Colin Kaepernick Thread

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by jreff22:
If we are going to trade Kap it's got to be a draft day trade.

No team will want to take on his salary.

That's usually a sign-trade deal.

How would that work?

aren't sign & trades almost never done in the NFL? that's mostly the NBA I think

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by KP82:

Why is everyone so anti-Kaep ? I know he's damages goods, but maybe playing in a system where he can use his legs will get his career back on track.

He needs to be accurate with quick passes and sound pre snap decision making. If he's not the guy (not saying he is or isn't) this is the only time to get value via a trade. If he stinks next year nobody will want a 20mill backup the following year.

If they are looking to trade him they are likely willing to release him with the way his contract is structured and other teams know this.

But he's hurt. I think his injury clause restricts that.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by jreff22:

If we are going to trade Kap it's got to be a draft day trade.

No team will want to take on his salary.

That's usually a sign-trade deal.

How would that work?

aren't sign & trades almost never done in the NFL? that's mostly the NBA I think

That is my impression which is why I asked and I can't figure out what would motivate the parties involved to do something like that.

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by KP82:
Why is everyone so anti-Kaep ? I know he's damages goods, but maybe playing in a system where he can use his legs will get his career back on track.

that's just a myth of Chip's offense.

This. His system is based on accuracy number one and making quick decisions. Athleticism is a bonus. The priority is to make quick decisions, accurate throws, get it in the hands of playmakers and keep that insane tempo going. Keep the defense on their heels.

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by KP82:

Why is everyone so anti-Kaep ? I know he's damages goods, but maybe playing in a system where he can use his legs will get his career back on track.

He needs to be accurate with quick passes and sound pre snap decision making. If he's not the guy (not saying he is or isn't) this is the only time to get value via a trade. If he stinks next year nobody will want a 20mill backup the following year.

If they are looking to trade him they are likely willing to release him with the way his contract is structured and other teams know this.

But he's hurt. I think his injury clause restricts that.

If he is injured enough for that clause to come in he isn't passing a physical for a trade either.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by KP82:

Why is everyone so anti-Kaep ? I know he's damages goods, but maybe playing in a system where he can use his legs will get his career back on track.

He needs to be accurate with quick passes and sound pre snap decision making. If he's not the guy (not saying he is or isn't) this is the only time to get value via a trade. If he stinks next year nobody will want a 20mill backup the following year.

If they are looking to trade him they are likely willing to release him with the way his contract is structured and other teams know this.

But he's hurt. I think his injury clause restricts that.

If he is injured enough for that clause to come in he isn't passing a physical for a trade either.

The payment deadline is April 1. The draft is roughly 30 days later. I'm sure the pick would have some kind of conditional waiver if he failed. The only coach I can think of that would want him, and has personnel control is Hue.

you guys are overthinking this.

With an improved Oline, and a competent offensive mind...

IMO, Kaepernick is going to be the day one starter. Kaepernick is accurate enough for Chip's system... or just in general.

and I also think Gabbert is good enough to look MUCH better in Chip's system...than he has in the past. I'm just not sure how he'd preform in the Playoffs.

Like I said before, it is a luxury that we have 2 QBs that can fit this system. Injuries can happen. Both would be needed to keep playoff hopes alive.

basically.

Kaepernick will be kept because of what he did the past, pre Tomsula. BUT if he is inconsistent in practice and on the field during the 2016 season....and Gabbert plays similar or better. Then yes, Kaepernick would be gone before April 2017.

Originally posted by Afrikan:
you guys are overthinking this.

With an improved Oline, and a competent offensive mind...

IMO, Kaepernick is going to be the day one starter. Kaepernick is accurate enough for Chip's system... or just in general.

and I also think Gabbert is good enough to look MUCH better in Chip's system...than he has in the past. I'm just not sure how he'd preform in the Playoffs.

Like I said before, it is a luxury that we have 2 QBs that can fit this system. Injuries can happen. Both would be needed to keep playoff hopes alive.

basically.

Kaepernick will be kept because of what he did the past, pre Tomsula. BUT if he is inconsistent in practice and on the field during the 2016 season....and Gabbert plays similar or better. Then yes, Kaepernick would be gone before April 2017.

Agree. I think both Quarterbacks will really benefit from Kelly's coaching. There's a lot of quick-strikes, WR bubble screens for easy completions. Pass protection MUST be much improved tho. Kelly sends 5 guys running routes often, the burden is on the o-line to pass protect even more than before.

