Colin Kaepernick Thread

Originally posted by BobS:

Originally posted by Irish40Niner:

Originally posted by BobS:
What, how could you type that, Kap fans bring that up very frequently. I think they are excuse #76 and #77 on their 100 count excuse list for Kap's poor play of which none of them are his fault.

He most definitely has his faults.. Let's not sit here and act like positive changes weren't made to the o line after he was demoted. A competent coaching staff would have made those changes a lot sooner... I believe the correct jersey #'s you are looking for are: #65,#66, and #71... Not #76 and #77, they did a pretty good job.

I was using those numbers as excuse 1-100 not jersey numbers. I just picked those numbers out of the sky. There seems to be a boatload of excuses for Kap, yet a two time Pro Bowler like Vernon Davis falls off and all you get is people calling him a P*SSY. As for not changing the line sooner it takes a while for an O-line to become cohesive, also plenty of young players made it all the way through college on brute strength and can show up in the Pros raw and need work on technique. Unless a guy can't do the job physically (Even with proper technique he gets run over) you have to allow him time to develop. Even some off the best coaches have kept O-line units together longer than they should. Even the great Bobb McKittrick left Steve Wallace in at least a year too long, Wallace was a shell of himself the last year he was with the 49ers and probably the weakest link on the line.

I don't think anyone has said that Kap has no faults. I make no excuse for him apparently devoting his time to less necessary development/maintenance in the off season, but the dude is ALWAYS working hard. He's determined, hardworking, and earnest. Sucks that he hasn't developed more of the strategic game, and maybe he has some pride to address as a person, but he's never lacked the will or effort one needs to succeed.

Let's not shed too many tears for Vernon Davis. He didn't fall off physically, as beat writers were saying even in the 2015 TC that he still looked like one of the fastest guys on the offense (likely only trailing Smith and Ellington). Dude fell off noticeably after Chancellor punched his card, an he lost the good will he earned from the fans by blowing off offseason workouts to "develop and market his brand."

The offensive staff should have replaced Devey and Pears before they did, by your own criterion. They both demonstrated regularly that they were physically incapable of winning their matchups. They were stuck with Martin after cutdowns, but they could have kept Looney or Farrell, both of whom looked better than Martin in the PS games.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by Irish40Niner:
So if Kaep is the scarecrow, which character is Gabbert the tin man or the cowardly lion?

All I know is that Vernon Davis is Dorothy.

Tin man: no heart. Kam ripped it out of his chest. Dorothy had bigger balls than Vernon these last few years.

Vernon was a great 49er and Tin Man was actually one of Gabbert's nicknames in Jacksonville

Vernon stopped being a great 49er a long time before he stopped getting paid by them. He could have worked to develop his weaknesses (catching away from his frame) and become the best TE in history, but he stuck with his strengths, made some big plays, and ceased to grow as a player years ago. He stopped playing tough. He held out for a better contract when he was already being paid above his production. Vernon gave us some good memories, but he could have given a lot more if he wasn't content.

What is with the Kaep haters and the pro bowl? Lol! It used to mean somethin back in the day, now it's just the alternate bowl. Most of the deserving players that are selected decline it or are in the super bowl...

Originally posted by BobS:
I don't understand the blind support this guy gets.

It's not blind. 4-2 in the playoffs cannot just be dismissed because there is a "narrative" of him regressing, defenses catching up to his gimmicks or whatever. As for the "excuses" that his "fans" (hey, aren't we ALL supposed to be fans of this team?) are bringing up, this discussion brings me flashbacks of the "Alexcuses" charge. And he ended up all right after all (not great - but definitely all right)

I am not saying that Kap is the answer, mind you. I am just saying that rushing to close this chapter because the "narrative" feels right is sub-optimal at best, stupid at worst. We can afford to bring him to camp, hopefully healthy, and see what this new coaching staff can make out of him. And no, I'm not too crazy about said coaching staff either, but if they are so horrible after all, won't they ruin Goff, or Lynch, or whoever is the Webzone's latest Messiah-in-waiting?

We MAY or may not have a QB in either Kap or Gabbert. We KNOW that we have no offensive line or pass-rush worth a damn. Which position is worth trying to strengthen in the offseason?

Originally posted by Irish40Niner:

What is with the Kaep haters and the pro bowl? Lol! It used to mean somethin back in the day, now it's just the alternate bowl. Most of the deserving players that are selected decline it or are in the super bowl...

VD led the NFL in receiving TDs.

Originally posted by mojave45:
It's not like the line Gabbert had was stellar. Incrementally better, perhaps. He also played with running backs that we picked up on the bluelight special, and his tight end situation....bottom line they played on the same bad team, Gabbert had more wins, more TD's...

