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Originally posted by SofaKing:
I agree, and it's all about the offensive line. People tend to severely overrate skill position players. They assume that because a QB has weapons, he has no excuses not to produce.

People severely underrate the importance of offensive line play, and relating specifically to the QB, the pass protection. The pass protection for Luck has been down right atrocious, just like it's been for Kap. I'm really not surprised at all both QBs are getting rattled behind bad pass protection and making errant throws.

I will say Luck is considerably more advanced as a pocket passer, but he's not any less mistake prone when he doesn't get adequate protection. All QBs need pass protection, or their game falls apart. I'll pull up the PFF stats for pressure v. no pressure later. It's alarming what an impact it has on any QBs ability to succeed.

Luck is far more advanced at putting touch on his passes, going through progressions and keeping his fundamentals intact under pressure. He is also better at scrambling to throw, not run, although Kap has shown signs of improvement.

Those are the things that make Luck a better passer.

All things considered, Luck is far more mistake prone in high stakes playoff contests and not as productive.

I'm an Andrew Luck fan. I think he has a greatness written all over him and will EVENTUALLY be as good in the playoffs as he is the regular season, but it's impossible to have an objective conversation about him vs. Kap when people want to dismiss and excuse every s**t decision and performance Luck has all the while discrediting every big game that Kap has.
Originally posted by English:
Regardless of how Kaepernick is playing, it has been somewhat disappointing over the last couple of years that we haven't had a prospect in the hutch developing. We didn't do it when we has the apparent qb whisperer and we haven't don't it now. It's no knock on Kaepernick to be developing a youngster.

I think this is one of those things where the theory is more sound than the reality. Simply having a "prospect to develop" guarantees nothing other than having a fresh face to turn to when fans are clamoring for change.

For every Tony Romo, Tom Brady or Kurt Warner there are 20 Cody Pickett's, Geno Smith's and Casey Clausen's, and another 5 Matt Cassel's or Matt Schaubs that give you fools gold for a season or two before you realize they did more damage by setting your team back a couple years from finding a real QB.

Exactly how hard it is to land a perennial Top 10 QB is the reason why it's so foolish to pull the plug on Kap during a period of overall franchise shortcomings when he has shown us more than a handful of glimpses of greatness.
Originally posted by LowerTheBoom:
Originally posted by SofaKing:
I agree, and it's all about the offensive line. People tend to severely overrate skill position players. They assume that because a QB has weapons, he has no excuses not to produce.

People severely underrate the importance of offensive line play, and relating specifically to the QB, the pass protection. The pass protection for Luck has been down right atrocious, just like it's been for Kap. I'm really not surprised at all both QBs are getting rattled behind bad pass protection and making errant throws.

I will say Luck is considerably more advanced as a pocket passer, but he's not any less mistake prone when he doesn't get adequate protection. All QBs need pass protection, or their game falls apart. I'll pull up the PFF stats for pressure v. no pressure later. It's alarming what an impact it has on any QBs ability to succeed.

Luck is far more advanced at putting touch on his passes, going through progressions and keeping his fundamentals intact under pressure. He is also better at scrambling to throw, not run, although Kap has shown signs of improvement.

Those are the things that make Luck a better passer.

All things considered, Luck is far more mistake prone in high stakes playoff contests and not as productive.

I'm an Andrew Luck fan. I think he has a greatness written all over him and will EVENTUALLY be as good in the playoffs as he is the regular season, but it's impossible to have an objective conversation about him vs. Kap when people want to dismiss and excuse every s**t decision and performance Luck has all the while discrediting every big game that Kap has.

Im not discrediting kap's performances. He is fantastic in big games situations and i think get way to much s**t on here. But luck, is turn over prone because he has almost always had to force things more then kap. Because he is nearly his own offense. (If you dont get why this is important, then we should jsut stop having this conversation cause you just dont get it) Yes luck has been owned in the playoffs a couple times. I dont think that is nearly indicative of him as his team, can you say the teams he has been on are as talented as (or close to) the seahawks, 2011-2013 niners, broncos, cardinals, and other uber talented teams from the recent past? You put Luck on those teams, when he doesnt have to force the issue. He is probably turning the ball over less. i dont think its close.

Fleener has 5 cataches this year and one good season this year, allen hasnt done s**t, hilton's fantastic, wayne didnt do anything since his(luck's) rookie year, andre johnson has 7 catches, gore hasnt done anything.

Running backs are as follows:
Vick ballard
trent richardson
ahmad bradshaw
frank gore at 33.

His offensive line is very meh, decent pass protectors but below average as runblockers. His defense has vontae davis and...........trent cole........laron landry.......and I cant name any one else on that defense off the top of my head.

