Colin Kaepernick Thread

Originally posted by Kense:
Get ready for half the board to kill themselves, then when Kap starts doing good again. Silence.

Let us know when and if that ever happens...

Bottom line, 49ers need to get a head coach and QB that can beat Seattle and AZ 2x a year and then they will be 1 step closer to the next SB, until then, they will be drafting top 10 every year.

For those people that still think Harb is that head coach and/or kap is that QB, been there done that, even with a championship caliber defense (which is gone) they couldn't get it done.

If the 49ers keep kap for 2016, this will be his 3rd head coach. Not many young QB survives, thrives and improves on their 3rd coaching staff (learning, relearning) and kap's contract is way over paid to warrant the 49ers keeping him, that's the bottom line and everyone knows it.

lol

Originally posted by Buchy:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Sorry to derail, but Ken Dorsey threw 249 yards against a Seattle team that went to the Super Bowl that year.

Sorry I figured the Gabbert threw 264 yards @ Seattle was used up already.

They were nowhere near the quality of defense that Seattle has now. In 2013 that Seattle defense was being favourably compared with the 85 bears. The 2005 defense was ranked 7th in the league compared to the 1st ranked defence we've seen the last couple of seasons.

How is 7th and 1st nowhere near?? That's still top 10 and that was still KEN DORSEY.

Kap will never beat Seattle in Seattle, he's had tons of chances to prove it, even with a elite team by his side. And in the end that's the ultimate goal to winning the West, Seattle is Kap's Kryptonite.

Originally posted by JoeMoKnows:

Originally posted by Kense:
Get ready for half the board to kill themselves, then when Kap starts doing good again. Silence.

Let us know when and if that ever happens...

Bottom line, 49ers need to get a head coach and QB that can beat Seattle and AZ 2x a year and then they will be 1 step closer to the next SB, until then, they will be drafting top 10 every year.

For those people that still think Harb is that head coach and/or kap is that QB, been there done that, even with a championship caliber defense (which is gone) they couldn't get it done.

If the 49ers keep kap for 2016, this will be his 3rd head coach. Not many young QB survives, thrives and improves on their 3rd coaching staff (learning, relearning) and kap's contract is way over paid to warrant the 49ers keeping him, that's the bottom line and everyone knows it.

I guess him going to get his thumb fixed is considered 'doing good again/silence' lol.

Originally posted by SundayTicket:

Originally posted by Kense:

Originally posted by SundayTicket:

What would you expect the board to do if he started doing good again? Damnnn bro make up your mind lol.

If Kap does good again like he did in prior seasons, the entire board will shut up and u SHOULD be happy about it. I dont think theres nothing more than a majority of the people here would like, than to see Kaepernick turn it around and light this place up and carry our team. But from my stand point hes only been regressing since the end of 2013 and i dont expect it, nor am I willing to waste more time on him. Ive learned my lesson on that. If we want to use Gab or Kap as a stop gap so be it.

I think for both sides of this argument, ideally we keep kap, and we draft a QB round 1. Let Kap battle it out for the people who still thinks hes got it, and also gives us fans who do not think he has it anymore, something to look forward to in case we are right.

The reason alot of people outside of this forum want Kap gone is because of his regression and the $$$cap hit we get from him, at least thats what ive come to understand from the outside webzone world.

Outside of this Forum? Do you live in the Bay Area? Nobody here wants him gone. They gave him an ovation when he came back into the game this year. So what do you mean outside this forum?

Yes i live in the Bay area. Yes i work in the Bay area. I read newspapers, outlets, radio occasionally etc. Your friends dont make up the whole bay area Kense....

Sunday, are your friends journalists and radiohosts?

look at these fans at the gane against the Rams....

http://www.sacbee.com/sports/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/article52854075.html

going crazy for Kaepernick... Don't they know that Kap will be gone and those signed autographs won't be worth s**t?

again not everyone still believes in Kaepernick or likes the guy...but I think members of the Zone try to give off the wrong impression. Heck on other 9er boards, it's not like how it is here.

