Colin Kaepernick Thread

Originally posted by fropwns:

Originally posted by jedediahyork:

Originally posted by fropwns:
How about I make this easy for you. I think he was the strength of that run and that you are conveniently forgetting the s**t hole we were in when we played that game. Or they forget the run we went on with him as our QB.

2012 vs GB: Kaep started poorly (early pick), finished strong:

• Over a 181 yards on the ground and two tds
• Over 260 yards in the air and two tds

2012 vs Atl

• The Niners came back from 17 points down and won their first road playoff game in 24 years.
• Kaep was 16/21 for 233 and a td; plus he added 21 yards on the ground.

2012 vs Blt

• After the return of Jones, the Niners were down 28-6; hell with it, just read it man: http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/2/4/3949488/super-bowl-2013-colin-kaepernick-49ers

Without this man, we wouldn't have even been in the game. Let alone had a chance to win it. If this is his greatest achievement, then so be it. But don't tell me that he had no impact. Or that I don't know football. I know winning. And this man has brought us closer than anyone else playing under center since Steve Young.

And yet, we wouldn't have been in those holes if he didn't start poorly (the Green Bay game he was at least able to score in the first half). Thankfully the defense was able to hold two of the best offenses in the NFL to a total of 10 second half points while he got his shiz together. And then in the Super Bowl, he had another horrible start.

But by stating it this way, you are supporting my point. He made all the difference. If we are behind because of him. We came back because of him. The defense on those runs were good, but not 2011 good. I will concede this. Of course, you need both. Neither was perfect, but Kaep made the difference for us in our second playoff run. He destroyed the Packers. Mauled them. Just nasty stuff.

He didn't make "all the difference." He played poorly in the first half of those games, and luckily the defense was able to step up their game in the second half to compensate. People like to complain about the defense disappearing, but forget the defense held two of the best offenses long enough to give Kap a chance to make up for poor play. If the defense doesn't hold those two teams to 10 total points in a combined four quarters, it doesn't matter how many points the offense scores. He scored 0 points in the first quarter of the ATL game and played from behind most of the game, but at least he was able to score in the GB game keeping it somewhat competitive after throwing that pick.

And look at the Super Bowl. Nobody would be talking about a comeback against prevent defense if Kap could score more than 6 points in the first half of that game.

It was a good team effort. Kap was not the reason we won those games, and he wasn't the reason we lost the Super Bowl. But he most definitely didn't play well enough to win the Super Bowl, just like the rest of the team didn't play well enough to win it.

Originally posted by Blindfury:

Thank god Kap's 1st read was open to make these throws and he didn't have to go thru any progressions..

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

SF 41 NE 34
SEA 42 SF 13
SF 27 AZ 13
SF 45 GB 31
SF 28 ATL 24
BAL 34 SF 31

We gave up 29.7 points per game the last 6 games of the season.....which not coincidentally was when Justin and Aldon were either out injured or ineffectively playing hurt. Just baffles me how at this point in the season any reasonable person could say the strength of a team was defense when they are giving up 30 points a game.

This is true. Defense was not the same starting in the 2nd half of that NE game. That's when Justin got hurt, and soon after Aldon got hurt. Took away a huge element of our defense... those two dominating the LOS. Our defense gave up way too many big plays in that playoff run.

On an unrelated note this is why I'd love to get Mohammed Wilkerson in free agency! He and Lynch would wreak havoc IMO.

Originally posted by JoeMoKnows:

I'll make it simple for those having a hard time with "FOOTBALL" the business.

If York, Baalke, Chip decide to keep Kap for 2016 for 11+ million, Kap better win games (this is his last chance/season to perform as a franchise starting QB for the 49ers).

If Kap fails, he's done with the 49ers. This is Baalke's last chance as GM as well and Chip 1st year to prove his 6 million per year worth, why he will bench Kap fast if Kap starts and fails.

If Kap fails, Baalke's job is on the line, Chip's job is on the line next. Kap is the weakest link in the equation as he is on a year to year contract, playing like a backup the last 2 seasons and got 2 head coaches fired back to back. Kap's job is on the line BEFORE ANY ONE ELSE if the team fails to win.

Therefore if Kap is kept in 2016 and Kap fails, then Kap is done with 49ers. That's the bottom line. All you Kap die hard homers, realize that. No one cares about Kap's past stats, according to his homers and as they like to think, he supposedly was the strength, the leader, the QB who carried the team to the Super Bowl, took the league by storm etc etc etc etc etc all of it even if it is all true means absolutely nothing now in 2016. Kap either performs in 2016 with the 49ers or he is gone, BET ON IT

Way to go out on a limb there.