Seriously, you act like its solely his fault they lose. Just like people shouldnt act like its solely kap's fault when we lose. Kap is good with the potential to be very good, to maybe great. Luck is very good (considering his situation), with the potential to be(and most likely will be) great.
This post is to all the true niner fans and how we can achieve change and whats truly happened to this team. True answer as much as it hurts is we have to stop purchasing tickets to games and also any 49ers merchandise. Actually why would you want to pay huge amount, bad traffic, long lines, beat up in bathroom, beat up by sun, support bad coach and bad owner. You were promised big things including lic. price appreciation and all that has happened is huge drop in value of your seat lic. As soon as baby York ripped off the faithful to fund his stadium he ran to
[ Edited by ramram on Oct 1, 2015 at 3:28 PM ]
Originally posted by LowerTheBoom:
Originally posted by aTx49er:
Yeah you didn't answer my question so I'm guessing you haven't seen a game at all. Basing everything you've seen from ESPN highlights.

If you can't tell by my factual observations that I cited that I've watched the games, then that's on you and you're no longer worth conversing with.

Sorry, I don't deal with people who think posing irrelevant, rhetorical questions bear more weight than what actually happens on tape.

Let me translate for everyone what you are attempting to say without any factual support:

"When Luck's offense looks terrible, it's everyone else's fault. When Kap's offense looks terrible, it's his fault".

Have a good day.

Opinion is not fact. Please point out where I said anything about Luck's offense being everyone else's fault and Kaep's offense being his fault? You can't.

It's very telling that you feel the need to exaggerate to make a point.
Originally posted by LowerTheBoom:
Of course everything I said is specualtion and I agree it's a bit far fetched for a GM to throw a whole season away to prove a point...

I just don't know if it's completely out of the realm of possibility given that Baalke was willing to throw the 2nd most winningest coach in the NFL and a potential dynasty by doing what he did to Harbaugh.

The Harbaugh firing had EVERYTHING to do with ego, be it from Jed York or Baalke or both - and nothing to do with winning or what's for the good of the team's future.

Although I ultimately agree with you that it probably wasn't the case, it's hard at this point to go to bat for a GM who signed off on such a s**t coaching staff in a year where they knew anything short of a Super Bowl - by his and York's voiced expectation - would be a disappointment.

Had far more to do with Harbaughs ego and wanting to be in control of everything. There was no potential dynasty here. Harbaugh was Brian Billick 2.0. An "offensive guru" who rode his defense and played it safe on offense to success. The last two years his inability to create a passing game killed this team. York offered him an extension and it was turned down. Harbaugh did everything to himself.

Do you really think this team is a dynasty team as its constituted with Harbaugh in place? I see a 6-10 team with a slightly better D and an inferior offense.

This Isn't to say Trent and Jed are blameless or Tomsula was right decision. But Harbaugh had to go. When he comes back to the NFL and ruins a franchise with his stupid personnel decisions you will see firing him was right move. The moves after that are now what these guys will be judged on.
[ Edited by 9ers4eva on Oct 1, 2015 at 3:37 PM ]
My definition of a 'true Niner fan' would be someone who always roots for the Niners whether he's watching at home, in a bar or at the game itself.

I don't give a good god damn whether it's Morabito, DeBartolo Sr., DeBartolo Jr., York or junior York. In my mind, I'm not rooting for some billionaire. I'm rooting for the team to succeed.
the bank and cut expenses to increase his profit. also do you really think that is bumbling head coach can even compete with coaches with coaches that are smarter than him like new england hc. He looks like a deer caught inheadlights when asked questions. or according to cardinals defense a simplified offens. dont blame kap his qb whisperer is gone yes that same guy that made alex smith a pretty decent qb. if you have any sense you would realise he not smart a smart guy meat head really. to support baby york after he let go an expesive coach that went to three nfc championship games and a superbowl is crazy. people see it for what it is cutting expeses and he took you for your hard earned money. if you keep supporting this gu you probaly deserve to be taking to the bank anyways that what he counting on Faithful! Lol
Originally posted by ramram:
the bank and cut expenses to increase his profit. also do you really think that is bumbling head coach can even compete with coaches with coaches that are smarter than him like new england hc. He looks like a deer caught inheadlights when asked questions. or according to cardinals defense a simplified offens. dont blame kap his qb whisperer is gone yes that same guy that made alex smith a pretty decent qb. if you have any sense you would realise he not smart a smart guy meat head really. to support baby york after he let go an expesive coach that went to three nfc championship games and a superbowl is crazy. people see it for what it is cutting expeses and he took you for your hard earned money. if you keep supporting this gu you probaly deserve to be taking to the bank anyways that what he counting on Faithful! Lol

