Colin Kaepernick Thread

Originally posted by dj43:
Just hasn't shown what it takes to play NFL-grade QB.

What do you mean he hasn't shown it. Some of you have mental block. Did you just forget everything he's done prior to this year.

His upside is a Myth. Gabberts Upside is a Myth he hasn't done anything to deserve any more chance than Kaepernick.

Originally posted by 49ers81:
he has a cannon that he can't hit anything unless the guy is wide open and running free behind the defense and even then it is an iffy proposition and he has demonstrated very little touch on the shorter routes and while his straight line speed is impressive it has proven to be almost useless when it comes to moving around in the pocket because his stride is too long to be effective is small areas. His upside is a myth, it was the thing that Harbaugh chased after and could never develop and it is the carrot that will probably entice some new coach into believing that he can "fix" what his wrong with his game so the team will waste another year going down a road it has already travelled with a player who simply isn't good enough to get it done. I'm not saying I'm sold on Gabbert by any means but in his eight starts I saw more tangible potential in him than I have seen in 3 1/2 years with Kaepernick. During the course of the games he played this year Gabbert made some absolutely wicked throws that Kaepernick could only dream about. I think he also showed more functionality in the pocket avoiding the rush and extending plays and when he did run it was usually to good effect. I would much rather see him starting next year than Kaepernick simply because I think he's a better player.

Originally posted by NikeSBHead:
From what I've seen of Gabbert, is that at his very best he matches Kap at his worst hahah

I'm not ready to give up on Kap, and I doubt the new HC will too.

I'm not ready to give up on Kaepernick yet either, but his performance in the first 8 games of the season was far below what Gabbert did in the final 8 games. My best hope for him is that another team will take on the project and give us a draft pick or two. Right now I would be delighted with a 3rd, but I'm not holding my breath.

Kaepernick's NFL QB rating for the past 4 years:

2012 - 98

2013 - 91

2014 - 86

2015 - 78

There is a pattern here that did not just start this season.

Blindfury - PFF grades for 2014 are no longer available but I am sure they would show the same pattern as the NFL rating.

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Seriously! This screen shot is so over used. By this time in the season, Kap was completely shell shocked and for all the reasons you mentioned, did not notice the open WR. He's probably thinking, "oh crap, I sure hope Martin doesn't get rag dolled by Donald Pen... " Aside from that, it was just a bad play for Kap, but that just tells me he had way too much going on in his head.

Ever played football? That play told me he was trying to find someone to blame other than himself on why the season was going like it was IMO. Everyone has their own opinions but thats mine.

As a professional Quarterback and supposedly one of the top 32 in the World, you dont just make a play like this, it just doesnt happen.. This is what I think Kaepernick was thinking in his head

"Its been a stupid long season, Im getting blamed for this and that, I know this running play is about to get demolished, I could audible out, but Im going to run the play the coaches want, that way the entire fan base can blame them for running it on the 2 with the box stacked rather than throwing it."

Kaepernick knew that Run was going to get blown the F*ck up, he just didnt care, and wanted to shift the blame from the passing attack to our run game. "hey look guys see its our run game that sucks". It backfired on him badly..

Now thats my take on what he was probably thinking when that play started to unfold. Its logically possible, its also likely that this wasnt what he was thinking. But i could DEFINITLY see someone in his shoes absorbing this type of mentality at this point in the season and pretty much saying F*ck it imma just try to show everyone how bad X Y and Z are.

I think Kaep already had an idea he will be benched for Gabbert the next week against the Falcons. The coach had mentioned that they were going to get Gabbert ready but delayed it another week. Gabbert was supposed to play against the Rams. Kaep mentally checked out in the Rams game. Instead of fighting for it with his performance, he went on mental autopilot.

Originally posted by Kense:

Originally posted by dj43:

Just hasn't shown what it takes to play NFL-grade QB.

What do you mean he hasn't shown it. Some of you have mental block. Did you just forget everything he's done prior to this year.

Originally posted by dj43:
I'm not ready to give up on Kaepernick yet either, but his performance in the first 8 games of the season was far below what Gabbert did in the final 8 games. My best hope for him is that another team will take on the project and give us a draft pick or two. Right now I would be delighted with a 3rd, but I'm not holding my breath.

Kaepernick's NFL QB rating for the past 4 years:

2012 - 98

2013 - 91

2014 - 86

2015 - 78

There is a pattern here that did not just start this season.

Blindfury - PFF grades for 2014 are no longer available but I am sure they would show the same pattern as the NFL rating.

You all keep posting that BS while ignoring what was happening with the Team overall, Injuries, front office distractions come into play with the fall off in 2014 and 2015 and 2014 wasn't bad either.