Originally posted by jeepzilla:
Thank god Kap's 1st read was open to make these throws and he didn't have to go thru any progressions..

Exactly. But don't tell that to the blind homers that still clings to the past before everyone and their grand mom figured out kap's flaws and shortcomings

"If Kap is kept in 2016 and Kap fails, then Kap is done with 49ers. That's the bottom line."

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:
On an unrelated note this is why I'd love to get Mohammed Wilkerson in free agency! He and Lynch would wreak havoc IMO.

If he's allowed to hit free agency, he should be our #1 target. He's an elite talent, we'll get our money's worth. Just like when we signed Justin Smith in 2008. Then shore up the o-line, and we might be in decent shape next year..

Originally posted by JoeMoKnows:

Originally posted by jeepzilla:

Thank god Kap's 1st read was open to make these throws and he didn't have to go thru any progressions..

Exactly. But don't tell that to the blind homers that still clings to the past before everyone and their grand mom figured out kap's flaws and shortcomings

"If Kap is kept in 2016 and Kap fails, then Kap is done with 49ers. That's the bottom line."

Duh

Originally posted by ChipDouglas510:

Originally posted by JoeMoKnows:
I'll make it simple for those having a hard time with "FOOTBALL" the business.

If York, Baalke, Chip decide to keep Kap for 2016 for 11+ million, Kap better win games (this is his last chance/season to perform as a franchise starting QB for the 49ers).

If Kap fails, he's done with the 49ers. This is Baalke's last chance as GM as well and Chip 1st year to prove his 6 million per year worth, why he will bench Kap fast if Kap starts and fails.

If Kap fails, Baalke's job is on the line, Chip's job is on the line next. Kap is the weakest link in the equation as he is on a year to year contract, playing like a backup the last 2 seasons and got 2 head coaches fired back to back. Kap's job is on the line BEFORE ANY ONE ELSE if the team fails to win.

Therefore if Kap is kept in 2016 and Kap fails, then Kap is done with 49ers. That's the bottom line. All you Kap die hard homers, realize that. No one cares about Kap's past stats, according to his homers and as they like to think, he supposedly was the strength, the leader, the QB who carried the team to the Super Bowl, took the league by storm etc etc etc etc etc all of it even if it is all true means absolutely nothing now in 2016. Kap either performs in 2016 with the 49ers or he is gone, BET ON IT

Way to go out on a limb there.

Sure, kap will make Super Bowl again under Kelly

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

What Kaepernick has become has absolutely ZERO relevance to what he was. And what he was, was the absolute strength of the team. I am curious to know what JoeMoKnows thinks was the strength of the team because he clearly wont share his opinion.

But I would like to believe he is smart enough to NOT think the strength of the team was the defense.....a unit that was giving up damn near 30 points a game for our final month + playoffs.

Lol wut?

The D for 3 years was top 5 in almost every category. Yes, the defense was stronger than the bottom ranked offense. You think we get to the post season with a s**t D?

You can laugh all you want. Aldon Smith and Justin Smith were both injured and our defense was AWFUL for the last 6 games of the season.

People remember what they want to remember.

Why don't you post the schedule and scores for us...

SF 41 NE 34
SEA 42 SF 13
SF 27 AZ 13
SF 45 GB 31
SF 28 ATL 24
BAL 34 SF 31

We gave up 29.7 points per game the last 6 games of the season.....which not coincidentally was when Justin and Aldon were either out injured or ineffectively playing hurt. Just baffles me how at this point in the season any reasonable person could say the strength of a team was defense when they are giving up 30 points a game.

NE we had a 4th quarter meltdown. Through the first 3 quarts we held them to 10 points. And we had a couple of 3 and outs that didn't help. Plus it's Brady.

Seattle we couldn't score or sustain drives. That falls on the offense just as much.

Arizona was a dominant performance.

Green Bay...first drive ended in a pick 6.

Atlanta we didn't get a first down until the second quarter. And the RB's did the bulk of the work for us in that game. Gore had more runs than Kap did completions.

And regarding the Suoerbowl I've already discussed numerous times the fumble and ST TD...had they not happened we win.


So if you would like to recalculate numbers you might get a different picture.

30 points per game is terrible any way you slice it.
What is there to recalculate?

Originally posted by fropwns:

Originally posted by jedediahyork:

Originally posted by fropwns:

How about I make this easy for you. I think he was the strength of that run and that you are conveniently forgetting the s**t hole we were in when we played that game. Or they forget the run we went on with him as our QB.

2012 vs GB: Kaep started poorly (early pick), finished strong:

• Over a 181 yards on the ground and two tds
• Over 260 yards in the air and two tds

2012 vs Atl

• The Niners came back from 17 points down and won their first road playoff game in 24 years.
• Kaep was 16/21 for 233 and a td; plus he added 21 yards on the ground.