There's no need to question the intelligence of someone who has been rooting for the Niners since long before Jed York was born and will continue to root for the team. You're free to move on and find another team to support. Good luck and have fun.
Originally posted by ramram:
the bank and cut expenses to increase his profit. also do you really think that is bumbling head coach can even compete with coaches with coaches that are smarter than him like new england hc. He looks like a deer caught inheadlights when asked questions. or according to cardinals defense a simplified offens. dont blame kap his qb whisperer is gone yes that same guy that made alex smith a pretty decent qb. if you have any sense you would realise he not smart a smart guy meat head really. to support baby york after he let go an expesive coach that went to three nfc championship games and a superbowl is crazy. people see it for what it is cutting expeses and he took you for your hard earned money. if you keep supporting this gu you probaly deserve to be taking to the bank anyways that what he counting on Faithful! Lol

Whats with all these new guys who cant write, spell, form proper sentences, and repeat Verb-esque garbage that was said in March.
hey bud no one is saying dont root for them or watch there games. Just saying if you keep lining the pockets of the owners then they think it is ok to do this to there fans. By allmeans root for them at home. if you keep buying there merchandise and going to there games then yorks calculations werecorrect the supid will keep on coming.
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Originally posted by BOI49er:
Bill Walsh's most important quality in a quarterback was "athletic instincts". He was never specific about what that entailed, but several of the things we talk about Kaepernick do come to mind.

Would you include getting your feet set properly before you throw? Pocket movements? Receiver anticipation? Blitz anticipation? Reading the defense to make a pre snap decision to hit a receiver in 1.5 seconds? Putting the right amount of touch on the ball for the situation? Changing the order of your progressions based on defensive line ups, or pre snap movements? Keeping your eyes downfield to make a pass play work as long as possible. Making consistently good game situation decisions? Going through progressions quickly? Throwing receivers open? Making changes to your plan accurately and quickly?

I submit this was Bill's number one criteria because it's something you must bring to the table, as you can't really teach it. You can improve the symptoms to some extent, but you can't treat the underlying problem.

You mention about a dozen things and then paraphrase Walsh saying it's his number one criteria.

My recollection is that Walsh said he could teach foot placement, drops, ball placement...all the skills of a great QB. What he couldn't teach is the heart. He watched Montana's comebacks at ND and new he had the heart to win...just needed to learn and develop his skills. That's why he started every mini-camp with fundamentals re-training...three step drop, five step drop, vision discipline to keep DBs from reading your eyes, etc.

Did I misunderstand your post?

No, that's a fair take, but it's not my take.

Walsh Said athletic instincts was his number one criteria. I wasn't paraphrasing.

Walsh Did stress fundamentals. He taught three, five, and seven step drops, with a plant and throw, a plant and one hitch and throw, or a plant and two or even three hitch steps and throw, all timed to the receiver's route to achieve the proper timing to throw on the break. I don't see where we are that precise. He also insisted on accuracy. He drove OC Holmgren nuts for complaining on misplacement of a ball easily caught, because he wanted that ball in a one foot box to facilitate ROC. I don't see where we are doing that.

Here's the deal. After working with Warner, I do see Kaepernick moving his forward foot toward his target on his first read, and then his second, and (yes I have seen Kaepernick get to a third read) then go to a totally open stance when he actually throws the ball, inaccurately and without the necessary power if outside the numbers. That's athletic instincts. Don't throw the damned ball if it's a tight window or a throw that needs power if you can't, won't, or don't set your base. When under pressure, even if it's unjustified perceived pressure and his first read, Kaepernick loses his fundamentals (read poise), and you can't teach that. That's athletic instincts.

Yes, Walsh Did value heart very highly, but clearly that stands alone. I don't see by any logic that that can be included in "athletic instincts".

And yes, I did suggest a dozen things that could be considered in "athletic instincts", and all of them open to scrutiny re Kaepernick, and you've only responded to one.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000547025/article/colin-kaepernicks-struggles-do-the-49ers-have-a-franchise-qb

Not sure if this has been posted. Only positive article about Kaepernick I have seen since Sunday.
Holy s**t has RG3 been drug through the mud this much by the national football pundits? Kaepernick's getting lambasted on all fronts coming from national football media all over the damn place. Hopefully he doesn't read any of that s**t.
Originally posted by ninerjok:
Holy s**t has RG3 been drug through the mud this much by the national football pundits? Kaepernick's getting lambasted on all fronts coming from national football media all over the damn place. Hopefully he doesn't read any of that s**t.

Well, rg3 was getting it this hard when he was actually on the field. Not much to say about him as he sits on the sidelines, nonactive on gamedays. Kap is playing, poorly, thus the talk is about him.
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