Colin Kaepernick Thread

Originally posted by Mertonschickendance:

Remember when the zone went nuts after watching that clip of kap's new mechanics last offseason lol....we need something like that again to talk about. Is Kap gonna be working w Kurt or any "QB experts" this year?
I'm hoping w the rehab he's "forced" to watch more film

I doubt it. He's got a lot of rehabbing to do. Plus he's going to have to study this playbook quite a bit.

Why is Kap's cap number so important? The team right now has plenty of cap space and close to no talent. Even if we go bonkers in trying to get every high priced FA (so as to max out on cap this way), there's no guarantee that the FAs will want to all come here, or indeed that they don't turn out to be new LeCharles Bentleys (unlucky injury), or Albert Haynesworths (lazy people who never bothered after getting that big FA money). With QB being such a crucial position, it is insane to cut either of our current players "to save on cap space". Right now we have

1. Kap, who was pretty good (occasionally great) for his first two seasons, and pretty poor (and deteriorating) in his last two. But he may also have been injured, our coaching staff last year were muppets, and the FO drama the season before (when he DID go 8-8 after all) may have been crucial factors. He may or may not be salvageable under a good coaching staff and with decent line protection. And we can always cut him NEXT season if he is no good. The contract allows this.

2. Gabbert. Who is serviceable, cheap, and MIGHT have the chance to shine under a good coaching staff and with decent line protection.

We must keep both in TC and have a genuine competition between them. Let the best man win the job and let the other ride the pine. Who cares if Kap loses the competition and he sits with his cap hit on the bench? Why are we so considerate with the Yorks' money? And if they are both pretty decent, so much the better, we have a good backup waiting in the wings and we potentially avoid a Dallas-like nosedive in the event of a injury.

Invest the high draft pick and what FA ammo we have in the places where the team really sucks: OL and pass-rush (Lynch is good, but he needs help). Forget the golden boy QB who MAY come to save us. We have two QBs who CAN do the job, right now, if given the tools to do it. Kap has done it before. Gabbert shows some good signs. Oh, and the equally maligned Alex Smith once did, although we did all shout "We want Carr" and moaned when he was kept on the roster in 2011. He also played terribly while injured, and his jerkoff HC threw him under the bus for that. Right now he is an excellent pro. He has his limitations, sure, but with good coaching (Harbaugh, Reid) he's been way above average.

It is stupid to limit our options just because it seems that Kap is unsalvageable (=we are bored with him and we want to see someone new).

Originally posted by NinerSickness:

Saying he's better than Kaepernick doesn't mean people are "high" on him.

Gabbert sucks pretty badly, but he's still better than the scarecrow.

So if Kaep is the scarecrow, which character is Gabbert the tin man or the cowardly lion?

Originally posted by Irish40Niner:
I highly doubt it. Reason being that he was only slightly better in his best year as a pro than Kaep's worst year as a pro.

Not to mention Kaep was injured and had a far worse line. Why does that never get brought up? Gabbert should have been able to destroy Kaep, but he couldn't.

Originally posted by Blindfury:

Originally posted by Irish40Niner:
I highly doubt it. Reason being that he was only slightly better in his best year as a pro than Kaep's worst year as a pro.

Not to mention Kaep was injured and had a far worse line. Why does that never get brought up? Gabbert should have been able to destroy Kaep, but he couldn't.

What, how could you type that, Kap fans bring that up very frequently. I think they are excuse #76 and #77 on their 100 count excuse list for Kap's poor play of which none of them are his fault.

Originally posted by BobS:

What, how could you type that, Kap fans bring that up very frequently. I think they are excuse #76 and #77 on their 100 count excuse list for Kap's poor play of which none of them are his fault.

He most definitely has his faults.. Let's not sit here and act like positive changes weren't made to the o line after he was demoted. A competent coaching staff would have made those changes a lot sooner... I believe the correct jersey #'s you are looking for are: #65,#66, and #71... Not #76 and #77, they did a pretty good job.

Originally posted by thl408:

This will the first offense in the NFL where his mobility is embraced and is actually a part of the scheme that the coach teaches. The coach isn't modifying some scheme to accommodate a QB's mobility. The scheme itself is aided by a QB's ability to threaten as a runner.

But kap isnt mobile! You known that t! Thats a myth. He has great linear speed butZERO lateral agility and ZERO pocket awareness. NO ONE has ever turned into pressure as often as kap that i have seen. Its almost like an anti sixth sense.Not even jurgenson turned into pressure like kap that lard butt.

These are qualities that are difficult to integrate into any scheme.