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by SundayTicket:

Originally posted by Kense:

Originally posted by SundayTicket:
What would you expect the board to do if he started doing good again? Damnnn bro make up your mind lol.

If Kap does good again like he did in prior seasons, the entire board will shut up and u SHOULD be happy about it. I dont think theres nothing more than a majority of the people here would like, than to see Kaepernick turn it around and light this place up and carry our team. But from my stand point hes only been regressing since the end of 2013 and i dont expect it, nor am I willing to waste more time on him. Ive learned my lesson on that. If we want to use Gab or Kap as a stop gap so be it.

I think for both sides of this argument, ideally we keep kap, and we draft a QB round 1. Let Kap battle it out for the people who still thinks hes got it, and also gives us fans who do not think he has it anymore, something to look forward to in case we are right.

The reason alot of people outside of this forum want Kap gone is because of his regression and the $$$cap hit we get from him, at least thats what ive come to understand from the outside webzone world.

Outside of this Forum? Do you live in the Bay Area? Nobody here wants him gone. They gave him an ovation when he came back into the game this year. So what do you mean outside this forum?

Yes i live in the Bay area. Yes i work in the Bay area. I read newspapers, outlets, radio occasionally etc. Your friends dont make up the whole bay area Kense....

Sunday, are your friends journalists and radiohosts?

look at these fans at the gane against the Rams....

http://www.sacbee.com/sports/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/article52854075.html

going crazy for Kaepernick... Don't they know that Kap will be gone and those signed autographs won't be worth s**t?

again not everyone still believes in Kaepernick or likes the guy...but I think members of the Zone try to give off the wrong impression. Heck on other 9er boards, it's not like how it is here.

Lol @ radiohosts.I 100% dont doubt that there are still a good amount of people here that want Kaepernick to stay and are still all about the guy. It pretty much reminds me of what happened with A.Smith. Theres still going to be a good amount of fans. I go to the games rarely, I still see people repping their Kaepernick jerseys. I also see alot of people there dissing Kaepernick.

Im just pointing out to Kenses sentence of "nobody here wants him gone" being incorrect when referring to the Bay Area.

Oh and i hope my post doenst imply that i have friends for radio's/tv' etc.. I dont lol. was referring to Kense probably having a group of friends who love Kap and then think that makes up the whole bay area's idea on Kap. lol

Originally posted by Afrikan:
Sunday, are your friends journalists and radiohosts?

look at these fans at the gane against the Rams....

http://www.sacbee.com/sports/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/article52854075.html

going crazy for Kaepernick... Don't they know that Kap will be gone and those signed autographs won't be worth s**t?

again not everyone still believes in Kaepernick or likes the guy...but I think members of the Zone try to give off the wrong impression. Heck on other 9er boards, it's not like how it is here.

Don't think or believe his die hard fans are very knowledgeable about football in general, NFL as a whole, NFL history, and NFL as a business and most of them are young, below the age of 30.

Originally posted by JoeMoKnows:

Originally posted by Afrikan:
Sunday, are your friends journalists and radiohosts?

look at these fans at the gane against the Rams....

http://www.sacbee.com/sports/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/article52854075.html

going crazy for Kaepernick... Don't they know that Kap will be gone and those signed autographs won't be worth s**t?

again not everyone still believes in Kaepernick or likes the guy...but I think members of the Zone try to give off the wrong impression. Heck on other 9er boards, it's not like how it is here.

Don't think or believe his die hard fans are very knowledgeable about football in general, NFL as a whole, NFL history, and NFL as a business and most of them are young, below the age of 30.

