Colin Kaepernick Thread

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:
What's even more interesting is people saying that Kaeps been 'figured out'. After that destruction of Green Bay they had all off season to prepare for him. Instead he goes out and puts up 400 yards passing.

His bosses don't care about past stats. Keep that in mind LOL

Originally posted by fropwns:

Originally posted by JoeMoKnows:

Originally posted by jeepzilla:
Thank god Kap's 1st read was open to make these throws and he didn't have to go thru any progressions..

Exactly. But don't tell that to the blind homers that still clings to the past before everyone and their grand mom figured out kap's flaws and shortcomings

"If Kap is kept in 2016 and Kap fails, then Kap is done with 49ers. That's the bottom line."

Dude, wait, what? Did you just quote yourself? As if it is fact?

Up to you. You don't believe the point, I don't care. Anyone care to continue to bring up pre 2016 kap means absolute nothing to his bosses, that's the point. And that's a fact

You and everyone else do realize that the 49er FO has fired everyone else around kap in order to improve the team??? LOL!!!

If they bring back kap again in 2016, who else is there to get rid of for the failure since 2014? Other than Baalke himself? lol...

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

30 points per game is terrible any way you slice it.
What is there to recalculate?

It's not 30 points per game when you subtract ST TD's and pick 6's.

The D didn't give up that many points in the Super Bowl. 27 if you subtract a returned kick. Plus the LMJ fumble had them in our territory if I remember correctly.

GB didn't score that much on us. They put up 24, the other points came from a pick 6.

Take out the abomination of Seattle because the offense couldn't do anything, and correct for ST TD's and other stuff and the numbers come down.

Here is the thing. If Kaep is here, I hope he does well. I hope Kelly can get him back on the path, but if not then JoeMoKnows is absolutely right. Kaep is gone. And maybe some others. While what he once did is over. What bothers me about all of this is that by discounting what he did, the assumption is that he can never get back. Hell, I guess we all have our moments. I never thought Carson Palmer would come back. Same for Cam. Same for Rich Gannon.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
What Kaepernick has become has absolutely ZERO relevance to what he was. And what he was, was the absolute strength of the team. I am curious to know what JoeMoKnows thinks was the strength of the team because he clearly wont share his opinion.

But I would like to believe he is smart enough to NOT think the strength of the team was the defense.....a unit that was giving up damn near 30 points a game for our final month + playoffs.

Lol wut?

The D for 3 years was top 5 in almost every category. Yes, the defense was stronger than the bottom ranked offense. You think we get to the post season with a s**t D?

You can laugh all you want. Aldon Smith and Justin Smith were both injured and our defense was AWFUL for the last 6 games of the season.

People remember what they want to remember.

Why don't you post the schedule and scores for us...

SF 41 NE 34
SEA 42 SF 13
SF 27 AZ 13
SF 45 GB 31
SF 28 ATL 24
BAL 34 SF 31

We gave up 29.7 points per game the last 6 games of the season.....which not coincidentally was when Justin and Aldon were either out injured or ineffectively playing hurt. Just baffles me how at this point in the season any reasonable person could say the strength of a team was defense when they are giving up 30 points a game.

29.7 PPG would have ranked dead last in the NFL that year.

Silly argument - we probably wouldn't have made the playoffs without a top defense that year. There's no denying Kaep got hot in the playoffs and we're now paying for it. The Ravens can say the same thing about Flacco. And 5 of those 6 teams were playoff teams - it's not realistic to assume our defense minus Justin Smith and Aldon Smith would have given up 30 points per game for an entire season based on a 6 game stretch against tough opponents.

Kaepernick played well in the playoffs in 2012, but any QB could have played well in that offense with one of the best offensive lines in the league, a top 5 RB, top 5 TE, and top 10 WR, Alex Smith was putting up awesome numbers pre-injury and he was not a great QB back then (he's gotten better since going to the Chiefs). So yes, Kaepernick had a few good games at the end of the year and in the playoffs before defenses figured him out, but he hasn't played at that level since and he's getting paid a lot of money if he may not even be the starter.

In my opinion, Chip Kelly is trying to display confidence in Gabbert without trashing Kaepernick and ruining any trade value he has if any. I don't expect us to keep both of them unless we're sold that Kaepernick is the starter and I don't get that sense. If there's any uncertainty, we should cut/trade Kaep rather than risk paying our backup $13.4 million in salary, roster bonus, and workout bonus for 2016.

Originally posted by JoeMoKnows:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Dude...what?!?

This is what you said:

"Neither had a good head coach like Harb who held the QB's hand like a baby and more importantly, neither has a championship caliber defense to carry them. And for those who think Kap was the strength of that Super Bowl 49er team doesn't know football"

Which was a response to:

"Neither have gone to the Super Bowl. Neither have brought their team back during a horrific first half of the Super Bowl."