2012 vs Blt

• After the return of Jones, the Niners were down 28-6; hell with it, just read it man: http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/2/4/3949488/super-bowl-2013-colin-kaepernick-49ers

Without this man, we wouldn't have even been in the game. Let alone had a chance to win it. If this is his greatest achievement, then so be it. But don't tell me that he had no impact. Or that I don't know football. I know winning. And this man has brought us closer than anyone else playing under center since Steve Young.

And yet, we wouldn't have been in those holes if he didn't start poorly (the Green Bay game he was at least able to score in the first half). Thankfully the defense was able to hold two of the best offenses in the NFL to a total of 10 second half points while he got his shiz together. And then in the Super Bowl, he had another horrible start.

But by stating it this way, you are supporting my point. He made all the difference. If we are behind because of him. We came back because of him. The defense on those runs were good, but not 2011 good. I will concede this. Of course, you need both. Neither was perfect, but Kaep made the difference for us in our second playoff run. He destroyed the Packers. Mauled them. Just nasty stuff.

What's even more interesting is people saying that Kaeps been 'figured out'. After that destruction of Green Bay they had all off season to prepare for him. Instead he goes out and puts up 400 yards passing.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by JoeMoKnows:

Originally posted by jeepzilla:
Thank god Kap's 1st read was open to make these throws and he didn't have to go thru any progressions..

Exactly. But don't tell that to the blind homers that still clings to the past before everyone and their grand mom figured out kap's flaws and shortcomings

"If Kap is kept in 2016 and Kap fails, then Kap is done with 49ers. That's the bottom line."

Duh

Good. Kap's past stats pre 2016 means absolute jack poop, his bosses don't care. He has done jack poop in the last 2 seasons also. Prove it in 2016 or he's gone, GL with that

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:

Originally posted by fropwns:

Originally posted by jedediahyork:

Originally posted by fropwns:
How about I make this easy for you. I think he was the strength of that run and that you are conveniently forgetting the s**t hole we were in when we played that game. Or they forget the run we went on with him as our QB.

2012 vs GB: Kaep started poorly (early pick), finished strong:

• Over a 181 yards on the ground and two tds
• Over 260 yards in the air and two tds

2012 vs Atl

• The Niners came back from 17 points down and won their first road playoff game in 24 years.
• Kaep was 16/21 for 233 and a td; plus he added 21 yards on the ground.

2012 vs Blt

• After the return of Jones, the Niners were down 28-6; hell with it, just read it man: http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/2/4/3949488/super-bowl-2013-colin-kaepernick-49ers

Without this man, we wouldn't have even been in the game. Let alone had a chance to win it. If this is his greatest achievement, then so be it. But don't tell me that he had no impact. Or that I don't know football. I know winning. And this man has brought us closer than anyone else playing under center since Steve Young.

And yet, we wouldn't have been in those holes if he didn't start poorly (the Green Bay game he was at least able to score in the first half). Thankfully the defense was able to hold two of the best offenses in the NFL to a total of 10 second half points while he got his shiz together. And then in the Super Bowl, he had another horrible start.

But by stating it this way, you are supporting my point. He made all the difference. If we are behind because of him. We came back because of him. The defense on those runs were good, but not 2011 good. I will concede this. Of course, you need both. Neither was perfect, but Kaep made the difference for us in our second playoff run. He destroyed the Packers. Mauled them. Just nasty stuff.

What's even more interesting is people saying that Kaeps been 'figured out'. After that destruction of Green Bay they had all off season to prepare for him. Instead he goes out and puts up 400 yards passing.

Because they prepared for him running the ball.

Originally posted by fropwns:

Nah, not whoa. Quality posting. That is needed around here. So, when it comes out, shiiiiiiiieeeeet we should all be pushing for more of it.

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:

On an unrelated note this is why I'd love to get Mohammed Wilkerson in free agency! He and Lynch would wreak havoc IMO.

If he's allowed to hit free agency, he should be our #1 target. He's an elite talent, we'll get our money's worth. Just like when we signed Justin Smith in 2008. Then shore up the o-line, and we might be in decent shape next year..

I can only pray it happens!

Originally posted by JoeMoKnows:

Originally posted by jeepzilla:
Thank god Kap's 1st read was open to make these throws and he didn't have to go thru any progressions..

Exactly. But don't tell that to the blind homers that still clings to the past before everyone and their grand mom figured out kap's flaws and shortcomings

"If Kap is kept in 2016 and Kap fails, then Kap is done with 49ers. That's the bottom line."

Dude, wait, what? Did you just quote yourself? As if it is fact?