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Yup. lol

Originally posted by Kense:

Originally posted by dj43:

I'm not ready to give up on Kaepernick yet either, but his performance in the first 8 games of the season was far below what Gabbert did in the final 8 games. My best hope for him is that another team will take on the project and give us a draft pick or two. Right now I would be delighted with a 3rd, but I'm not holding my breath.

Kaepernick's NFL QB rating for the past 4 years:

2012 - 98

2013 - 91

2014 - 86

2015 - 78

There is a pattern here that did not just start this season.

Blindfury - PFF grades for 2014 are no longer available but I am sure they would show the same pattern as the NFL rating.

You all keep posting that BS while ignoring what was happening with the Team overall, Injuries, front office distractions come into play with the fall off in 2014 and 2015 and 2014 wasn't bad either.

I can detail the increasing level of s**tty pass protection in each of those years to help the less informed fan review these numbers within context.

Originally posted by JoeMoKnows:

Originally posted by sacniner:
Kap was embarrassingly bad last year. The blind defending of his play is a joke. That said, he is the best option going into next year. Please don't start the year with Blaine. God no.

I don't think we are going to draft Goff. That is the only way I could put up with backup Blaine. Since we aren't getting Goff, give a real coach a shot at reviving Kap. After that, no excuses.

Actually a lot of the draft sites are saying 9ers will/should draft Goff so....

In order for that to happen, Goff would have to get past Cleveland and Dallas, and likely the Chargers who need to start developing a replacement for Rivers.

I don't see him falling past Cleveland. Also, there may be other teams trading up for a QB. Those teams will want to move past SF.

Frankly, I don't see Goff as a franchise QB anyway. He is only the best of a mediocre class.

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Sorry to derail, but Ken Dorsey threw 249 yards against a Seattle team that went to the Super Bowl that year.

Sorry I figured the Gabbert threw 264 yards @ Seattle was used up already.

They were nowhere near the quality of defense that Seattle has now. In 2013 that Seattle defense was being favourably compared with the 85 bears. The 2005 defense was ranked 7th in the league compared to the 1st ranked defence we've seen the last couple of seasons.

They don't want to hear that. Only Gabbert gets line excuses

Originally posted by Geeked:
I can detail the increasing level of s**tty pass protection in each of those years to help the less informed fan review these numbers within context.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by NikeSBHead:
From what I've seen of Gabbert, is that at his very best he matches Kap at his worst hahah

I'm not ready to give up on Kap, and I doubt the new HC will too.

I'm not ready to give up on Kaepernick yet either, but his performance in the first 8 games of the season was far below what Gabbert did in the final 8 games. My best hope for him is that another team will take on the project and give us a draft pick or two. Right now I would be delighted with a 3rd, but I'm not holding my breath.

Kaepernick's NFL QB rating for the past 4 years:

2012 - 98

2013 - 91

2014 - 86

2015 - 78

There is a pattern here that did not just start this season.

Blindfury - PFF grades for 2014 are no longer available but I am sure they would show the same pattern as the NFL rating.

That proves nothing to the Kaepernick lovers, their excuses just mount as he sucks more. What makes it even worse is the NFL still is progressively calling games to favor the passing attack DBs don't even get away in 2015 with what they did in 2014, 2013, etc. Roughing the passer calls are also easier to get now than in 2014,2013. Even without improved play a QBs numbers should go up. All this and Kap goes down and down.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by sacniner:
What's up English.

Kap's talent level and package is insane in a good way. He has a cannon with WR speed. That is always tantalizing. We've seen him have success. Blaine has never had consistent success in the NFL. He had a great game this year against ATL and played poorly for the most part after. He made a few plays, but wasn't consistent. I guess he played better than Kap, but that isn't saying anything. Kap was literally non functional as he had a mental breakdown essentially.

I think Kap's ceiling is much higher. Maybe a great coach can harness that. The NFL films guru (love his work because it's unbiased) Cossell says that Gabbert feels pressure way too quickly and moves out of the pocket too soon (leaves a lot of throws on the field). He also is too conservative. Therefore, sounds like he has issues upstairs like Kap does. If they both have mental breakdowns, and need major resurrecting, I would rather go with a guy who has an insane talent level.

Blaine is still a quality backup. I think his conservative demeanor can bode well as a backup where he will make less mistakes and not "lose the game for you." As we all know, having good backups is invaluable.

Don't understand this. Seems Gabbert was much more patient in the pocket than Kaepernick.

Yeah, maybe more patient than Kap was last year, but what does that really mean? Cossell wasn't comparing him to Kap. Was talking in general, relative to an NFL level.

Originally posted by Kense:

They don't want to hear that. Only Gabbert gets line excuses

Originally posted by Geeked:

I can detail the increasing level of s**tty pass protection in each of those years to help the less informed fan review these numbers within context.

Seems to be the case with this lot.

Confirmation bias is their definition of reasoning.


Oh, and they actually broke up team Quarterback Killer in Gabbert's second start!!