Originally posted by Afrikan:
you guys are overthinking this.

With an improved Oline, and a competent offensive mind...

IMO, Kaepernick is going to be the day one starter. Kaepernick is accurate enough for Chip's system... or just in general.

and I also think Gabbert is good enough to look MUCH better in Chip's system...than he has in the past. I'm just not sure how he'd preform in the Playoffs.

Like I said before, it is a luxury that we have 2 QBs that can fit this system. Injuries can happen. Both would be needed to keep playoff hopes alive.

basically.

Kaepernick will be kept because of what he did the past, pre Tomsula. BUT if he is inconsistent in practice and on the field during the 2016 season....and Gabbert plays similar or better. Then yes, Kaepernick would be gone before April 2017.

Im in the "will be released before April 2016" camp. I dont believe anyone will trade for him, and If the injury doesn't prevent the release from happening, it will happen.

Originally posted by IdahoNiner:

Originally posted by Afrikan:
you guys are overthinking this.

With an improved Oline, and a competent offensive mind...

IMO, Kaepernick is going to be the day one starter. Kaepernick is accurate enough for Chip's system... or just in general.

and I also think Gabbert is good enough to look MUCH better in Chip's system...than he has in the past. I'm just not sure how he'd preform in the Playoffs.

Like I said before, it is a luxury that we have 2 QBs that can fit this system. Injuries can happen. Both would be needed to keep playoff hopes alive.

basically.

Kaepernick will be kept because of what he did the past, pre Tomsula. BUT if he is inconsistent in practice and on the field during the 2016 season....and Gabbert plays similar or better. Then yes, Kaepernick would be gone before April 2017.

Im in the "will be released before April 2016" camp. I dont believe anyone will trade for him, and If the injury doesn't prevent the release from happening, it will happen.

for what reason though? Why would they release him? To save Cap space? That's not our issue this year.

If Gabbert out performs him for some reason, some seem to think that the team wouldn't pay that much for a backup.... well, usually that is the case. But if were looking into making a playoff run...then I think they'd rather have both QBs...just in case.

then be prepared for the QB position next season.

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by jreff22:
He needs to be accurate with quick passes and sound pre snap decision making. If he's not the guy (not saying he is or isn't) this is the only time to get value via a trade. If he stinks next year nobody will want a 20mill backup the following year.

Kaepernick had highest inaccuracy % in NFL last year overall and on short throws (0-9 yds). #49ers

Thats because he actually attempts real passes, no dink and dunk meaningless stat yards. What was Gabberts 3rd down conversion rate? Dude doesn't even try.

No way is Kaep healthy April 1st, here's what I think is gonna happen, I think its gonna be an open competition Kaep vs Gabs and if Kaep loses the job preseason then I see an early season trade to a team like Clevage or the Jets.

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by jreff22:
He needs to be accurate with quick passes and sound pre snap decision making. If he's not the guy (not saying he is or isn't) this is the only time to get value via a trade. If he stinks next year nobody will want a 20mill backup the following year.

Kaepernick had highest inaccuracy % in NFL last year overall and on short throws (0-9 yds). #49ers

Thats because he actually attempts real passes, no dink and dunk meaningless stat yards. What was Gabberts 3rd down conversion rate? Dude doesn't even try.

and I'm sure that Green Bay game didn't help... Kap was spooked like crazy... throwing away passes if the receiver was covered.

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by jreff22:

He needs to be accurate with quick passes and sound pre snap decision making. If he's not the guy (not saying he is or isn't) this is the only time to get value via a trade. If he stinks next year nobody will want a 20mill backup the following year.

Kaepernick had highest inaccuracy % in NFL last year overall and on short throws (0-9 yds). #49ers

Thats because he actually attempts real passes, no dink and dunk meaningless stat yards. What was Gabberts 3rd down conversion rate? Dude doesn't even try.

So every other QB doesn't attempt real passes? And he can't even hit the dink and dunkers.....

Originally posted by ElephantHaley:
No way is Kaep healthy April 1st, here's what I think is gonna happen, I think its gonna be an open competition Kaep vs Gabs and if Kaep loses the job preseason then I see an early season trade to a team like Clevage or the Jets.

Again, not happening. For one, you don't do QB competitions when one of your QB's has a $60 mil contract and the other is $2 mil. You're saying right there that Kap isn't worth his contract because it would be questioning him as a starter. Two, a trade is highly unlikely with the contract that Kap has, we are better off hoping for a trade for Gabbert and getting a good pick in return.