I think they used to glaringly show that when they would make statistical comparisons 25 or more years apart when trying to call him elite and compare him to Steve Young and Montana. Also they were saying modern QBs were way better than their distant predecessors because of statistics. True that most football shows don't explain the evolution of the rules to favor passing, but they have been explained here hundreds of times.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Kense:

Originally posted by dj43:
I'm not ready to give up on Kaepernick yet either, but his performance in the first 8 games of the season was far below what Gabbert did in the final 8 games. My best hope for him is that another team will take on the project and give us a draft pick or two. Right now I would be delighted with a 3rd, but I'm not holding my breath.

Kaepernick's NFL QB rating for the past 4 years:

2012 - 98

2013 - 91

2014 - 86

2015 - 78

There is a pattern here that did not just start this season.

Blindfury - PFF grades for 2014 are no longer available but I am sure they would show the same pattern as the NFL rating.

You all keep posting that BS while ignoring what was happening with the Team overall, Injuries, front office distractions come into play with the fall off in 2014 and 2015 and 2014 wasn't bad either.

OK. You want to ignore the evidence. Let me put those numbers in perspective.

2012 - A rating of 98 put him in the slightly above average category. There were 9 other QBs with a higher rating. He certainly looked promising. In 2015, Matthew Stafford has a similar rating. Good, but certainly not great.

2013 - 91 has him #10 in the middle of a closely grouped cluster of others but with a drop off in overall efficiency. Still playing with a solid OL. By 2015 standards that puts him at the same level as Luke McCown.

2014 - 86 drops him to #24. By 2015 = Sam Bradford whom the Eagles are reported to be wanting to replace. Still a good OL although the distractions do come into play.

2015 - 76 = Matt Schaub who is looking for work.

I just don't see how anyone can consider him starting grade after seeing this decline in all levels of his performance.

What I see here is a guy who is starting grade, but not a franchise player. If you have the cap space and talent to surround him with the guys we had in 12,13 he is more than good enough to play at a high level. But if the talent around him slides he isn't good enough to make your team succeed despite that. He isn't elite, but he isn't bad either. For some reason though on these board he has to be one or the other or someone will chew your head off.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Swampstar:
The market will decide Kap's value. If he is a worthless as some suggest he will be out of the NFL next year. The 64 head coaches/general managers will evaluate how Kap has performed under pressure and fundamentals won't be ignored. It's hard to imagine giving up a high draft choice and a substantial salary after his recent performance. A possible scenario would be as a replacement if a team loses a quarterback to injury in the middle of the season. The guy does have that "dazzle factor" but the league seems to have adjusted forcing Kap into a more traditional role which he hasn't been able to master. Hopefully Kap will bounce back but to suggest he has been poorly coached after a lifetime of football defies logic. When the pressure is on he reverts to what he knows made him a star at Reno. Giving up anything substantial for Kap would appear risky and the NFL owners et. al. are not likely to jump for a guy who was demoted from one of the worst teams in football.

According to all the pundits, between Harbaugh the Great and Kurt Warner, it is hard to make a case that he hasn't had quality coaching. Warner went public with his disappointment that all the mechanical stuff they worked on during the off-season in Arizona fell apart once the season started.

He just doesn't appear to have the requisite football IQ for the position. Nice kid. Great backstory. Just hasn't shown what it takes to play NFL-grade QB.

That is just a ridiculous. Kap has already shown he has what it takes to play NFL-grade QB. And at a very high level I might add. He did it for two years, you're just choosing to ignore it. Of course newly taught mechanics went out the window when you have a offensive line like a sieve and an OC who cant scheme a WR open. Its hard to set your feet when you have very little time to throw. If anything, Kap went back to the only other thing that could help him buy time, HIS LEGS. Gabbert on the other hand just decided to check down almost immediately after a couple of games getting lit up.

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Swampstar:
The market will decide Kap's value. If he is a worthless as some suggest he will be out of the NFL next year. The 64 head coaches/general managers will evaluate how Kap has performed under pressure and fundamentals won't be ignored. It's hard to imagine giving up a high draft choice and a substantial salary after his recent performance. A possible scenario would be as a replacement if a team loses a quarterback to injury in the middle of the season. The guy does have that "dazzle factor" but the league seems to have adjusted forcing Kap into a more traditional role which he hasn't been able to master. Hopefully Kap will bounce back but to suggest he has been poorly coached after a lifetime of football defies logic. When the pressure is on he reverts to what he knows made him a star at Reno. Giving up anything substantial for Kap would appear risky and the NFL owners et. al. are not likely to jump for a guy who was demoted from one of the worst teams in football.

