Colin Kaepernick Thread

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Those guys didn't get benched last year. No GM will pay for what a player did 2-3 years ago, with another team. Bradford, to the Eagles, played well for them last year. Osweiler got off the bench and play well for the Broncos.

Kaep's play was so deflating, that they had to turn to a 2nd year on the team, bust label qb to attempt to salvage the season. Kaep still need to prove to his potential team that he still has the confidence enough to play like a starter. And he's currently on injured rehab. He's not in the best of light for trade or contract value right now. No matter how much the Niners or his agent wants to spin his current situation.

Bradford and Osweiler played well? WTF? When you make comparisons, do you even consider factors such as who a QB plays, the weapons a QB has, the coaching system and line?

Personally think anyone comparing Kaep last year to any of these QB's is not being fair or reasonable.

But, lets look at how good Bradford played. 5 years in the league with an offensive mastermind. 19TD 14 INT and 86.4 QB Rating which was worse than the year before in St Louis which was enough for them to dump him. He "regressed"! And yet now I'm reading he played well. But his numbers were worse than Kaep's in 2014/15 which I'm told Kaep was terrible 19TD 10INT 86.4.

Have you actually looked at Bradford's performances this year? A lot of garbage time production.

Brock Osweiler has had 4 years to sit and got benched for noodle armed Peyton. He has been mediocre all season with a few good quarters here and there. But he has good mechanics and this place busts their loads over that.

Kaep had 3 injuries and a terrible team and you and others still talk this junk like you can't believe the season fell apart. LOL. You're telling me that with such greats as Jeep Crhyst, Tomsula, no running game a terrible line and the organization floating rumors about the QB that the team fell apart in the weak NFC West? I AM SHOCKED! We would have been so much better with Bradford!

Originally posted by SundayTicket:
Kirk Cousins YEAR:2015 4,166 Yards 29 TD's 11INT

Colin Kaepernick YEAR:2015 1,615 Yards 6 TD's 5 INT's (benched)

GEEE I wonder whythe starter who threw for 30TDs and 4k Yards is asking for 20million and the guy who got benched and didnt even hit 2k yards or 10 TD's is sitting at 12 million.... Ya'll keep talking about the past as fact for the present, instead of what is actually fact for the present time

Example:
Peyton manning 2014 4,727 Yds 40TD's 15 INT's

2015 2,249 Yds and (benched) 9 TD's 17 INT.s Yall

Are you two guys firm believers that Peyton Manning is going to return to form from 2014? Or is he just gonna retire because hes lost the "it" factor which was clear and evident from 2015 and the superbowl game? I mean sh*t the kool-aid yall are drinking is ridiculous. Peyton isnt the same guy he was a year ago, and kaepernick isnt the same guy he was 2-3 years ago. Why can you agree peyton manning isnt the same guy he was a year ago, but you cant agree kaepernick isnt the same guy he was 2-3 years ago either? again, hypocritical as f*ck and blinded by emotional investment.

Post Cousins' stats against a .500 team. Take out his stats against bottom 10 defenses.

There's a reason why he is getting franchised.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/09/25/kirk-cousins-continues-to-throw-interceptions-at-an-alarming-rate/

Weird how this was written about him just this past season and then...the schedule softened and he played the following teams in the 2nd half of the season and just like that his numbers improved:

New Orleans
Carolina
NYG
Dallas
Chicago
Buffalo
Philly
Dallas

We like to dismiss Kaep's good games this year against bad teams, but can't do the same with Kirk Cousins? LMAO

Why don't you compare Kaep's 1st half season to Kirk's 1st half? Uh oh...that would be too fair.

Blind... Kaep has basically the same year in 2014 playing 2 more games than Bradford. This with 4 1000 yard receivers and Gore.



Also I've asked you this before but can you name 2 areas Kaep has improved the last 2 seasons?

Originally posted by Jiks:
Blind... Kaep has basically the same year in 2015 playing 2 less games. This with 4 1000 yard receivers and Gore.



Also I've asked you this before but can you name 2 areas Kaep has improved the last 2 seasons?

Statistically or his actual game?

Kaep had 4 1000 yard receivers?

But let me ask you a question. Can you name areas where the people and/or players around Kaep that improved since he came into the league. Name one area that improved.

Originally posted by Blindfury:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Those guys didn't get benched last year. No GM will pay for what a player did 2-3 years ago, with another team. Bradford, to the Eagles, played well for them last year. Osweiler got off the bench and play well for the Broncos.

Kaep's play was so deflating, that they had to turn to a 2nd year on the team, bust label qb to attempt to salvage the season. Kaep still need to prove to his potential team that he still has the confidence enough to play like a starter. And he's currently on injured rehab. He's not in the best of light for trade or contract value right now. No matter how much the Niners or his agent wants to spin his current situation.