I really don't think a lot of Kap fans get it. I believe it was a couple pages back where someone posted "What are the haters going to do if the "Old Kap" comes back?" That statement in itself shows a lack of awareness of what happened. Kap never really regressed in his abilities or lack there of, his productivity regressed, as defenses adjusted to take away his strengths while he did not improve on his weaknesses. If you look at scouting reports on him coming out of college they look like they could have been written in 2015. "Old Kap" is just going to get you further decline as defenses took away things he did well, he appears to even be beaten down mentally, the only thing that will turn around the productivity decline is a "New Kap" that improves on his weaknesses. I don't understand the blind support this guy gets. I ask any Kap fan to do one thing next year if he plays for the 49ers, watch his head when he drops back to pass until he releases the ball, only focus on that, then watch Russell Wilson. That is the big thing I noticed way back in 2012, he doesn't look around like most other QBs, especially when under pressure. For those that have never worn a football helmet it obstructs peripheral vision quite a bit so you have to move your head around to see the whole field, not just your eyes.

Originally posted by Blindfury:

Originally posted by Irish40Niner:
I highly doubt it. Reason being that he was only slightly better in his best year as a pro than Kaep's worst year as a pro.

Not to mention Kaep was injured and had a far worse line. Why does that never get brought up? Gabbert should have been able to destroy Kaep, but he couldn't.

It's not like the line Gabbert had was stellar. Incrementally better, perhaps. He also played with running backs that we picked up on the bluelight special, and his tight end situation....bottom line they played on the same bad team, Gabbert had more wins, more TD's...

Originally posted by Irish40Niner:
So if Kaep is the scarecrow, which character is Gabbert the tin man or the cowardly lion?

All I know is that Vernon Davis is Dorothy.

Originally posted by Irish40Niner:

Originally posted by BobS:
What, how could you type that, Kap fans bring that up very frequently. I think they are excuse #76 and #77 on their 100 count excuse list for Kap's poor play of which none of them are his fault.

He most definitely has his faults.. Let's not sit here and act like positive changes weren't made to the o line after he was demoted. A competent coaching staff would have made those changes a lot sooner... I believe the correct jersey #'s you are looking for are: #65,#66, and #71... Not #76 and #77, they did a pretty good job.

I was using those numbers as excuse 1-100 not jersey numbers. I just picked those numbers out of the sky. There seems to be a boatload of excuses for Kap, yet a two time Pro Bowler like Vernon Davis falls off and all you get is people calling him a P*SSY. As for not changing the line sooner it takes a while for an O-line to become cohesive, also plenty of young players made it all the way through college on brute strength and can show up in the Pros raw and need work on technique. Unless a guy can't do the job physically (Even with proper technique he gets run over) you have to allow him time to develop. Even some off the best coaches have kept O-line units together longer than they should. Even the great Bobb McKittrick left Steve Wallace in at least a year too long, Wallace was a shell of himself the last year he was with the 49ers and probably the weakest link on the line.

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by Irish40Niner:
So if Kaep is the scarecrow, which character is Gabbert the tin man or the cowardly lion?

All I know is that Vernon Davis is Dorothy.

Tin man: no heart. Kam ripped it out of his chest. Dorothy had bigger balls than Vernon these last few years.

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by Irish40Niner:
So if Kaep is the scarecrow, which character is Gabbert the tin man or the cowardly lion?

All I know is that Vernon Davis is Dorothy.

You are calling a two time pro bowler tight end a girl yet you will fight to the death to defend a below average QB like Kap, please explain how that makes sense.

Originally posted by BobS:

I really don't think a lot of Kap fans get it. I believe it was a couple pages back where someone posted "What are the haters going to do if the "Old Kap" comes back?" That statement in itself shows a lack of awareness of what happened. Kap never really regressed in his abilities or lack there of, his productivity regressed, as defenses adjusted to take away his strengths while he did not improve on his weaknesses. If you look at scouting reports on him coming out of college they look like they could have been written in 2015. "Old Kap" is just going to get you further decline as defenses took away things he did well, he appears to even be beaten down mentally, the only thing that will turn around the productivity decline is a "New Kap" that improves on his weaknesses. I don't understand the blind support this guy gets. I ask any Kap fan to do one thing next year if he plays for the 49ers, watch his head when he drops back to pass until he releases the ball, only focus on that, then watch Russell Wilson. That is the big thing I noticed way back in 2012, he doesn't look around like most other QBs, especially when under pressure. For those that have never worn a football helmet it obstructs peripheral vision quite a bit so you have to move your head around to see the whole field, not just your eyes.

What is a Kaep fan?
Someone who thinks he has the best chance to be the best qb on the current roster?
Someone who appreciates what Kaepernick has done for the 49ers?
Someone who would like to see Kaepernick succeed as a 49er?

You throw that term around in most of your posts and you complain a lot about thesed unnamed people. Why not just call people out specifically? You probably consider me to be a Kaepnerick fan but most of what you attribute to Kaepernick fans doesn't apply to me.
I say this because that kind of affects the credibilty of your posts and that is a shame.

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by Irish40Niner:

So if Kaep is the scarecrow, which character is Gabbert the tin man or the cowardly lion?

All I know is that Vernon Davis is Dorothy.

Tin man: no heart. Kam ripped it out of his chest. Dorothy had bigger balls than Vernon these last few years.

Vernon was a great 49er and Tin Man was actually one of Gabbert's nicknames in Jacksonville