So again, I ask you.....what was the strength of that team?

Go figure it out yourself... Now troll AWAY...

JoeMoKnows....
It's s**t comments like yours that just blows my mind you don't get banned.
Your remarks are repetitive, old, and without any backing.
When you claim Kap is the reason we lost the SB you lose all credibility.
Obviously you didn't watch the game or the playoff runs... That's fine.
To not understand that our defense didn't play up to there standards thru the playoff runs makes me question any football knowledge you have.
Man up and answer the question you were asked and back it with statistics.

Originally posted by fropwns:

Here is the thing. If Kaep is here, I hope he does well. I hope Kelly can get him back on the path, but if not then JoeMoKnows is absolutely right. Kaep is gone. And maybe some others. While what he once did is over. What bothers me about all of this is that by discounting what he did, the assumption is that he can never get back. Hell, I guess we all have our moments. I never thought Carson Palmer would come back. Same for Cam. Same for Rich Gannon.

I agree. If Kaep is back then I hope he does well. It's hard for me to imagine that a guy who displayed so much raw ability to dominate could suddenly become an awful QB.

The best case scenario for the 49ers would be if Kaep returns to his rookie season style of play including the confidence. I don't think we should forget how monumentally awful the JimmyT era was.

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Silly argument - we probably wouldn't have made the playoffs without a top defense that year. There's no denying Kaep got hot in the playoffs and we're now paying for it. The Ravens can say the same thing about Flacco. And 5 of those 6 teams were playoff teams - it's not realistic to assume our defense minus Justin Smith and Aldon Smith would have given up 30 points per game for an entire season based on a 6 game stretch against tough opponents.

Kaepernick played well in the playoffs in 2012, but any QB could have played well in that offense with one of the best offensive lines in the league, a top 5 RB, top 5 TE, and top 10 WR, Alex Smith was putting up awesome numbers pre-injury and he was not a great QB back then (he's gotten better since going to the Chiefs). So yes, Kaepernick had a few good games at the end of the year and in the playoffs before defenses figured him out, but he hasn't played at that level since and he's getting paid a lot of money if he may not even be the starter.

In my opinion, Chip Kelly is trying to display confidence in Gabbert without trashing Kaepernick and ruining any trade value he has if any. I don't expect us to keep both of them unless we're sold that Kaepernick is the starter and I don't get that sense. If there's any uncertainty, we should cut/trade Kaep rather than risk paying our backup $13.4 million in salary, roster bonus, and workout bonus for 2016.

Lmfao. Dudes constantly try trying to discredit Kap. First it's, anybody could have won with that defense. Then when people post up facts stating it's wrong, now it's anyone could have won in that offense.

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Silly argument - we probably wouldn't have made the playoffs without a top defense that year. There's no denying Kaep got hot in the playoffs and we're now paying for it. The Ravens can say the same thing about Flacco. And 5 of those 6 teams were playoff teams - it's not realistic to assume our defense minus Justin Smith and Aldon Smith would have given up 30 points per game for an entire season based on a 6 game stretch against tough opponents.

Kaepernick played well in the playoffs in 2012, but any QB could have played well in that offense with one of the best offensive lines in the league, a top 5 RB, top 5 TE, and top 10 WR, Alex Smith was putting up awesome numbers pre-injury and he was not a great QB back then (he's gotten better since going to the Chiefs). So yes, Kaepernick had a few good games at the end of the year and in the playoffs before defenses figured him out, but he hasn't played at that level since and he's getting paid a lot of money if he may not even be the starter.

In my opinion, Chip Kelly is trying to display confidence in Gabbert without trashing Kaepernick and ruining any trade value he has if any. I don't expect us to keep both of them unless we're sold that Kaepernick is the starter and I don't get that sense. If there's any uncertainty, we should cut/trade Kaep rather than risk paying our backup $13.4 million in salary, roster bonus, and workout bonus for 2016.

Lmfao. Dudes constantly try trying to discredit Kap. First it's, anybody could have won with that defense. Then when people post up facts stating it's wrong, now it's anyone could have won in that offense.

Heh. Agree. Ask Green Bay about Kaeps 200 yards rushing. I think they went all defense in the draft the following year.

Originally posted by JoeMoKnows:

Originally posted by fropwns:

Originally posted by JoeMoKnows:

Originally posted by jeepzilla:
Thank god Kap's 1st read was open to make these throws and he didn't have to go thru any progressions..

Exactly. But don't tell that to the blind homers that still clings to the past before everyone and their grand mom figured out kap's flaws and shortcomings

"If Kap is kept in 2016 and Kap fails, then Kap is done with 49ers. That's the bottom line."

Dude, wait, what? Did you just quote yourself? As if it is fact?

Up to you. You don't believe the point, I don't care. Anyone care to continue to bring up pre 2016 kap means absolute nothing to his bosses, that's point. And that's a fact

You and everyone else do realize that the 49er FO has fired everyone else around kap in order to improve the team??? LOL!!!