According to all the pundits, between Harbaugh the Great and Kurt Warner, it is hard to make a case that he hasn't had quality coaching. Warner went public with his disappointment that all the mechanical stuff they worked on during the off-season in Arizona fell apart once the season started.

He just doesn't appear to have the requisite football IQ for the position. Nice kid. Great backstory. Just hasn't shown what it takes to play NFL-grade QB.

That is just a ridiculous. Kap has already shown he has what it takes to play NFL-grade QB. And at a very high level I might add. He did it for two years, you're just choosing to ignore it. Of course newly taught mechanics went out the window when you have a offensive line like a sieve and an OC who cant scheme a WR open. Its hard to set your feet when you have very little time to throw. If anything, Kap went back to the only other thing that could help him buy time, HIS LEGS. Gabbert on the other hand just decided to check down almost immediately after a couple of games getting lit up.

Mah dude.

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Swampstar:
The market will decide Kap's value. If he is a worthless as some suggest he will be out of the NFL next year. The 64 head coaches/general managers will evaluate how Kap has performed under pressure and fundamentals won't be ignored. It's hard to imagine giving up a high draft choice and a substantial salary after his recent performance. A possible scenario would be as a replacement if a team loses a quarterback to injury in the middle of the season. The guy does have that "dazzle factor" but the league seems to have adjusted forcing Kap into a more traditional role which he hasn't been able to master. Hopefully Kap will bounce back but to suggest he has been poorly coached after a lifetime of football defies logic. When the pressure is on he reverts to what he knows made him a star at Reno. Giving up anything substantial for Kap would appear risky and the NFL owners et. al. are not likely to jump for a guy who was demoted from one of the worst teams in football.

According to all the pundits, between Harbaugh the Great and Kurt Warner, it is hard to make a case that he hasn't had quality coaching. Warner went public with his disappointment that all the mechanical stuff they worked on during the off-season in Arizona fell apart once the season started.

He just doesn't appear to have the requisite football IQ for the position. Nice kid. Great backstory. Just hasn't shown what it takes to play NFL-grade QB.

That is just a ridiculous. Kap has already shown he has what it takes to play NFL-grade QB. And at a very high level I might add. He did it for two years, you're just choosing to ignore it. Of course newly taught mechanics went out the window when you have a offensive line like a sieve and an OC who cant scheme a WR open. Its hard to set your feet when you have very little time to throw. If anything, Kap went back to the only other thing that could help him buy time, HIS LEGS. Gabbert on the other hand just decided to check down almost immediately after a couple of games getting lit up.

When you say "newly taught mechanics" you are assuming Harbaugh never taught him any of that stuff. We don't know whether he did or not but Harbaugh came with a reputation for being a quarterback whisperer so we should assume he did. (Personally I think JH was over-rated in that regard but that is up to others to decide.) We do know that Kaepernick himself chose to go to Warner for a "refresher course." Now, a good QB would maintain those mechanics even under pressure. One lacking in ability/focus will not. Warner did express disappointment that CK did not demonstrate much of what they had spent 12 weeks learning.

Now if my boss sent me to a special school to learn how to run some new software the company just bought in order to make us competitive in the market, and I came back from those 12 weeks and failed to execute what I had learned, I should not be disappointed if I was replaced. I can't use the fact I was moved to another office on the shady side of the building, or that my chair was too soft or my desk only had two drawers. I was tasked with learning and demonstrating a skill and I didn't. I'm replaced. Same goes for Kaepernick.

