck isn't surrounded by a ton of talent. Have you been paying attention to anything all off-season? You realize that MOST people picked the Colts as Super Bowl favorites, right? Do you think they did that because Luck would be "carrying" a talentless offense?

Luck has more and has played worse than Kap this year. He has 2x as many turnovers as Kap, yet you people are pretending like he would play much better than Kap on a worse team with clueless coaches.

When Luck makes dumb throws into coverage, misses open WR's, is off target or scrambling for his life, it's the Colts' fault. When Kap is throwing behind the 2 worst rated OL from last year with the least qualified offensive coaches... it's 100% on Kap?

Bill Walsh's most important quality in a quarterback was "athletic instincts". He was never specific about what that entailed, but several of the things we talk about Kaepernick do come to mind.

Would you include getting your feet set properly before you throw? Pocket movements? Receiver anticipation? Blitz anticipation? Reading the defense to make a pre snap decision to hit a receiver in 1.5 seconds? Putting the right amount of touch on the ball for the situation? Changing the order of your progressions based on defensive line ups, or pre snap movements? Keeping your eyes downfield to make a pass play work as long as possible. Making consistently good game situation decisions? Going through progressions quickly? Throwing receivers open? Making changes to your plan accurately and quickly?

I submit this was Bill's number one criteria because it's something you must bring to the table, as you can't really teach it. You can improve the symptoms to some extent, but you can't treat the underlying problem.

We still fapping or nah?

Originally posted by LowerTheBoom:

You bring up an interesting point-- when Harbaugh took the job, it was partly on the premise that HE would get to hand pick his QB, which he did in Kap.

Althought Baalke has made SOME excellent personnel moves, it's not hard to surmise that the man is a power hungry control freak that likes things done his way, and likes to get the credit for it. The Harbaugh firing was in a way say ing "Eff you, Jim, you were successful because of the roster that I assembled, not because you're a great HC".

It's not out of the realm of possibility that Baalke, who has York's unwavering support and job security, might have purposely set this season up as a "throw away" rebuilding year in order to not just run Kap out of town with the fan bases blessing...

...but also to try and smear Harbaugh's evaluation skills and further cement home the misconception that Harbaugh set the 49ers back, not him.

I don't think this is true at all. Nothing from anything I've seen from Trent Baalke screams power hungry control freak who wants all the credit. Jim Harbaugh however.

No way a GM would throw away a year. If he was throwing it away why even do interviews with Gase? Clearly Baalke saw the offense needing a change at some point. Perhaps he changed his mind or York made the decision but I highly doubt he hired Tomsula so he could run Kap out of town. He could've cut Kap in the offseason with much of the faithfuls blessing.

Bad Game....move on and lets beat the Packers

Originally posted by LowerTheBoom:
Here we go again, another poster that can't separate individual talent vs team cohesion.

Just because the Colts' offense looks like s**t doesn't mean that Luck isn't surrounded by a ton of talent. Have you been paying attention to anything all off-season? You realize that MOST people picked the Colts as Super Bowl favorites, right? Do you think they did that because Luck would be "carrying" a talentless offense?

Luck has more and has played worse than Kap this year. He has 2x as many turnovers as Kap, yet you people are pretending like he would play much better than Kap on a worse team with clueless coaches.

When Luck makes dumb throws into coverage, misses open WR's, is off target or scrambling for his life, it's the Colts' fault. When Kap is throwing behind the 2 worst rated OL from last year with the least qualified offensive coaches... it's 100% on Kap?

I agree, and it's all about the offensive line. People tend to severely overrate skill position players. They assume that because a QB has weapons, he has no excuses not to produce.

People severely underrate the importance of offensive line play, and relating specifically to the QB, the pass protection. The pass protection for Luck has been down right atrocious, just like it's been for Kap. I'm really not surprised at all both QBs are getting rattled behind bad pass protection and making errant throws.

I will say Luck is considerably more advanced as a pocket passer, but he's not any less mistake prone when he doesn't get adequate protection. All QBs need pass protection, or their game falls apart. I'll pull up the PFF stats for pressure v. no pressure later. It's alarming what an impact it has on any QBs ability to succeed.

Originally posted by 80849er4life:
Bad Game....move on and lets beat the Packers

Nicely and succinctly put!

Originally posted by LowerTheBoom:

Originally posted by aTx49er:

Fully loaded skill player corps! Have you even watched a Colts game this year?

Here we go again, another poster that can't separate individual talent vs team cohesion.