That's not what I said though. The line play was night and day. RB play has nothing to do with it. Hyde had 1 or 2 good games. Then there was Reggie Bush, Hayne who all had no impact. At least Gabbert had some semblance of a running game.

TE situation? VD was an awful TE and then there was Vance. Gabbert had 1 extra win boo frlipping whoo. And 2 of them were in OT where the other team rolled over.

All this while Kaep had a miserable season while injured and Gabbert had a career year.

But if we're going to use your logic, Kaep has more playoff wins and regular season career wins than Gabbert. By a large number actually. Hasselbeck got more wins this season than Luck btw.

Originally posted by paulk205:
It's not blind. 4-2 in the playoffs cannot just be dismissed because there is a "narrative" of him regressing, defenses catching up to his gimmicks or whatever. As for the "excuses" that his "fans" (hey, aren't we ALL supposed to be fans of this team?) are bringing up, this discussion brings me flashbacks of the "Alexcuses" charge. And he ended up all right after all (not great - but definitely all right)

I am not saying that Kap is the answer, mind you. I am just saying that rushing to close this chapter because the "narrative" feels right is sub-optimal at best, stupid at worst. We can afford to bring him to camp, hopefully healthy, and see what this new coaching staff can make out of him. And no, I'm not too crazy about said coaching staff either, but if they are so horrible after all, won't they ruin Goff, or Lynch, or whoever is the Webzone's latest Messiah-in-waiting?

We MAY or may not have a QB in either Kap or Gabbert. We KNOW that we have no offensive line or pass-rush worth a damn. Which position is worth trying to strengthen in the offseason?

There's a lot of bitterness, there is no doubt. There's such a huge double standard.

Originally posted by BobS:

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by Irish40Niner:
So if Kaep is the scarecrow, which character is Gabbert the tin man or the cowardly lion?

All I know is that Vernon Davis is Dorothy.

You are calling a two time pro bowler tight end a girl yet you will fight to the death to defend a below average QB like Kap, please explain how that makes sense.

"Fight to the death"?? Easy, Bob. That take is a little unhinged if you ask me. Memo to Bob: that was what some of us like to call a 'joke.'

Originally posted by Blindfury:
There's a lot of bitterness, there is no doubt. There's such a huge double standard.

All I see is that some fans seem to have a personal problem with one or the other, but mainly Kaepernick. I don't see ANYONE saying he's been good lately. In fact, most agree that he's been downright bad. But to say he's never been this or he's never done that or he can't hit a slant or he can't throw with touch - come on, you guys. Why do you need hyperbole? He hasn't performed up to a franchise QB standard for the last couple years. He's regressed and who knows exactly why?

He's got a new coach who everyone agrees works wonders with QB's - all I'm ever saying is let's see what happens. It should be interesting. If Kelly can't get real good production out of either Kaepernick or Gabbert, then they've got to go sooner or later, that's all. When I look at both of them, they seem to be the kind of athletes who can play QB well in Kelly's system - we'll all find out - there's no need to pretend you know what's going to happen in the future.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by BobS:
I really don't think a lot of Kap fans get it. I believe it was a couple pages back where someone posted "What are the haters going to do if the "Old Kap" comes back?" That statement in itself shows a lack of awareness of what happened. Kap never really regressed in his abilities or lack there of, his productivity regressed, as defenses adjusted to take away his strengths while he did not improve on his weaknesses. If you look at scouting reports on him coming out of college they look like they could have been written in 2015. "Old Kap" is just going to get you further decline as defenses took away things he did well, he appears to even be beaten down mentally, the only thing that will turn around the productivity decline is a "New Kap" that improves on his weaknesses. I don't understand the blind support this guy gets. I ask any Kap fan to do one thing next year if he plays for the 49ers, watch his head when he drops back to pass until he releases the ball, only focus on that, then watch Russell Wilson. That is the big thing I noticed way back in 2012, he doesn't look around like most other QBs, especially when under pressure. For those that have never worn a football helmet it obstructs peripheral vision quite a bit so you have to move your head around to see the whole field, not just your eyes.

What is a Kaep fan?
Someone who thinks he has the best chance to be the best qb on the current roster?
Someone who appreciates what Kaepernick has done for the 49ers?
Someone who would like to see Kaepernick succeed as a 49er?

You throw that term around in most of your posts and you complain a lot about thesed unnamed people. Why not just call people out specifically? You probably consider me to be a Kaepnerick fan but most of what you attribute to Kaepernick fans doesn't apply to me.
I say this because that kind of affects the credibilty of your posts and that is a shame.