Bradford and Osweiler played well? WTF? When you make comparisons, do you even consider factors such as who a QB plays, the weapons a QB has, the coaching system and line?

Personally think anyone comparing Kaep last year to any of these QB's is not being fair or reasonable.

But, lets look at how good Bradford played. 5 years in the league with an offensive mastermind. 19TD 14 INT and 86.4 QB Rating which was worse than the year before in St Louis which was enough for them to dump him. He "regressed"! And yet now I'm reading he played well. But his numbers were worse than Kaep's in 2014/15 which I'm told Kaep was terrible 19TD 10INT 86.4.

Have you actually looked at Bradford's performances this year? A lot of garbage time production.

Brock Osweiler has had 4 years to sit and got benched for noodle armed Peyton. He has been mediocre all season with a few good quarters here and there. But he has good mechanics and this place busts their loads over that.

Kaep had 3 injuries and a terrible team and you and others still talk this junk like you can't believe the season fell apart. LOL. You're telling me that with such greats as Jeep Crhyst, Tomsula, no running game a terrible line and the organization floating rumors about the QB that the team fell apart in the weak NFC West? I AM SHOCKED! We would have been so much better with Bradford!

lol You typed all this up on semi rant because your reading comprehension failed you yet again. Bradford has value to the Eagles. They thought he played well for them. And the incoming coach and the GM thought enough of him to give him 18mil. They don't do that if they think he played badly.

How is your comprehension became this bad. It's only the 3rd sentence into my post.

Originally posted by Blindfury:

Originally posted by Jiks:

Blind... Kaep has basically the same year in 2015 playing 2 less games. This with 4 1000 yard receivers and Gore.



Also I've asked you this before but can you name 2 areas Kaep has improved the last 2 seasons?

Statistically or his actual game?

Kaep had 4 1000 yard receivers?

3 plus VD. Admittedly they weren't in their prime but still a lot of talent.

And actual game.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Originally posted by okdkid:
Bradford is getting $18M per year. Osweiler is going to get a minimum of $15M per year, likely more. Neither of these players have played in a playoff game.

Kap's contract is a huge asset. Very affordable for any starting QB in the league.

Those guys didn't get benched last year. No GM will pay for what a player did 2-3 years ago, with another team. Bradford, to the Eagles, played well for them last year. Osweiler got off the bench and play well for the Broncos.

Kaep's play was so deflating, that they had to turn to a 2nd year on the team, bust label qb to attempt to salvage the season. Kaep still need to prove to his potential team that he still has the confidence enough to play like a starter. And he's currently on injured rehab. He's not in the best of light for trade or contract value right now. No matter how much the Niners or his agent wants to spin his current situation.

Both of you are right.

A). The contract is excellent for any team to pay a staring QB and

B). Kap regressed last year - NO QUESTION!

The important Question moving forward is, "Is he worth that money??

If you don't think he is then say

If you think he is and will play up to and above those expectations then

Originally posted by Blindfury:

But let me ask you a question. Can you name areas where the people and/or players around Kaep that improved since he came into the league. Name one area that improved.

I'm not asking about other players... Strictly Kaep. I get your point, but I'm asking about Kaep specifically.

Originally posted by Blindfury:
Brock Osweiler has had 4 years to sit and got benched for noodle armed Peyton. He has been mediocre all season with a few good quarters here and there. But he has good mechanics and this place busts their loads over that.

Osweiler wasn't really benched due to bad play though. The Broncos had their back up against the wall with the number 1 seed at stake, so they were desperate for doing anything that would give them some kind of spark after turning it over like 4 times in the first half and then again in the second half, with none of those turnovers really being on Osweiler. Besides, being "mediocre all season with a few good quarters here and there" can make for a pretty nice quarterback as long is it's the quarters that matter, the comeback win against the Patriots being a good example. I think he's a little better than that though, but that's up for debate I suppose.

Originally posted by Blindfury:

Originally posted by SundayTicket:
Kirk Cousins YEAR:2015 4,166 Yards 29 TD's 11INT

Colin Kaepernick YEAR:2015 1,615 Yards 6 TD's 5 INT's (benched)

GEEE I wonder whythe starter who threw for 30TDs and 4k Yards is asking for 20million and the guy who got benched and didnt even hit 2k yards or 10 TD's is sitting at 12 million.... Ya'll keep talking about the past as fact for the present, instead of what is actually fact for the present time

Example:
Peyton manning 2014 4,727 Yds 40TD's 15 INT's

2015 2,249 Yds and (benched) 9 TD's 17 INT.s Yall

Are you two guys firm believers that Peyton Manning is going to return to form from 2014? Or is he just gonna retire because hes lost the "it" factor which was clear and evident from 2015 and the superbowl game? I mean sh*t the kool-aid yall are drinking is ridiculous. Peyton isnt the same guy he was a year ago, and kaepernick isnt the same guy he was 2-3 years ago. Why can you agree peyton manning isnt the same guy he was a year ago, but you cant agree kaepernick isnt the same guy he was 2-3 years ago either? again, hypocritical as f*ck and blinded by emotional investment.