All that blah, blah, blah having been said. I lay the majority of the blame for the low levels of performance of both Kaepernick and Gabbert on the coaches. For the most part, QBs do, or try to do, what the coaches tell them to do. I blame Chryst and Roman before him for much of the problems. That is why I am OK if CK stays and competes for a job if the new HC wants him.

I have a headache....

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Swampstar:
The market will decide Kap's value. If he is a worthless as some suggest he will be out of the NFL next year. The 64 head coaches/general managers will evaluate how Kap has performed under pressure and fundamentals won't be ignored. It's hard to imagine giving up a high draft choice and a substantial salary after his recent performance. A possible scenario would be as a replacement if a team loses a quarterback to injury in the middle of the season. The guy does have that "dazzle factor" but the league seems to have adjusted forcing Kap into a more traditional role which he hasn't been able to master. Hopefully Kap will bounce back but to suggest he has been poorly coached after a lifetime of football defies logic. When the pressure is on he reverts to what he knows made him a star at Reno. Giving up anything substantial for Kap would appear risky and the NFL owners et. al. are not likely to jump for a guy who was demoted from one of the worst teams in football.

According to all the pundits, between Harbaugh the Great and Kurt Warner, it is hard to make a case that he hasn't had quality coaching. Warner went public with his disappointment that all the mechanical stuff they worked on during the off-season in Arizona fell apart once the season started.

He just doesn't appear to have the requisite football IQ for the position. Nice kid. Great backstory. Just hasn't shown what it takes to play NFL-grade QB.

That is just a ridiculous. Kap has already shown he has what it takes to play NFL-grade QB. And at a very high level I might add. He did it for two years, you're just choosing to ignore it. Of course newly taught mechanics went out the window when you have a offensive line like a sieve and an OC who cant scheme a WR open. Its hard to set your feet when you have very little time to throw. If anything, Kap went back to the only other thing that could help him buy time, HIS LEGS. Gabbert on the other hand just decided to check down almost immediately after a couple of games getting lit up.

When you say "newly taught mechanics" you are assuming Harbaugh never taught him any of that stuff. We don't know whether he did or not but Harbaugh came with a reputation for being a quarterback whisperer so we should assume he did. (Personally I think JH was over-rated in that regard but that is up to others to decide.) We do know that Kaepernick himself chose to go to Warner for a "refresher course." Now, a good QB would maintain those mechanics even under pressure. One lacking in ability/focus will not. Warner did express disappointment that CK did not demonstrate much of what they had spent 12 weeks learning.

Now if my boss sent me to a special school to learn how to run some new software the company just bought in order to make us competitive in the market, and I came back from those 12 weeks and failed to execute what I had learned, I should not be disappointed if I was replaced. I can't use the fact I was moved to another office on the shady side of the building, or that my chair was too soft or my desk only had two drawers. I was tasked with learning and demonstrating a skill and I didn't. I'm replaced. Same goes for Kaepernick.

All that blah, blah, blah having been said. I lay the majority of the blame for the low levels of performance of both Kaepernick and Gabbert on the coaches. For the most part, QBs do, or try to do, what the coaches tell them to do. I blame Chryst and Roman before him for much of the problems. That is why I am OK if CK stays and competes for a job if the new HC wants him.

I have a headache....

I read what you wrote. We just disagree and see things completly different. For the record, I'm not saying Kap is without his flaws, I just think with a good to decent coaching staff, he's a franchise caliber QB.

Mindi Bach ‏@MBachCSN 1m1 minute ago
Per source: #49ers Colin Kaepernick will undergo surgery to repair a torn ligament in his right hand tomorrow morning.

Originally posted by NorthBay49er:

Mindi Bach ‏@MBachCSN 1m1 minute ago
Per source: #49ers Colin Kaepernick will undergo surgery to repair a torn ligament in his right hand tomorrow morning.

I guess they waited until the left shoulder got a little better before taking the right hand out of commission. Any word on recovery time? I wonder if he will be able to pass a physical fora trade or release?