A Kap fan is someone who exaggerates his strengths and accomplishments while down playing or making excuses for his weaknesses and failures. I think the best thing to equate them to is someone campaigning for a political candidate. When Kap was benched for Gabbert most of them became quiet, when Gabbert had good games they stayed quiet, when Gabbert had bad games they became re-energized and reappeared. They also seem to react with joy when any upper level QB has a bad game. They make posts that are contradictory and irrational, holding everyone else to a higher standard than Kaepernick and then staying silent when someone calls them on their BS. As an example many claim Kaepernick's 86 rating in 2014 was decent, yet QBs putting up 90's in play-off games this year are called chokers. Back when Wilson and Kap had identical numbers they were calling Kap elite and Wilson trash. They root for every QB not named Kaepernick to fail, even if it is Gabbert.

I am a member of another site for Redskin fans and a site where various sports are discussed, that and 20 years of being on the internet I have never encountered anything like the Kap fan, it is like a cult following to me. On the Redskin site I did not see people supporting RG3 on his down slide mentioning things like "Robert might have had 2 picks and a fumble lost today, but Peyton Manning had 3 picks and a fumble." It boggles the mind.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by Irish40Niner:
What is with the Kaep haters and the pro bowl? Lol! It used to mean somethin back in the day, now it's just the alternate bowl. Most of the deserving players that are selected decline it or are in the super bowl...

VD led the NFL in receiving TDs.

For a while, he was a real force and I appreciate that. I just have a hard spot for players who go to another team and then throw shade on the Niners. Just shut up and be a Bronco who doesn't contribute much to that team. I guess if he were producing there, he'd have more license to talk in my book, but he annoys me.

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by BobS:

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by Irish40Niner:
So if Kaep is the scarecrow, which character is Gabbert the tin man or the cowardly lion?

All I know is that Vernon Davis is Dorothy.

You are calling a two time pro bowler tight end a girl yet you will fight to the death to defend a below average QB like Kap, please explain how that makes sense.

"Fight to the death"?? Easy, Bob. That take is a little unhinged if you ask me. Memo to Bob: that was what some of us like to call a 'joke.'

i wonder if Bob knows who's really fighting to the death on certain subjects?

Originally posted by BobS:
A Kap fan is someone who exaggerates his strengths and accomplishments while down playing or making excuses for his weaknesses and failures. I think the best thing to equate them to is someone campaigning for a political candidate. When Kap was benched for Gabbert most of them became quiet, when Gabbert had good games they stayed quiet, when Gabbert had bad games they became re-energized and reappeared. They also seem to react with joy when any upper level QB has a bad game. They make posts that are contradictory and irrational, holding everyone else to a higher standard than Kaepernick and then staying silent when someone calls them on their BS. As an example many claim Kaepernick's 86 rating in 2014 was decent, yet QBs putting up 90's in play-off games this year are called chokers. Back when Wilson and Kap had identical numbers they were calling Kap elite and Wilson trash. They root for every QB not named Kaepernick to fail, even if it is Gabbert.

I am a member of another site for Redskin fans and a site where various sports are discussed, that and 20 years of being on the internet I have never encountered anything like the Kap fan, it is like a cult following to me. On the Redskin site I did not see people supporting RG3 on his down slide mentioning things like "Robert might have had 2 picks and a fumble lost today, but Peyton Manning had 3 picks and a fumble." It boggles the mind.

This is the very definition of obsession. I'm not sure what planet this post is referring to, but on this planet I don't see anybody who roots for every QB not named Kaepernick to fail. What boggles my mind is how delusional this all is.

Originally posted by Blindfury:

Originally posted by mojave45:
It's not like the line Gabbert had was stellar. Incrementally better, perhaps. He also played with running backs that we picked up on the bluelight special, and his tight end situation....bottom line they played on the same bad team, Gabbert had more wins, more TD's...

That's not what I said though. The line play was night and day. RB play has nothing to do with it. Hyde had 1 or 2 good games. Then there was Reggie Bush, Hayne who all had no impact. At least Gabbert had some semblance of a running game.

TE situation? VD was an awful TE and then there was Vance. Gabbert had 1 extra win boo frlipping whoo. And 2 of them were in OT where the other team rolled over.

All this while Kaep had a miserable season while injured and Gabbert had a career year.

But if we're going to use your logic, Kaep has more playoff wins and regular season career wins than Gabbert. By a large number actually. Hasselbeck got more wins this season than Luck btw.

No, that is using your logic, LOL, I never compared past play on other teams in my post. And what do Hasselbeck and Luck have to do with anything that I posted?

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by BobS:

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by Irish40Niner:
So if Kaep is the scarecrow, which character is Gabbert the tin man or the cowardly lion?

All I know is that Vernon Davis is Dorothy.

You are calling a two time pro bowler tight end a girl yet you will fight to the death to defend a below average QB like Kap, please explain how that makes sense.

"Fight to the death"?? Easy, Bob. That take is a little unhinged if you ask me. Memo to Bob: that was what some of us like to call a 'joke.'

It is just a saying. It means you will never give up defending him no matter what he does.