Just because the Colts' offense looks like s**t doesn't mean that Luck isn't surrounded by a ton of talent. Have you been paying attention to anything all off-season? You realize that MOST people picked the Colts as Super Bowl favorites, right? Do you think they did that because Luck would be "carrying" a talentless offense?

Luck has more and has played worse than Kap this year. He has 2x as many turnovers as Kap, yet you people are pretending like he would play much better than Kap on a worse team with clueless coaches.

When Luck makes dumb throws into coverage, misses open WR's, is off target or scrambling for his life, it's the Colts' fault. When Kap is throwing behind the 2 worst rated OL from last year with the least qualified offensive coaches... it's 100% on Kap?

Yeah you didn't answer my question so I'm guessing you haven't seen a game at all. Basing everything you've seen from ESPN highlights.

Originally posted by BOI49er:
Bill Walsh's most important quality in a quarterback was "athletic instincts". He was never specific about what that entailed, but several of the things we talk about Kaepernick do come to mind.

Would you include getting your feet set properly before you throw? Pocket movements? Receiver anticipation? Blitz anticipation? Reading the defense to make a pre snap decision to hit a receiver in 1.5 seconds? Putting the right amount of touch on the ball for the situation? Changing the order of your progressions based on defensive line ups, or pre snap movements? Keeping your eyes downfield to make a pass play work as long as possible. Making consistently good game situation decisions? Going through progressions quickly? Throwing receivers open? Making changes to your plan accurately and quickly?

I submit this was Bill's number one criteria because it's something you must bring to the table, as you can't really teach it. You can improve the symptoms to some extent, but you can't treat the underlying problem.

You mention about a dozen things and then paraphrase Walsh saying it's his number one criteria.

My recollection is that Walsh said he could teach foot placement, drops, ball placement...all the skills of a great QB. What he couldn't teach is the heart. He watched Montana's comebacks at ND and new he had the heart to win...just needed to learn and develop his skills. That's why he started every mini-camp with fundamentals re-training...three step drop, five step drop, vision discipline to keep DBs from reading your eyes, etc.

Did I misunderstand your post?

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
I don't think this is true at all. Nothing from anything I've seen from Trent Baalke screams power hungry control freak who wants all the credit. Jim Harbaugh however.

No way a GM would throw away a year. If he was throwing it away why even do interviews with Gase? Clearly Baalke saw the offense needing a change at some point. Perhaps he changed his mind or York made the decision but I highly doubt he hired Tomsula so he could run Kap out of town. He could've cut Kap in the offseason with much of the faithfuls blessing.

Of course everything I said is specualtion and I agree it's a bit far fetched for a GM to throw a whole season away to prove a point...

I just don't know if it's completely out of the realm of possibility given that Baalke was willing to throw the 2nd most winningest coach in the NFL and a potential dynasty by doing what he did to Harbaugh.

The Harbaugh firing had EVERYTHING to do with ego, be it from Jed York or Baalke or both - and nothing to do with winning or what's for the good of the team's future.

Although I ultimately agree with you that it probably wasn't the case, it's hard at this point to go to bat for a GM who signed off on such a s**t coaching staff in a year where they knew anything short of a Super Bowl - by his and York's voiced expectation - would be a disappointment.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by 80849er4life:
Bad Game....move on and lets beat the Packers

Nicely and succinctly put!

Here, here.

Originally posted by 80849er4life:
Bad Game....move on and lets beat the Packers

Originally posted by aTx49er:
Yeah you didn't answer my question so I'm guessing you haven't seen a game at all. Basing everything you've seen from ESPN highlights.

If you can't tell by my factual observations that I cited that I've watched the games, then that's on you and you're no longer worth conversing with.

Sorry, I don't deal with people who think posing irrelevant, rhetorical questions bear more weight than what actually happens on tape.

Let me translate for everyone what you are attempting to say without any factual support:

"When Luck's offense looks terrible, it's everyone else's fault. When Kap's offense looks terrible, it's his fault".

Have a good day.

Originally posted by LowerTheBoom:

Originally posted by aTx49er:

Yeah you didn't answer my question so I'm guessing you haven't seen a game at all. Basing everything you've seen from ESPN highlights.

If you can't tell by my factual observations that I cited that I've watched the games, then that's on you and you're no longer worth conversing with.

Sorry, I don't deal with people who think posing irrelevant, rhetorical questions bear more weight than what actually happens on tape.

Let me translate for everyone what you are attempting to say without any factual support:

"When Luck's offense looks terrible, it's everyone else's fault. When Kap's offense looks terrible, it's his fault".

Have a good day.