Post Cousins' stats against a .500 team. Take out his stats against bottom 10 defenses.

There's a reason why he is getting franchised.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/09/25/kirk-cousins-continues-to-throw-interceptions-at-an-alarming-rate/

Weird how this was written about him just this past season and then...the schedule softened and he played the following teams in the 2nd half of the season and just like that his numbers improved:

New Orleans
Carolina
NYG
Dallas
Chicago
Buffalo
Philly
Dallas

We like to dismiss Kaep's good games this year against bad teams, but can't do the same with Kirk Cousins? LMAO

Why don't you compare Kaep's 1st half season to Kirk's 1st half? Uh oh...that would be too fair.

I wasnt singling out Kaepernicks games, nor was i singling out Kirk's games. i specifically said an entire year, and posted stats for an entire year (2015). you ALWAYS do this same tactic. Take something someone said and try to break it down to fit your own narrative and taking everything someone says out of context.

If your going to ask a poster questions, at least answer the original posters questions first, otherwise your conversation isnt a conversation at all.

Originally posted by Blindfury:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Those guys didn't get benched last year. No GM will pay for what a player did 2-3 years ago, with another team. Bradford, to the Eagles, played well for them last year. Osweiler got off the bench and play well for the Broncos.

Kaep's play was so deflating, that they had to turn to a 2nd year on the team, bust label qb to attempt to salvage the season. Kaep still need to prove to his potential team that he still has the confidence enough to play like a starter. And he's currently on injured rehab. He's not in the best of light for trade or contract value right now. No matter how much the Niners or his agent wants to spin his current situation.

Bradford and Osweiler played well? WTF? When you make comparisons, do you even consider factors such as who a QB plays, the weapons a QB has, the coaching system and line?

Personally think anyone comparing Kaep last year to any of these QB's is not being fair or reasonable.

But, lets look at how good Bradford played. 5 years in the league with an offensive mastermind. 19TD 14 INT and 86.4 QB Rating which was worse than the year before in St Louis which was enough for them to dump him. He "regressed"! And yet now I'm reading he played well. But his numbers were worse than Kaep's in 2014/15 which I'm told Kaep was terrible 19TD 10INT 86.4.

Have you actually looked at Bradford's performances this year? A lot of garbage time production.

Brock Osweiler has had 4 years to sit and got benched for noodle armed Peyton. He has been mediocre all season with a few good quarters here and there. But he has good mechanics and this place busts their loads over that.

Kaep had 3 injuries and a terrible team and you and others still talk this junk like you can't believe the season fell apart. LOL. You're telling me that with such greats as Jeep Crhyst, Tomsula, no running game a terrible line and the organization floating rumors about the QB that the team fell apart in the weak NFC West? I AM SHOCKED! We would have been so much better with Bradford!

More evidence that Kap fans rip on opposing QBs thinking it makes their hero look better.

Soon...

Originally posted by Jiks:
I'm not asking about other players... Strictly Kaep. I get your point, but I'm asking about Kaep specifically.

Ah yes, but it's OK to bring up other players to slander Kaep. Got it.

Originally posted by Dicekiller:
Osweiler wasn't really benched due to bad play though. The Broncos had their back up against the wall with the number 1 seed at stake, so they were desperate for doing anything that would give them some kind of spark after turning it over like 4 times in the first half and then again in the second half, with none of those turnovers really being on Osweiler. Besides, being "mediocre all season with a few good quarters here and there" can make for a pretty nice quarterback as long is it's the quarters that matter, the comeback win against the Patriots being a good example. I think he's a little better than that though, but that's up for debate I suppose.

Couldn't you say Blaine was brought in to give the team a spark too? I mean, arguing why either player was benched is splitting hairs. Fact of the matter is the HC thought the team had a better opportunity with the other QB.

As for the bolded, I agree with that, but that but it depends on the QB. I notice certain QB's are immune to criticism here while others aren't It is what it is.

Still, Osweiler and Bradford seasons were praised in here. Yet Kaep had better season in 2015 and has been bashed mercilessly. It doesn't make sense.

Originally posted by BobS:
More evidence that Kap fans rip on opposing QBs thinking it makes their hero look better.

Another example of facts being presented and you having nothing to say. When you have nothing to say, back to saying something about Kaep fans or some other nonsense.