If they bring back kap again in 2016, who else it there to get rid of for the failure since 2014? Other than Baalke himself? lol...

Originally posted by fropwns:
Here is the thing. If Kaep is here, I hope he does well. I hope Kelly can get him back on the path, but if not then JoeMoKnows is absolutely right. Kaep is gone. And maybe some others. While what he once did is over. What bothers me about all of this is that by discounting what he did, the assumption is that he can never get back. Hell, I guess we all have our moments. I never thought Carson Palmer would come back. Same for Cam. Same for Rich Gannon.

Kap might come back in the NFL but it's not going to be with the 49ers. And even then he will still be as inconsistent as when he was with the 49ers.

Like I have said, kap is done with the 49ers regardless if they keep him for 2016 or not. As soon as Harb was fired, the writing was on the wall for kap as a 49er.

Originally posted by fropwns:

Here is the thing. If Kaep is here, I hope he does well. I hope Kelly can get him back on the path, but if not then JoeMoKnows is absolutely right. Kaep is gone. And maybe some others. While what he once did is over. What bothers me about all of this is that by discounting what he did, the assumption is that he can never get back. Hell, I guess we all have our moments. I never thought Carson Palmer would come back. Same for Cam. Same for Rich Gannon.

Cam is a good example, getting a 2nd chance with the same team/staff. Every player knows, you have to prove it, every time you go out there.

Peyton Manning has to prove to us this weekend that he was once a great QB

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:
Silly argument - we probably wouldn't have made the playoffs without a top defense that year. There's no denying Kaep got hot in the playoffs and we're now paying for it. The Ravens can say the same thing about Flacco. And 5 of those 6 teams were playoff teams - it's not realistic to assume our defense minus Justin Smith and Aldon Smith would have given up 30 points per game for an entire season based on a 6 game stretch against tough opponents.

Kaepernick played well in the playoffs in 2012, but any QB could have played well in that offense with one of the best offensive lines in the league, a top 5 RB, top 5 TE, and top 10 WR, Alex Smith was putting up awesome numbers pre-injury and he was not a great QB back then (he's gotten better since going to the Chiefs). So yes, Kaepernick had a few good games at the end of the year and in the playoffs before defenses figured him out, but he hasn't played at that level since and he's getting paid a lot of money if he may not even be the starter.

In my opinion, Chip Kelly is trying to display confidence in Gabbert without trashing Kaepernick and ruining any trade value he has if any. I don't expect us to keep both of them unless we're sold that Kaepernick is the starter and I don't get that sense. If there's any uncertainty, we should cut/trade Kaep rather than risk paying our backup $13.4 million in salary, roster bonus, and workout bonus for 2016.

Lmfao. Dudes constantly try trying to discredit Kap. First it's, anybody could have won with that defense. Then when people post up facts stating it's wrong, now it's anyone could have won in that offense.

Kaep deserves some credit, but so does the offensive line, Frank Gore, Vernon Davis, and Michael Crabtree. Kaep played well in the playoffs, but people are trying to act like he didn't have any help when he had one of the best supporting casts in the league on offense that year and an elite defense for most of the year. Didn't say anyone could have won those playoff games - those were Kaep's best games as a 49er. But almost any QB in the league could have made the playoffs on that roster. We were loaded back in 2012 which is why you saw Alex Smith putting up career numbers too.

Originally posted by jreff22:

It's not 30 points per game when you subtract ST TD's and pick 6's.

The D didn't give up that many points in the Super Bowl. 27 if you subtract a returned kick. Plus the LMJ fumble had them in our territory if I remember correctly.

GB didn't score that much on us. They put up 24, the other points came from a pick 6.

Take out the abomination of Seattle because the offense couldn't do anything, and correct for ST TD's and other stuff and the numbers come down.

The numbers come down, but not enough to be respectable man. And the LMJ fumble didn't have them in our territory, they took over on their own 25. But keep trying to take credit from the guy that deserved it that playoff run

Dang Kaep is a goner imo now after watching the interview? Odds are he's traded/released. I would love to see if He would do good in Chips system and be salvaged.

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Kaep deserves some credit, but so does the offensive line, Frank Gore, Vernon Davis, and Michael Crabtree. Kaep played well in the playoffs, but people are trying to act like he didn't have any help when he had one of the best supporting casts in the league on offense that year and an elite defense for most of the year. Didn't say anyone could have won those playoff games - those were Kaep's best games as a 49er. But almost any QB in the league could have made the playoffs on that roster. We were loaded back in 2012 which is why you saw Alex Smith putting up career numbers too.

When the offense is running like that, it's the QB that gets the credit and rightfully so. Considering our offense put up more points per game with less support from the defense with Kap at QB, I'd say he made a pretty big difference.